GameFAQs Contests

Minor fix in the original post, since apparently sc2k5 is dead for good.



~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Solid Snake, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Tifa, Vincent, Zelda, Kirby, etc group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters in the past.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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NOOOOOOOOO sc2k5.com!
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Yeah I was very sad about this. My most visited site for years and years.

I know gamefaqscontests is basically the same thing, but it doesn't feel the same. Plus there are a lot of 404s.
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Nominate Pokemon Trainer Red for GameFAQs' Character Battle 8 Contest!
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/nominate_entry

I dunno. I was never big into Pokemon, but I had friends who were, and I never remember any of my friends talking about Ash/Red/the trainer.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Continued from the last topic...

Some people will connect him with Ash, but I doubt the majority will, especially if sprite pics are used (which I intend to make sure they are!). Especially after Brawl, 'Pokemon Trainer Red' (nice call on the name, Bacon) is pretty distinctive from Ash.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

and I never remember any of my friends talking about Ash/Red/the trainer.

Because he wasn't the star of the series. No one cared about him before the anime, and they only care about him now because of the anime. The Pokemon are still more popular though.
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

Cloud would beat Link if he were a silent protagonist. Search your feelings, and you will know it to be true!
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Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes.

Especially after Brawl, 'Pokemon Trainer Red' (nice call on the name, Bacon) is pretty distinctive from Ash.

I wouldn't call that a good thing.
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Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

FFVII would be a strange game with a silent Cloud.
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"Stay with me until the end. Please."
"Not until the end. Always."

People don't talk about Crono either. Didn't stop him from 70-30ing the guy who was supposed to rSFF him.
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Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes.

People don't talk about Ash because most people don't like Ash.

And while I know people talk about Link...honestly, I never hear anyone care whatsoever about Crono until contest time comes.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

I knew like one guy in high school who had ever played Chrono Trigger, so that's not a fair comparison, really.
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"So cold. I am always by your side."
"There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!"

Crono is also the face of his game and the main character.
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Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

I think Ash is generally more disliked than Pikachu. Hate for him has probably died down too but...I don't know, I've never seen an Ash fan on B8 who wasn't yoblazer.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

And this is anecdotal evidence, but there was a topic on LL recently (which is pretty into Pokemon, so it isn't an entirely fair comparisan to the general populace) where basically everyone said they hated Ash. Then someone brought up Red, and everyone said they loved Red.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

Red is also the main character! Plus, I'd imagine there'd be a lot more in the way of emotional attachment among the RBY fanbase than the CT fanbase, simply because the average age at the time of the first playthrough is probably a lot lower for RBY.

I get that Red isn't what people think about when they think about Pokemon- but I don't think it really matters much. They'll be thinking of Red when he's in the poll, and then it's just a matter of how much they like him.
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Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes.

I get that Red isn't what people think about when they think about Pokemon- but I don't think it really matters much. They'll be thinking of Red when he's in the poll, and then it's just a matter of how much they like him.

I'm not saying he won't be strong. I'm saying in a match with him and Charizard, 'Zard will kick his ass.
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

Also, let's not forget that even though most fans turned on Pokemon (mostly Pikachu), no one turned on Charizard. He always was the biggest badass of the franchise and never got the same backlash that other Pokemon got.
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

Yeah, Charizard would probably SFF Red, though not to a huge degree.

And this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I think Red would SFF Pikachu....I think Pikachu in general would crumble a bit against anyone half-decent from Pokemon, but I haven't been able to test that yet.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

I dunno. I'd like to see how Pikachu does against another Pokemon, but if he can stand up to Samus and Luigi, I think he'll be fine against, say, Mewtwo. I know same series SFF is always worse, but I'm still not sure rSFF exists.
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."

