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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 762

Ngamer64 | Posted 12/14/2009 11:27:52 PM | message detail
Eh, I don't like wasting Samus against Link. How about this instead?

Link
Sora
Cloud
Sonic

Mario
Sephiroth
Snake
Samus

First Snake has to prove he can reverse that '06 decision against Samus- if so he earns his right to shoot for the moon against Seph. Mario's match is still pretty dull, but ah well, it's not like Seph against Sonic/Sora/MM/Crono would be any more interesting.

OR should we instead set that up as

Sephiroth
Samus
Mario
Snake

I'm not as high on Snake as many others, but if he COULD rally past Mario for a tight win you'd have to love his momentum heading into that battle with Seph. Can't really picture a Samus upset before then, but ah well, better than having Cloud knock over Seph like a tin can one more time.

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ZFS | Posted 12/14/2009 11:43:37 PM | message detail
Why do we have Sora in the final eight?

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Agent M | Posted 12/15/2009 12:00:04 AM | message detail
What about....

Sonic
Sora
Sephiroth
Samus

Snake
Mario
Link
Cloud

None of the initial matches would be total blowouts, and there's some upset potential.

It would probably end up with Seph/Sonic and Link/Mario, then Link/Seph. None of those matches being too much fun. But 4/7 matches being in the realm of debatable is good enough for me.

Btw that's a lot of chars who's name starts with 'S'






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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 12:07:16 AM | message detail

From: ZFS | #402
Why do we have Sora in the final eight?


more votes
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 12/15/2009 12:12:27 AM | message detail
*more nominations

There are a couple characters who could end up in his division who would get more votes.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 12:13:18 AM | message detail
a crono vs sora match would be fun

just for that asv
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KingBartz | Posted 12/15/2009 12:45:09 AM | message detail
I came home tonight expecting the damn bracket. I was wrong.
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General_Zimbad | Posted 12/15/2009 12:57:59 AM | message detail
I wish the bracket was up already!
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Lopen | Posted 12/15/2009 1:35:25 AM | message detail
I can't believe Sora was 1 seed material out of all the things

Seriously what the hell

Anyway do we have any word on format? You people seem to be implying it's going to be 1v1-- didn't Bacon say new format?
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 12/15/2009 1:45:35 AM | message detail
3 packs! omg
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 1:46:27 AM | message detail

From: Lopen | #409
I can't believe Sora was 1 seed material out of all the things

Seriously what the hell

Anyway do we have any word on format? You people seem to be implying it's going to be 1v1-- didn't Bacon say new format?


128 1v1 would technically be a new format
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 12/15/2009 1:51:02 AM | message detail
No it wouldn't, stop saying that
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 1:52:33 AM | message detail

From: The n00b Avenger | #412
No it wouldn't, stop saying that


yes it would

we havent had 128 1v1 before

so it would be a new format. It would require 7 rounds instead of 6, and take 2 months longer. if thats not enough to warrent "New format", I dont know what does
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 12/15/2009 1:57:57 AM | message detail
It's the same format made on a bigger scale. Not a new format
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 1:58:45 AM | message detail
oh I see, you don't consider adding rounds to the contest a change to the format

no point arguing then
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Lopen | Posted 12/15/2009 2:00:24 AM | message detail
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 2:01:29 AM | message detail
whatever. you guys are taking bacon too literal. all he's saying is it won't be something thats been done before, so anything that hasn't been done before is fair game
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 12/15/2009 2:12:57 AM | message detail
My bad, when he said it was going to be a new format I assumed he meant what he said and not something he didn't say
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 2:16:37 AM | message detail
Its an easy to make mistake so no biggy
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 12/15/2009 2:24:55 AM | message detail
1 vs 1 is a format. You can vary the size of the bracket, but it's still one format.


