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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 759

paulg235 | Posted 12/7/2009 4:30:42 PM | message detail
Remove: Nominations
Add: Bracket

~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Solid Snake, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Tifa, Vincent, Zelda, Kirby, etc group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters in the past.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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KingBartz | Posted 12/7/2009 4:31:51 PM | message detail
I was just about to post this...
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/7/2009 5:09:44 PM | message detail
Here's hoping for a normal format.
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 12/7/2009 5:10:39 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #003
Here's hoping for a normal format.


Considering he's said it's going to be a never-before-used format...
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OmegaRagnarok | Posted 12/7/2009 6:36:50 PM | message detail
It's time to kick off a new season, guys.
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2009 6:41:59 PM | message detail
Something I just thought of...you guys remember this year when SB presented the BGE2-bracket but gave us a last chance to argue some game in to substitute over others? Would you guys like to see that return this year?

Honestly, I hope not -- we see character battles plenty enough to where we can just say "better luck next year" to failed rallies. BGE2 was special, this...not so much anymore.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 12/7/2009 6:43:28 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #006
Something I just thought of...you guys remember this year when SB presented the BGE2-bracket but gave us a last chance to argue some game in to substitute over others? Would you guys like to see that return this year?

Honestly, I hope not -- we see character battles plenty enough to where we can just say "better luck next year" to failed rallies. BGE2 was special, this...not so much anymore.


You know I think that might be cool, as long as its not total fodder. But like in 2007, when Tifa didnt make it, I sure as hell woudl have wanted to argue to get her into it
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/7/2009 6:44:13 PM | message detail
No, the one thing we all wanted was the one thing he wouldn't give us- a 1v1 bracket. I'd rather have the bracket sooner than spend a few days doing that again.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 12/7/2009 6:46:06 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #008
No, the one thing we all wanted was the one thing he wouldn't give us- a 1v1 bracket. I'd rather have the bracket sooner than spend a few days doing that again.


We'd still have the bracket...
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2009 8:13:58 PM | message detail
The only reason to have the add/remove feature is if one of the top 10 tally characters missed out though Dan Hibiki wouldn't be that much of a shame or if a major character missed out (Aeris/Tifa)
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 12/7/2009 8:19:01 PM | message detail
Add/Remove was dumb, so no
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2009 8:24:10 PM | message detail
At least we didn't have Super Street Fighter II Turbo, going against another Sonic game nonetheless.
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HaRRicH | Posted 12/7/2009 8:31:07 PM | message detail
ADD/REMOVE would have been cooler if there was also a SWITCH to recommend rearranging a few matches.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2009 9:00:46 PM | message detail
Epic poll alert!
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2009 9:01:16 PM | message detail
Damn, there's like three Pokemon options.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 12/7/2009 9:01:50 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #014
Epic poll alert!


Day 1 too.. so we'll have a few of these
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 12/7/2009 9:03:01 PM | message detail
Mudkip and Missingno are on here. Prepare for shenanigans.
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PiGuy96 | Posted 12/7/2009 9:03:01 PM | message detail
That's a pretty neat idea. But these definitely look like 128 character options...
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/7/2009 9:03:19 PM | message detail
Missingno with the joke vote, I see. I'm totally going to track poll updates for this.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2009 9:03:50 PM | message detail
I don't believe that Raiden or Scorpion got so few nominations.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 12/7/2009 9:04:05 PM | message detail
Pokemon always has insane board vote. I wonder how far Missingno will fall...
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2009 9:04:51 PM | message detail
Jiggly and Mudkip getting SFFd by...Missingno?

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Big Bob | Posted 12/7/2009 9:05:42 PM | message detail
Oh god.

We're beyond joke votes now. We're onto characters that were never supposed to exist.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2009 9:05:45 PM | message detail
Damn, not looking good for Jigglypuff.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 12/7/2009 9:06:02 PM | message detail
Missingno sucks.

Go Lightning!
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 12/7/2009 9:06:14 PM | message detail
1087 votes at the freeze. Not bad for vote totals on a poll that has 3 Pokemon options. Not to mention this is a 12-way poll.
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PiGuy96 | Posted 12/7/2009 9:06:21 PM | message detail
I do. The last time we saw them in a 64 character bracket was 2003 and 2004, respectively.

