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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 761

charmander6000 | Posted 12/11/2009 9:55:31 PM | message detail
No I think that's him being hopeful, though they were some of the most rallied characters on the board.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/11/2009 10:00:47 PM | message detail
It's not quite 12 way, but I don't think adding in FF12 will drop FF7 below 35%. Link is pretty beastly in terms of strength. He won't have the benefit of SFFing the 3rd and 4th strongest, but he gets another 5% to play with between 35% and 30%. I don't think it's unreasonably to think Link has a shot at 30%.

Well at least that poll settles that Link wouldn't be reaching high thirties with yesterday's field and unless Link is going to make an appearance tomorrow or if the format is 12-ways we may never know.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/11/2009 10:01:14 PM | message detail
and jade has passed lucas
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/11/2009 10:04:11 PM | message detail
I mean, I know his competition is bad, but I'd never pick the guy to beat HK-47 or Falco.

Falco has other Nintendo characters to deal with. I wouldn't put much faith in this poll (or any 12-way poll for that matter) in determining strength.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/11/2009 10:05:20 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #304
I mean, I know his competition is bad, but I'd never pick the guy to beat HK-47 or Falco.

Falco has other Nintendo characters to deal with. I wouldn't put much faith in this poll (or any 12-way poll for that matter) in determining strength.


And Vault Boy has other WRPG characters to deal with. Its really a wash, though we shouldn't guesstimate any real strength from these. At least it should show people that Vault Boy isn't turbo fodder though
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2009 10:07:27 PM | message detail
While we're talking about percentage floors, I think the one thing 2 years of 4-ways showed us more than anything else really is that the loyalty theory is rubbish. Characters from games with "loyal" fanbases don't gain an advantage from increasing the number of characters in the poll.

On the other hand, games with "independent" fanbases do gain an advantage from increasing the poll. Independent means their fanbases overlap less with that of other games in the poll. That's obvious in clear LFF situations, but independent can also mean that the average person in a game's fanbase simply hasn't played as many games as the average person in another game's fanbase.

Take a niche JRPG like Tales of Vesperia and compare it with, say, Halo. The average Tales of Vesperia fan has played a ton of video games, because if he had played only a few, Tales of Vesperia would not be one of them. We generally think this is a loyal fanbase, and maybe it is, but the more important thing is that it is very unindependent, because the average ToV fan has played so many other games. On the other hand Halo as a more mainstream game is naturally going to attract more people who have played only a few games. It also helps for independence that the Halo fanbase is pretty far off from the Nintendo/Square games that dominate this site.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2009 10:09:03 PM | message detail
Well at least that poll settles that Link wouldn't be reaching high thirties with yesterday's field and unless Link is going to make an appearance tomorrow or if the format is 12-ways we may never know.

FFVII also had a ton more competition in that poll than Link would have had in yesterday's. FFX, FFVI, FFVIII.....these are strong games.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/11/2009 10:09:08 PM | message detail
I don't think Vault Boy is as affected by WRPG as Falco is by Nintendo, but either way it looks like he could be near the fodder line.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/11/2009 10:10:13 PM | message detail
FFVII also had a ton more competition in that poll than Link would have had in yesterday's. FFX, FFVI, FFVIII.....these are strong games.

All of which were SFF'd
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/11/2009 10:13:19 PM | message detail
Alby, there are three Nintendo character here that share a game together. Have we ever even seen WRPG-LFF/SFF before? I don't know if we've ever really seen that for any RPGs (Tifa/Vyse comes to mind, but that's it) whereas we've seen time and time again that Nintendo affects each other. Not that I think it really matters much in this poll, but it's not exactly a wash.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/11/2009 10:15:24 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #310
Alby, there are three Nintendo character here that share a game together. Have we ever even seen WRPG-LFF/SFF before? I don't know if we've ever really seen that for any RPGs (Tifa/Vyse comes to mind, but that's it) whereas we've seen time and time again that Nintendo affects each other. Not that I think it really matters much in this poll, but it's not exactly a wash.