"For the people asking for 1 vs 1 128 game voting brackets, that's just absurd. A four month contest is the contest equivalent of priapism. It sounds great in theory, but in practice it's just really painful." ~SBAllen

I think it's fairly safe to say it's not going to be a 1 vs 1 128 character bracket unless you think SBAllen will completely change his position since we are dealing with characters and not games. If this contest really turns out to be a 1 vs 1 128 character deal, I think we should start worrying if we'll get anymore contests after it.
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UItimaterializer | Posted 12/15/2009 2:33:13 AM | message detail
I really think it'll be a tag team fourway.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 12/15/2009 2:35:53 AM | message detail
As in 256 characters? Even assuming 11 characters advance from the vote-in polls, that would mean Frog, Pac-Man and MMX failed to reach the top 190 in terms of nominations. It's hard to believe that.
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voltch | Posted 12/15/2009 2:44:31 AM | message detail
how about a format that includes 4 ways early on and then switches to 1 vs 1 later on in the contest?
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paulg235 | Posted 12/15/2009 2:49:30 AM | message detail
The more I look at the characters in the vote-ins (Raiden, Sub-Zero, Frog), The more I'm convinced that this contest couldn't have 128 entrants (let alone 256 Ulti). Unless you want me to think Layton and Kain were 8/9 seeds and Neku and KOS-MOS were 5/12 seeds, I don't believe it.
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Ultimaphazon | Posted 12/15/2009 2:50:44 AM | message detail
Calling it now:
It's going to be three-ways for the first round (winner only moves on), than 1v1 for the later rounds
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paulg235 | Posted 12/15/2009 2:52:54 AM | message detail
That wouldn't actually be a bad idea.
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KingBartz | Posted 12/15/2009 3:02:38 AM | message detail
3 way first round? would that make for a contest of 96? and same 63 days of matches.

now im interested, going to mock up a bracket.
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voltch | Posted 12/15/2009 3:20:25 AM | message detail
yeah, combined formats sound much better thantag teams which are easy to mess up.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/15/2009 4:32:38 AM | message detail
I don't see why we couldn't have a 128 1 on 1 contest. You can easily deal with the length problem by just having two matches a day. We've had polls when contests were on in the past so two polls at once is not too difficult, I think.
LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2009 7:17:38 AM | message detail
The only problem with two polls per day is that vote totals will likely suffer.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/15/2009 7:21:39 AM | message detail

From: Ngamer64 | #401
Eh, I don't like wasting Samus against Link. How about this instead?

Link
Sora
Cloud
Sonic

Mario
Sephiroth
Snake
Samus

First Snake has to prove he can reverse that '06 decision against Samus- if so he earns his right to shoot for the moon against Seph. Mario's match is still pretty dull, but ah well, it's not like Seph against Sonic/Sora/MM/Crono would be any more interesting.

OR should we instead set that up as

Sephiroth
Samus
Mario
Snake

I'm not as high on Snake as many others, but if he COULD rally past Mario for a tight win you'd have to love his momentum heading into that battle with Seph. Can't really picture a Samus upset before then, but ah well, better than having Cloud knock over Seph like a tin can one more time.


The problem is the only interesting match in the first one is Snake/Samus. Likewise, for the second one the only interesting one is Mario/Snake. Either way, you'd be better off switching Cloud and Sora to make things more interesting in favor of an early Link/Cloud match-up.

From: Agent M | #403
What about....

Sonic
Sora
Sephiroth
Samus

Snake
Mario
Link
Cloud

None of the initial matches would be total blowouts, and there's some upset potential.

It would probably end up with Seph/Sonic and Link/Mario, then Link/Seph. None of those matches being too much fun. But 4/7 matches being in the realm of debatable is good enough for me.

Btw that's a lot of chars who's name starts with 'S'


Decent, but I'd switch the bottom two of each just because Snake would have a better chance of upsetting Sephiroth instead of Link.

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Lightning Strikes | Posted 12/15/2009 8:05:54 AM | message detail
I doubt vote totals will suffer too much. All you need to do is make the polls both clearly visible and maybe make it possible to vote in both polls with a single button, and there, no problems. I guess that would require a little extra work but it's definitey possible.
ffmasterjose | Posted 12/15/2009 8:11:15 AM | message detail
Not to sound condescending towards our voter base, but they had trouble understanding that order matters when the 4 ways were introduced. We really want to uh...keep it simple for most :)
charmander6000 | Posted 12/15/2009 8:17:06 AM | message detail
Looking at how the site is built the second poll would have to be where the add is right under the current poll and even then the second poll will probably end up getting SC2k4 like vote totals.
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voltch | Posted 12/15/2009 8:29:31 AM | message detail
If you have adblock+ it doesn't sound too bad to have 2 poll but it the site otherwise does seem to have a lot of ads unless you block them. 4 month long contest don't seem all that hot to be honest, I can see a lot of us getting really bored if that happened. Especially if the bracket setup is wrong.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 9:05:07 AM | message detail
The only way I might be okay with tag teams is if its a 4 way poll and you see how many votes each character gets but it clearly states the teams and whoever has the most votes moves on. this way we can still see the strength of the characters. If its just plain tag team, horrible idea
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voltch | Posted 12/15/2009 9:07:41 AM | message detail
of the expected 2 seeds, who would you like to see go where?
I mean for number 2 seeds MC and the rest of the noble nine are probably second seeds and some near elites from the bigger franchises are probably there too.
Somehow i don't expect vincent to be a 2 seed just cos that game has so many characters the noms might be so split he ends up being like a 3rd seed.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/15/2009 9:20:21 AM | message detail
Well, how about they do plain 4-ways for the first round, and the top two move on, and then they are linked as a tag-team from that point on...?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 9:23:23 AM | message detail
well 4ways are at their best in the first round so that doesn't sound that bad
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/15/2009 9:31:58 AM | message detail
How about 4-ways for the first two rounds then 1v1 until the end?