If this is an elimination thing that goes on for a few days, we're probably going to (sigh) see Lightning in the bracket. And she could very well make it in today.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 12/7/2009 9:06:22 PM | message detail
I hope top 3 or something make it
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vcharon | Posted 12/7/2009 9:07:20 PM | message detail
Unbelievable. First they allow things they aren't characters, now they even allow glitches that don't even exist in the context of a game's universe.

Freaking pathetic.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 12/7/2009 9:07:48 PM | message detail

From: PiGuy96 | #027
I do. The last time we saw them in a 64 character bracket was 2003 and 2004, respectively.

If this is an elimination thing that goes on for a few days, we're probably going to (sigh) see Lightning in the bracket. And she could very well make it in today.


Oh right, this could be elimination too... Maybe top 6 make it to day 2, then top 3 get in?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2009 9:09:14 PM | message detail
And to be fair I hate joke characters and I'd legitimately vote Missingno over almost everyone in this poll. Memories, man.

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Big Bob | Posted 12/7/2009 9:09:18 PM | message detail
Who was even rallying for missingno? It got barely any support from the board.
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Master Moltar | Posted 12/7/2009 9:09:49 PM | message detail
*sees poll*

ooh this looks interesting

*looks at results*

what in the world
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2009 9:10:28 PM | message detail
And Missingno increases.

well then

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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 12/7/2009 9:10:45 PM | message detail
well so much for Missingno or whatever its name is being a board vote wonder
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2009 9:11:01 PM | message detail
The Boss takes second while Toad is about to overtake Lighting
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ZFS | Posted 12/7/2009 9:11:10 PM | message detail
Haha. GameFAQs and freakin' Pokemon.

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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 12/7/2009 9:12:33 PM | message detail
If Lightning has typical FF trends, I'd say second place is guaranteed
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/7/2009 9:12:46 PM | message detail
I hope this means Red made it into the bracket already. He's also the last new Pokemon character we need to have in the contest for a long time.
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charmander6000 | Posted 12/7/2009 9:13:15 PM | message detail
Damn you Missingno
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2009 9:13:17 PM | message detail
This is Day 1. We could very well see Red in a later poll.

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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 12/7/2009 9:14:10 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure Red got into it. He had a lot of NRT support plus I'm sure people outside of b8 nominated Pokemon trainer from Brawl and likely got the Pokemon Trainer Red option

He should be good
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 12/7/2009 9:14:22 PM | message detail
Not sure about Revan and Bayonetta. I hope they're both in, but...
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red sox 777 | Posted 12/7/2009 9:14:31 PM | message detail
If Lightning has typical FF trends, I'd say second place is guaranteed

Not sure about that, with FF's newly developed trend of crashing during the day. Axel could give her a good run tomorrow afternoon.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 12/7/2009 9:15:02 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #044
Not sure about Revan and Bayonetta. I hope they're both in, but...


Remember that Bioware forums rally for Sandal I mentioned? With Bioware fans all making nomination brackets, I'm pretty sure that Revan got in.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 12/7/2009 9:15:20 PM | message detail
This is ****ing awesome.

I can't believe we haven't had bigger Missingno rallies. Makes me wish I thought of him.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 12/7/2009 9:15:30 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #045
If Lightning has typical FF trends, I'd say second place is guaranteed

Not sure about that, with FF's newly developed trend of crashing during the day. Axel could give her a good run tomorrow afternoon.


I mean the trend of doing absolutely crappy in the first few updates then rising to heaven overnight
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KamikazePotato | Posted 12/7/2009 9:15:35 PM | message detail
I think on B8 Jigglypuff had more nominations? Depending on how many sets we see, we could easily see a lot of NRT guys put to the test pretty soon.

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PiGuy96 | Posted 12/7/2009 9:15:48 PM | message detail
If Lightning's here, I don't think Bayonetta got in. I'm not sure of the board nomination totals but you have to figure Lightning had much more support from everywhere else. Maybe if there's new options tomorrow, but I wouldn't expect her to win anyway.
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