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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 758

Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 12:43:08 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #199
GTAIV is the second best game ever!


I think they also considered importance. GTA3 is by far the most important of all of the GTAs to the industry since it basically changed how games were made to make more sandbox type games
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/30/2009 12:44:03 PM | message detail
Charmander just beat me to the GTA4-example.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 12:44:47 PM | message detail
But the thing with FF and MGS is that none of the games changed gaming or were very important to it. So why not go with the universally higher rated one?
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 11/30/2009 12:46:26 PM | message detail
If they aren't strictly following game ratings, they could have put MGS3/4 over MGS2.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 12:47:29 PM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #204
If they aren't strictly following game ratings, they could have put MGS3/4 over MGS2.


But neither MGS3 or MGS4 were incredibly important to the gaming landscape, so why would they do that? Hell, MGS2 has sold the most too. MGS3 and MGS4 really have nothing over MGS2 to convince them to put them instead.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 11/30/2009 12:48:32 PM | message detail
So why not go with the universally higher rated one?

Because this is ultimately a popularity contest and the other game is more popular.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 12:49:14 PM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #206
So why not go with the universally higher rated one?

Because this is ultimately a popularity contest and the other game is more popular.


More popular is subjective. They may be more popular on one website (This one), but how do we know they are more popular universally? We don't, and neither do they.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/30/2009 12:50:28 PM | message detail
How about MGS2 was overhyped to hell and back while MGS4 was a big step towards the PS3 revival?

Also we could easily do 128 games though considering over 50 games from that era were present in the last games contest.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 12:51:34 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #208
How about MGS2 was overhyped to hell and back while MGS4 was a big step towards the PS3 revival?


Or maybe their team just has opinions, too. And opinions that MGS2 is the best game of the series (which it is).
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/30/2009 12:52:24 PM | message detail
More popular is subjective. They may be more popular on one website (This one), but how do we know they are more popular universally? We don't, and neither do they.

I'm pretty sure that they know enough about their own site to know what their readers prefer. Also why do less than 100 people carry so much weight about a game being good?
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/30/2009 12:53:32 PM | message detail
I'll say that none of the FF/MGS-games this decade meant to their series what GTA3 meant to the GTA-series, but that's because they had their break-out game last decade (FF7, MGS1) and it's hard to have your second most important game mean as much as another big series' most important game. MGS2 had better reviews, but it's still been accepted as a love/hate-game since its release and we have our contest has evidence (though loose in the overall-sense) that reviews don't make MGS2 the most popular MGS-game this decade -- in fact, it's probably the least popular.

C'este la vie though, maybe MGS3 will be voted in.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 12:54:12 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #210
More popular is subjective. They may be more popular on one website (This one), but how do we know they are more popular universally? We don't, and neither do they.

I'm pretty sure that they know enough about their own site to know what their readers prefer. Also why do less than 100 people carry so much weight about a game being good?


Because their voices carry more weight then a typical gamer. Someone who plays games for a living and plays many different games can more easily compare how good games really are to eachother then regular people who just buy a couple games a year. Its just like movies; the typical people love crappy comedies like White Chicks, while the people who actually watch movies for a living know those kinds of movies are crap.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/30/2009 12:56:04 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure that they know enough about their own site to know what their readers prefer. Also why do less than 100 people carry so much weight about a game being good?

To be fair, I don't think CJay, SB, or any of GameSpot's team did very well in the contests they run. I'm cautious to give them that much credit.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 12:56:49 PM | message detail
To be fair, I don't think CJay, SB, or any of GameSpot's team did very well in the contests they run

Regarding CjayC, I wish we had as many fighting game fans as he thought we had
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/30/2009 12:59:55 PM | message detail
Because their voices carry more weight then a typical gamer. Someone who plays games for a living and plays many different games can more easily compare how good games really are to eachother then regular people who just buy a couple games a year. Its just like movies; the typical people love crappy comedies like White Chicks, while the people who actually watch movies for a living know those kinds of movies are crap.

Reviewers can be just as biased. Have you ever thought of what if the same popular game was produced, but with different names/character models would it get the same score?

