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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 764

UItimaterializer | Posted 12/15/2009 2:26:09 PM | message detail
WE FINALLY HAVE 1V1S AGAIN THANK YOU BACON


~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Solid Snake, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Tifa, Vincent, Zelda, Kirby, etc group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters in the past.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 12/15/2009 2:26:51 PM | message detail
Knuckles > Sonic.

rSFF!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2009 2:27:07 PM | message detail
Squall + WCC sitting in a tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G
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paulg235 | Posted 12/15/2009 2:27:22 PM | message detail
PRAISE HOJO- um... BACON!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 3:30:28 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #497
You know as awesome as people think Duke is he's only just above the fodder line.


as should charizard be
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2009 3:30:36 PM | message detail
ZackFAQs > Mega Man
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/15/2009 3:31:01 PM | message detail
Silent Cloud > Link
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Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes.
voltch | Posted 12/15/2009 3:31:31 PM | message detail
confirm/deny: The winning bracket will win by less than 10 points.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/15/2009 3:31:51 PM | message detail
There's no law that states Pikachu has to be the strongest Pokemon.

Well although this may be true, Pikachu has been in Smash since the beginning, and has a much larger 'iconic status' than Charizard could hope for. Charizard is an icon for RBY, but Pikachu is an icon period.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/15/2009 3:31:56 PM | message detail
Just noticed Red got more nominations than Charizard. I guess people nominating a full list of SSB characters couldn't fit him in between Olimar and Lucas.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/15/2009 3:32:14 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #009
There's no law that states Pikachu has to be the strongest Pokemon.

Well although this may be true, Pikachu has been in Smash since the beginning, and has a much larger 'iconic status' than Charizard could hope for. Charizard is an icon for RBY, but Pikachu is an icon period.


Icon for RBY>Icon for Pokemon in general

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Psycho_Kenshin | Posted 12/15/2009 3:32:49 PM | message detail
Duke over Charizard, I always bet on Duuuuuke.

Kratos over Tails of course.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 3:33:03 PM | message detail
i need to see charizard in action before i will believe he is any stronger then jigglypuff, since hes got all the same credientials she has. well, actually less. she's at least been in smash since the beginning
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/15/2009 3:33:50 PM | message detail
I'll say this about Jigglypuff, and as a huge Pokemon fan: she was destined to bomb. Ask around, not many people actually like her.

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FFDragon | Posted 12/15/2009 3:33:52 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 12/15/2009 6:32:14 PM | #011
Icon for RBY>Icon for Pokemon in general


Yes, but you do remember who was on the box and following you around in the Y of RBY, yes?
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Mr3790 | Posted 12/15/2009 3:33:54 PM | message detail
Just noticed the bracket. Crono is underseeded this time around...
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 3:34:18 PM | message detail
you know whats kinda funny though? with all the nominations from b8 for charizard, RATCHET still out nommed him

did he get any noms outside of b8 or something
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voltch | Posted 12/15/2009 3:34:25 PM | message detail
Red will beat ocelot down so hard no amount of nanomachines will be able to solve his problems.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/15/2009 3:34:26 PM | message detail
This may no longer be true. The first few hours get as many votes as they do because they are the first hours of the match. Turn noon- 1PM into the first hour of a match, and it will probably outdraw a midnight - 1AM starting hour.

Hmm, you may be right on that, but guess we'll have to wait about a month to see.
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Xuxon | Posted 12/15/2009 3:34:36 PM | message detail
Crono is always underseeded.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/15/2009 3:34:44 PM | message detail
as should charizard be

As long as people don't think Duke is some kind of powerhouse is fine by me.

I still consider the match to be close.
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Seginustemple | Posted 12/15/2009 3:34:53 PM | message detail
Coincidentally, I just recently saw the movie that Duke got his bubblegum quote from, and it was bad as hell.

Always bet on Duke.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 12/15/2009 3:35:10 PM | message detail
From: Seginustemple | #486
Not sure I'd take Charizard that close to Mewtwo though. He's the FACE of R/B/Y just as much as Blastoise is from what I can tell.

No. Just... no.

This about as wrong with Pokémon as you can get. Mewtwo was only catchable after the Elite-Four in a cave that didn't tell you where it was. 1/3rd of all players had a Charizard by the end of the game, it was THE card, it was the most loved character in the TV series.

NOTHING comes close to Charizard in the series.

Pikachu gets anti-votes and isnt anywhere near as popular in the games.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 3:35:18 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #014
I'll say this about Jigglypuff, and as a huge Pokemon fan: she was destined to bomb. Ask around, not many people actually like her.


well i've never played pokemon outside of gold and silver for a couple hours so I don't know the difference between all these pokemon. the only thing i see charizard going for him is hes a dragon and people like dragons

though that dosent really help ridley
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 12/15/2009 3:35:57 PM | message detail
i need to see charizard in action before i will believe he is any stronger then jigglypuff,

If you think Charizard is anywhere near Jigglypuff in terms of strength, you know nothing about the Pokemon fanbase.
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voltch | Posted 12/15/2009 3:36:06 PM | message detail
contest starts, mid january, when will the god of war III hype train begin?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/15/2009 3:36:55 PM | message detail
1/3rd of all players had a Charizard by the end of the game,

Probably half. 2/5 picked Blastoise and...poor Venasaur.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 12/15/2009 3:37:03 PM | message detail
Icon for RBY>Icon for Pokemon in general

No, I don't mean icon for Pokemon in general. I mean gaming icon.