explain why Alistair is doing so bad then when Morrigan impressed yesterday

WRPGs share the same fanbase. you either like em or you don't
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/11/2009 10:21:36 PM | message detail
Considering I hadn't really heard of Alistair until today whereas I've heard of Morrigan for awhile, I think that's part of it. Besides, HK-47 is doing well despite Alistair and Vault Boy, so it's not a very strong point for WRPG-LFF if you're being serious here.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/11/2009 10:23:49 PM | message detail
Though I guess Alistair might be more explained as Bioware SFF since Dragon Age and KOTOR are both Bioware
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2009 10:24:34 PM | message detail
WRPG LFF seems pretty reasonable to me. Nintendo second-tier SFF is notoriously harsh though.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 12/11/2009 10:26:38 PM | message detail
explain why Alistair is doing so bad then when Morrigan impressed yesterday

alistair doesn't share a name with another character that people might be inclined to vote for
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/11/2009 10:27:30 PM | message detail
I'm not condemning the idea, but sometimes Albion does this kind of thing for the lulz and it was hard to tell, plus it's likely not fair to call it a wash with Nintendo-LFF/SFF.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/11/2009 10:27:57 PM | message detail
If Vault Boy wasn't there, I would have voted for HK-47. If HK-47 wasn't there, I woulda voted for Alistair

I'm a living example of the type of person who effects WRPG sff
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/11/2009 10:28:59 PM | message detail
If you exclude the first hour (where Bidoof was at his best and Link at his worst) 11 Bidoofs would cause Link to just break 30%.

Fun with numbers!
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/11/2009 10:29:36 PM | message detail
Alistair is doing poorly because no one likes Alistair.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/11/2009 10:30:08 PM | message detail
WRPGs share the same fanbase. you either like em or you don't

No. WRPGs are found everywhere and bought by everyone. Nintendo games are bought by Nintendo fans.

Huge difference there. Nintendo characters will SFF each other much, much more then any other fanbase.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/11/2009 10:30:24 PM | message detail

From: KleenexTissue50 | #319
Alistair is doing poorly because no one likes Alistair.


Yeah hes the worst playable character imo. Shoulda nommed Shale or Leliana instead
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/11/2009 10:31:16 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #320
WRPGs share the same fanbase. you either like em or you don't

No. WRPGs are found everywhere and bought by everyone. Nintendo games are bought by Nintendo fans.




wii fit
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XxSoulxX | Posted 12/11/2009 10:33:27 PM | message detail
Throw Wii Fit against Wii Sports and it would get absolutely destroyed.

Throw Fallout 2 against Fallout 3 and you'd get a normal beatdown.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/11/2009 10:35:11 PM | message detail
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This should be vault boys pic when he gets in
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/11/2009 10:35:24 PM | message detail
I kind of want to see a Link/Mario/Samus/Cloud match. Not that there's any doubt Cloud wins, but we can see just how far the Nintendo fanbase really does fall in line.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/11/2009 11:16:04 PM | message detail
(Tifa/Vyse comes to mind, but that's it)

Nah, 2007 proved that Vyse just sucks now. The site shift took all the Skies of Arcadia fans away, I guess.

And people are putting more weight on my comments than I put on them myself! I already said I don't put much stock in the poll in the first place! I was being more impressed with the fact that Vault Boy wasn't just bad fodder (which I was almost certain he would be). I didn't think he could get much more than this in a 4-way, much less in as 12-way.

Yes, Belmont basically did the same thing yesterday (get as much in a 4-way as in a 12-way).

Man, there's no winning with you guys!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/11/2009 11:17:29 PM | message detail
i remember yoshimitsu beat vault boy in the NRT

lol
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LeonhartFour | Posted 12/11/2009 11:19:44 PM | message detail
Vault Boy lost to the Happy Mask Salesman, who then lost to Yoshimitsu.

Either way.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/11/2009 11:27:16 PM | message detail
Ah that must be what I was thinking. Still, bad choice from the NRT!

Also Zoey is coming back on Spyro. Down only 45 now... How bad is Spyro if he loses to a LFF'd L4D character?
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transience | Posted 12/12/2009 12:24:09 AM | message detail
oh man Lucas vs. Jade is epic

god dammit why did I click on 'view results' more than once
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Lopen | Posted 12/12/2009 12:28:19 AM | message detail
Man this group is so small time.