Reviewers can tell you whether a game is good or bad and most of the time they are right, but when you are arguing between a game with 95% and another with 92% you don't really have much grounds for argument based on scores.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/30/2009 1:00:49 PM | message detail
Regarding CjayC, I wish we had as many fighting game fans as he thought we had

Blame Current Events for making him think that.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 1:05:56 PM | message detail
I think we all gotta ask WTF they were thinking when they put stuff like Killer 7 over Smash Bros though. I can understand FFX since they have the one series quota, and FFXII is a bette game afterall, but Killer 7 has no reason for making it
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/30/2009 1:14:13 PM | message detail
I'll predict the bracket using GameFAQs standards (I assumed games against reader's choices are given byes) XD at the names though

Koopa Division

Metroid Prime
WarioWare Inc: Mega Microgames

Paper Mario
Katamari Damacy

Okami
LoZ: Wind Waker

Pikmin
Super Mario Galaxy

Alucard Division

Bioshock
Portal

Diablo II
Resident Evil 4

Fallout 3
Half-Life 2

Batman: Arkham Asylum
Perfect Dark

Chocobo Division

TES IV: Oblivion
Braid

Viewtiful Joe
Star Wars: KotOR

Final Fantasy XII
Civilization IV

Mass Effect
World of Warcraft

Bo Jackson Division

Halo
God of War

Madden NFL 2005
Gears of War

Guitar Hero
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

Rock Band
Metal Gear Solid 2

Final Division

Resident Evil 4 > LoZ: Wind Waker
Metal Gear Solid 2 > TES IV: Oblivion

Resident Evil 4 > Metal Gear Solid 2
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 1:15:20 PM | message detail
Whats the difference between bold and italics?
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/30/2009 1:15:39 PM | message detail
I think we all gotta ask WTF they were thinking when they put stuff like Killer 7 over Smash Bros though. I can understand FFX since they have the one series quota, and FFXII is a bette game afterall, but Killer 7 has no reason for making it

Using your logic no it isn't.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/30/2009 1:16:30 PM | message detail
Whats the difference between bold and italics?

italics = 1 round
bold = 2 rounds
bold/italics = winner of division
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 1:17:51 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #220
I think we all gotta ask WTF they were thinking when they put stuff like Killer 7 over Smash Bros though. I can understand FFX since they have the one series quota, and FFXII is a bette game afterall, but Killer 7 has no reason for making it

Using your logic no it isn't.


Using my logic FFX and FFXII have identical ratings. So whats so off about it?
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/30/2009 1:19:27 PM | message detail
Using my logic FFX and FFXII have identical ratings. So whats so off about it?

Final Fantasy X - 91.46%
Final Fantasy XII - 90.34%

That's a full percent.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 1:21:29 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #223
Using my logic FFX and FFXII have identical ratings. So whats so off about it?

Final Fantasy X - 91.46%
Final Fantasy XII - 90.34%

That's a full percent.


lol gamerankings

FFX: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/finalfantasyx?q=final%20fantasy%20x
FFXII: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/finalfantasyxii?q=final%20fantasy%20xii

Both 92. Gamerankings uses too few reviews these days and take forever to update so I've abandoned that site for Metacritic which is far superior.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/30/2009 1:24:29 PM | message detail
You do know that Gamerankings out numbers Metacritic on both games?
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/30/2009 1:25:07 PM | message detail
And if one was so vastly superior to the other wouldn't the game have a higher score?
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 1:26:02 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #225
You do know that Gamerankings out numbers Metacritic on both games?


Didn't realize that. But games in the last year or two show complete laziness on Gamerankings side. Like for example, Dragon Age Origins (PC) has 55 reviews on Metacritic and 30 on Gamerankings. They used to be better when they actually added reviews
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 1:26:34 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #226
And if one was so vastly superior to the other wouldn't the game have a higher score?


I never said vastly superior in regards to ffx/ffxii
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/30/2009 1:28:04 PM | message detail
Maybe not vastly, but...

Better = superior
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 1:28:44 PM | message detail
And I said that from my own personal point of view. FFXII to me is the best jrpg of last gen.
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/30/2009 1:30:54 PM | message detail
You may have meant it that way, but the way you said it implied that it was the better game.

Anyways, two weeks until the bracket I hope.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/30/2009 2:15:52 PM | message detail

From: Cyclo_Reaper | #230
And I said that from my own personal point of view. FFXII to me is the best jrpg of last gen.


Nah, FFX has it beat by a mile, but knowing the kind of games you like, I can see why you like FFXII better.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/30/2009 2:16:18 PM | message detail
And I can't really think of many places where FFXII will be more popular than FFX either.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 2:17:18 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #233
And I can't really think of many places where FFXII will be more popular than FFX either.