Though round 3 will probably be useless.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 12/15/2009 9:38:31 AM | message detail

From: voltch | Posted: 12/15/2009 9:07:41 AM | #437
of the expected 2 seeds, who would you like to see go where?
I mean for number 2 seeds MC and the rest of the noble nine are probably second seeds and some near elites from the bigger franchises are probably there too.
Somehow i don't expect vincent to be a 2 seed just cos that game has so many characters the noms might be so split he ends up being like a 3rd seed.


Personally, I'd like to see Squall and Crono stuck on the Heart Division as 3 and 2 seeds, respectively (or vice versa, if Squall would face Sora there, thus giving us a match we already know the result of). Their showdown would probably be worthwhile to see, since Squall has a good enough day vote to heavily cut Crono, and all other voting blocks except the Power Hour are pretty even for them. Alternatively, stick him as the 2 seed in the Chaos division.

Then, Vincent should probably be put into the Gear division as an underseeded dark horse. Make Mega Man the 2 Seed, and set the two on a crash course on Round 3. Whoever wins would get the privilige of getting their faces stomped in by Snake.

The 2 seeds for the Midgar, Jenova, Hyrule, and Mushroom division are all fodder. No need to put much thought into them. MC and anyone else like him would work.

Finally, the Chaos division should probably pack Auron, Gordon (for the lulz, either could be the 2 seed), and Sonic should get a fodder-clearing path. The point of it is to see him crack, and doing so before Round 3 would be pretty meaningless.
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voltch | Posted 12/15/2009 9:43:57 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #431
How about 4-ways for the first two rounds then 1v1 until the end?


I was asking myself the same question, Bacon doesn't seem too into the contest compared to Cjay, I just can't see a long 1 vs 1 contest, so if he wants to keep mre than 64 characters there doesn't seem to be too many other options without becoming overly complicated. Though since gfaqs is the site that can't read rules properly on order, even that idea could be too hard for some people to understand.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 12/15/2009 9:45:31 AM | message detail
4ways for R1 and R2 flipping into 1v1s would be great, but you have to set it up so the opponents swap divisions before R3 starts. Which is probably too much work for SB to set up on the bracket entry page.

I agree that he's never going to go for a four month Contest, and I also agree that he'd called 2 polls a day too confusing.

3ways turning into 1v1s though, now that seems quite doable. 3ways are a terrible format in terms of deciding an entire bracket, but if they were just used to spice up the (normally somewhat dull) first round... that could work.

I'll redo my 128 to see how that would look with this mixed format.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/15/2009 9:47:36 AM | message detail
I guess 96 characters could make some sense. At least it probably would explain why we were seeing characters like Liquid Snake, Raiden and Mega Man X as fringe characters.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/15/2009 9:57:34 AM | message detail
Just put the two polls side-by-side above "Today on GameFAQs" and below the header. Screws with the layout a bit, but it's a fair way to do two simultaneous polls.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 9:58:08 AM | message detail
If they do that, It should force you to vote for both before it lets you submit it.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/15/2009 10:02:28 AM | message detail
That'd just cause an overall lower vote total.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 10:03:05 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #447
That'd just cause an overall lower vote total.


and?
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/15/2009 10:04:17 AM | message detail
That would be bad.

By lower I mean lower than the poll that gets less votes assuming the two polls are side by side.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/15/2009 10:06:27 AM | message detail
thats why I said that it would only let you submit the votes if you pick for both
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