In other words, I'm saying Pikachu is Charizard's ceiling.
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Seginustemple | Posted 12/15/2009 3:37:06 PM | message detail
1/3rd of all players had a Charizard by the end of the game

Uh, EVERYONE had Mewtwo by the end of the game. Everyone who visits gamefaqs.com, at least.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/15/2009 3:37:26 PM | message detail
contest starts, mid january, when will the god of war III hype train begin?

Kratos > Sora?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 3:37:51 PM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #025
i need to see charizard in action before i will believe he is any stronger then jigglypuff,

If you think Charizard is anywhere near Jigglypuff in terms of strength, you know nothing about the Pokemon fanbase.


i admit i dont. I never followed it or watched any of the shows or played any of the games outside of gold when my friend in high school let me play his. but im just basing it on that if someone took a massive nomination rally to get in and still got less nominations then a turbo fodder character like ratchet, he cant be that strong
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General_Zimbad | Posted 12/15/2009 3:37:59 PM | message detail
well i've never played pokemon outside of gold and silver for a couple hours so I don't know the difference between all these pokemon. the only thing i see charizard going for him is hes a dragon and people like dragons

though that dosent really help ridley



^ Charizard is probably the most highly loved pokemon tbh, though I'm still not sure if he's that strong.
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voltch | Posted 12/15/2009 3:38:19 PM | message detail
EVERYONE had a butterfree and a pigeotto too, no flying pokes even though they are essential in the games?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/15/2009 3:38:32 PM | message detail
What's the difference?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2442

RBY>Pokemon as a whole.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2009 3:38:42 PM | message detail
I was glad to see Zack got more nominations than Cid, Aerith, Tifa, and Vincent. Looks like he's going to be a contest regular now.
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Seginustemple | Posted 12/15/2009 3:38:49 PM | message detail
And if we're going off of card/show/ popularity then I want to see a god damn Alakazam in the contests because every kid I ever talked to had a boner for that guy
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/15/2009 3:39:13 PM | message detail
Hell yeah Alakazam
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voltch | Posted 12/15/2009 3:40:07 PM | message detail
Machamp 1st edition, man everyone had one of those.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 12/15/2009 3:40:41 PM | message detail
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #031
i admit i dont. I never followed it or watched any of the shows or played any of the games outside of gold when my friend in high school let me play his. but im just basing it on that if someone took a massive nomination rally to get in and still got less nominations then a turbo fodder character like ratchet, he cant be that strong

You did notice Charizard getting a higher seed than Vincent right? Seeds mean **** all for strength.
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General_Zimbad | Posted 12/15/2009 3:40:53 PM | message detail
Alakazam in the contests because every kid I ever talked to had a boner for that guy

^ True, everyone had him in the games. He was so over powered.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2009 3:41:02 PM | message detail
I remember thinking that kids who collected Pokemon cards were losers.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 3:41:19 PM | message detail

From: nintendogirl1 | #039
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #031
i admit i dont. I never followed it or watched any of the shows or played any of the games outside of gold when my friend in high school let me play his. but im just basing it on that if someone took a massive nomination rally to get in and still got less nominations then a turbo fodder character like ratchet, he cant be that strong

You did notice Charizard getting a higher seed than Vincent right? Seeds mean **** all for strength.


oh wow he got more noms then a secret character
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Seginustemple | Posted 12/15/2009 3:41:22 PM | message detail
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/15/2009 3:41:34 PM | message detail
Charizard is at about Mewtwo level in popularity, while the hardcore Pokemon fans may rank Pikachu lower, those are in the minority compare to overall.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/15/2009 3:41:36 PM | message detail
Oh dear, I completely forgot about GoWIII.

If the contests start in mid-January, Kratos/Charizard will go down in late February. GoWIII hits in March. Talk about cutting it close.
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voltch | Posted 12/15/2009 3:41:38 PM | message detail
crono and megaman's constant underseeding should be proof, just like MC's regular overseeding.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/15/2009 3:42:45 PM | message detail
I don't like this Crono underseeding. Only a 4 seed in a 128 character bracket? That means at least 24 characters got more nominations than he did. If I win the guru contest this year, you're all nominating Crono.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 12/15/2009 3:42:53 PM | message detail
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #042
oh wow he got more noms then a secret character

From: Wy WorldIsCrono | #031
still got less nominations then a turbo fodder character like ratchet, he cant be that strong
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xp1337 | Posted 12/15/2009 3:43:10 PM | message detail
From: charmander6000 | #030
contest starts, mid january, when will the god of war III hype train begin?

Kratos > Sora?


Speaking of releases. Wouldn't this contest end around Mid March or something? Wouldn't that be about a week or two after FFXIII? Could that give Cloud any kind of semi-boost against Link? ...Would it even matter given how dominant Link is?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2009 3:43:14 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #047
I don't like this Crono underseeding. Only a 4 seed in a 128 character bracket? That means at least 24 characters got more nominations than he did. If I win the guru contest this year, you're all nominating Crono.


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