No where would it be more popular than FFX. It was too much love or hate.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/30/2009 2:52:07 PM | message detail
Browsing through their comments, they've said Metacritic influenced a lot of their seeding...doesn't say anything about the choice of games though.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/30/2009 3:30:29 PM | message detail
Now that I think about it, has anyone ever heard about this site before today? Because I sure didn't.

Then again, it was popular enough to hit Digg, though that could've been manipulated.
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voltch | Posted 11/30/2009 3:37:01 PM | message detail
huh, not seeing how a site like that could possibly influence a gamefaqs contest, anyway never heard of that site before, so let's see how it goes.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 11/30/2009 6:25:12 PM | message detail
MGS2 is easily the second most popular MGS game behind the original MGS. People around here have too much of a hard-on for MGS3 to realize it was extremely flawed and not nearly as widely liked among the general population.

And MGS4 made the mistake of coming out on a crap system that noone owns.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/30/2009 6:31:53 PM | message detail
MGS2 is easily the second most popular MGS game behind the original MGS. People around here have too much of a hard-on for MGS3 to realize it was extremely flawed and not nearly as widely liked among the general population.

And MGS4 made the mistake of coming out on a crap system that noone owns.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3488
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3507


Anyway, it looks like they've updated their bracket where they will take eight snubs and pair them off into four matches, with the winners getting the Player's Choice slots. It also looks like the "Game Trust" will only be deciding the first round now instead of all the matches up to the Elite Eight. This, combined with the knowledge that Metacritic is more responsible for their seeding than their personal tastes, makes the contest look more exciting now.

Maybe it'll get some decent votes, but I've never heard of it until now.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 11/30/2009 6:36:09 PM | message detail
Now that I think about it, has anyone ever heard about this site before today? Because I sure didn't.

Then again, it was popular enough to hit Digg, though that could've been manipulated.


It's seems to be about as big as sites like Smogon and Smashboards so it's not that big.
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transience | Posted 11/30/2009 9:14:03 PM | message detail
well, there's your GOTY poll. all we need now is some RE5.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 9:14:59 PM | message detail
So glad to see Dragon Age getting love :D
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ZFS | Posted 11/30/2009 9:17:00 PM | message detail
Last option it is!

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red sox 777 | Posted 11/30/2009 9:18:17 PM | message detail
Let's see if Modern Warfare 2 can make a comeback with the day vote; my guess is no. Go last option!
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/30/2009 9:18:20 PM | message detail
Dragon Age is putting on a decent showing, and NSMBW is doing as expected, and MW2 is of course winning the poll. But of course, since there's no Zelda, FF, MGS, or Smash Bros games in the poll, it shouldn't be surprising that "none of the above" is outright winning.

GotY's going to be so boring this year. Most of the consoles are predictable, and the strongest games are multiplatform anyway. Plus a huge portion of websites are going to pick MW2 anyway, like 80% minimum.

Oh well, 2010 should be good at least. Yeah, games like Galaxy 2 and ME2 won't be strong on GameFAQs, but considering their prequels are two of my three favorite games this gen, I still look forward to them. Plus I have a feeling that there will likely be a game or two we don't know about yet that could seriously threaten FF13 on GameFAQs for 2010 GotY and sweep a lot of other GotY awards.

Now to wait and see which game that will be.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 9:19:24 PM | message detail
I'm hoping this year like top 3 multiplatform games get into the final GOTY. Since multiplatform is the real strong games this year, like MW2, SF4, RE5, and DAO
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/30/2009 9:20:06 PM | message detail
MW2 still looks good to take GOTY this year.

The only thing this poll is good for is getting an early idea of how the GOTY poll will turn out, since it doesn't include games released in the early part of this year.
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ZFS | Posted 11/30/2009 9:22:24 PM | message detail
I wouldn't bet on Street Fighter 4 doing much in these polls. As much as it should win, it'd probably be one of the bottom three in this poll. GameFAQs and Fighters not named Brawl don't mix well.

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red sox 777 | Posted 11/30/2009 9:25:15 PM | message detail
The site is moving away from Nintendo and Square. The other companies together probably have a larger share of Gamefaqs voters than either one of our big two by themselves now.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 11/30/2009 9:26:23 PM | message detail
I'm really surprised that Mario isn't doing better here. Its the ONLY Nintendo game in the poll, and it can't even get 10%?
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