I feel annoyed that people like Raiden got stuck in stiff groups.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/12/2009 12:52:20 AM | message detail
Watch out for Steam rallies today, because we have 2 Left 4 Dead characters in this poll. But I can't see the rally doing as much damage that Spy pulled off 2 days ago, because the rallied votes will be split between 2 characters.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/12/2009 1:16:54 AM | message detail
yess Alistair finally passes Zoey. Now he only needs to pass Spyro to be in the top 6. C'mon Alistair .. !
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voltch | Posted 12/12/2009 4:32:42 AM | message detail
If X is a noble nine level entrant, then he's really not doing the business, I'd expect your Snakes and your Cronos to be getting at least 20%, I'm blaming this on a total lack of match pics.
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Mr3790 | Posted 12/12/2009 4:59:55 AM | message detail
It is kind of a suprise that X is even here considering the strengh the should have.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/12/2009 6:41:13 AM | message detail
Wario is about 30 votes from Falco.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/12/2009 6:46:07 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #318
If you exclude the first hour (where Bidoof was at his best and Link at his worst) 11 Bidoofs would cause Link to just break 30%.

Fun with numbers!


Sounds like a good reason to nominate eleven fodder Pokemon next year!

From: Mr3790 | #335
It is kind of a suprise that X is even here considering the strengh the should have.


It did take Vincent until 2005 to make the bracket, and he's probably the strongest character outside the Noble Nine (or even in it, I'd sure as hell pick him over Sonic, though at this point I'd take Tidus over Sonic). Plus X doesn't stand out as much to the casual voter as Mega Man, and I do expect X to be weaker and not really be at Noble Nine level, much like any Noble Nine clone would be (Dark Link, Toon Link, Dark Samus, Zack, Luigi (semi-joking with last two, of course)). So it's not too surprising in retrospect he's down here, not that I predicted he'd be down here, of course.

But yeah, no way I think X is Noble Nine material. Elite, probably, but I sure as hell wouldn't pick him over Mega Man, who I'm pretty sure is much more recognizable to gamers as far as names go despite the similar character designs.

So how would a Mega Man/X match go? I'd guess 60/40 for Mega Man, but MM could crush X as bad as Zero for all we know. Or X's cool factor outweights Mega Man's more iconic appeal, but then again we've had cutesy beat cool before (hello, Pikachu and Kirby). Or maybe it'd actually be very close and one of those epic back-and-forth matches that Board 8 hates because it doesn't compare to CT/LttP or whatever match they cling on to for pathetic nostalgic reasons.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/12/2009 6:48:42 AM | message detail
I also meant to originally post this, but of course the thing I meant to post is the thing I forget to post.

True/False: If Lucas was listed from Brawl instead of Mother 3, he'd be beating Jade.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/12/2009 6:49:16 AM | message detail
Mega Man vs. X could be an epic match, doesn't GameFAQs like the X series more than the original?
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 12/12/2009 6:53:36 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #339
Mega Man vs. X could be an epic match, doesn't GameFAQs like the X series more than the original?


Now you've made me prove myself wrong: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3156

Despite that, I'd still pick Mega Man.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 12/12/2009 6:54:37 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2799

Suck it, Hedgehog.
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voltch | Posted 12/12/2009 7:03:24 AM | message detail
I see MM vs X being a cloud/seph style encounter.
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transience | Posted 12/12/2009 7:06:13 AM | message detail
I'd guess 60/40 for Mega Man, but MM could crush X as bad as Zero for all we know.

I don't think you remember the Zero match very well!
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/12/2009 7:14:51 AM | message detail
I'm assuming he means the 2008 version because the 2004 version single-handily invented the theory for rSFF.
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transience | Posted 12/12/2009 7:18:42 AM | message detail
..I totally forgot there was a 2008 match

damn you fourways
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voltch | Posted 12/12/2009 7:25:22 AM | message detail
4 ways is still a different sport, look how seph does when cloud is in the poll.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/12/2009 7:37:35 AM | message detail
I'm not sure how a Cloud vs. Sephiroth match would go. The last time they went against each other one vs. one Cloud was able to grab some SFF, but everyone in 2004 knew it was going to be a Link/Cloud showdown so maybe they voted accordingly.
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/12/2009 7:41:12 AM | message detail
Sephiroth probably does a lot better against Cloud if the winner doesn't have to face Link afterwards.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 12/12/2009 8:11:01 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #344
I'm assuming he means the 2008 version because the 2004 version single-handily invented the theory for rSFF.


Yeah, let's go with that.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 12/12/2009 8:48:41 AM | message detail

From: Not_Wylvane | #338
I also meant to originally post this, but of course the thing I meant to post is the thing I forget to post.

True/False: If Lucas was listed from Brawl instead of Mother 3, he'd be beating Jade.


false

nobody cares about him regardless
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