Comparing Red to Link and Crono for their roles in their games is only a small stretch. Comparing Red to Link and Crono for their contest-strengths in comparison to the rest of their casts is a much bigger stretch. I don't think anybody's really pushing for the latter right now -- only red sox has said he thinks Red would be the strongest character in the series, and even then I'm not hearing him call for Red to compare to Link/Crono or blow out Pikachu/Charizard. Red's range is just humongous compared to practically every newcomer.

I could also buy RBY being bigger than the rest of the Pokemon series. I mean, I understand GSC is nearly just a color version of RBY, and RBY thrashed it head-to-head. Indirectly, GSC alone got 46.67% on MGS...RBY with LoZ:OoT got 51.94% on MGS. The other Pokemon games can hardly compare, too, so RBY probably is bigger than the series. Besides, when I think of the Pokemon-craze growing up, I don't remember my friends playing any other Pokemon game than RBY -- it started and stopped there for them.


Also, as somebody who has MUCH more experience with the SSB-series than Pokemon (I probably only have twenty hours between two games...Blue and maybe Emerald?), I liked Blastoise more as a Pokeball-power and thought he was one of the coolest (though I liked Charizard's power too). It's a shame he wasn't in SSBB in some capacity.
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and RBY thrashed it head-to-head

I wouldn't say "thrashed." I thought most people were impressed at the time with how well G/S held up to RBY.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

I think Red's ceiling is Crono level or so. Keep in mind when I say that it is far, far more likely that he's in the Pikachu range, but yeah. Would never bank on it, but if it happened it wouldn't be a huge shocker either.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

I think Red's ceiling is Crono level or so. Keep in mind when I say that it is far, far more likely that he's in the Pikachu range, but yeah. Would never bank on it, but if it happened it wouldn't be a huge shocker either.

It would be a huge shocker, what are you talking about? I would barely consider RBY (the game) up at that level, let alone Red.
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

I wouldn't say Pokemon is hated beyond GSC, as DP did pretty well for itself in BGEII with Galaxy breathing down its neck.

I'm not denying that pretty much everything Pokemon related worth nominating is from RBY, but DP does have strength in terms of the game, just nobody cares about the Pokemon.
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It may be insulting, but it's true!
Now this is entertainment!

I recall some people predicting GSC to win and -- after how close GSC got to MGS -- there wasn't a lot of faith in RBY being much stronger except for a select few. Perhaps thrashing isn't the best word, but it was a big win for a match in the air, especially considering it was a black-and-white game against an updated color version of itself.

Seriously, it's hard for me to get over that. That's loyalty.
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Pretty sure RBY would smush Chrono Trigger in a match.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

Yeah, GSC stood up really well, and it was in an excellent position to suffer last place factor too.

Pikachu/Charizard feels like Crono/Magus to me. I wouldn't be surprised if the result were similar and the board is stunned on the day of the match wondering how Pikachu of all things SFFs Charizard badly.

And I'll take Red to SFF both of them pretty hard, less so Pikachu because of his Smash support and general fame. I expect Red to clean up among the RBY fanbase.
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Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes.

I'd like to say DP did well in that poll, but considering badly Galaxy tanked in the next round...

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

I recall some people predicting GSC to win and -- after how close GSC got to MGS -- there wasn't a lot of faith in RBY being much stronger except for a select few.

People who thought GSC was stronger then RBY are the same who thought Majora's Mask would be stronger then Ocarina of Time. Well, they were that delusional at least.
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Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

From: KamikazePotato | #030
I'd like to say DP did well in that poll, but considering badly Galaxy tanked in the next round...

It's Brawl.
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It may be insulting, but it's true!
Now this is entertainment!

I think Red's ceiling is Crono level or so.

Welcome aboard! Let's see how far this hype train gets before we crash and burn.

I consider CT/RBY more or less a 50/50 match. If I were being entirely objective I'd take RBY, but you know I cannot avoid taking CT to win if it even has only a 25% chance of doing so.
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Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes.

RBY has a pretty strong argument for #3 on the site (it was only 3% behind FFX in a match with Ocarina and Melee!), but I don't think much of Red. If he manages to represent RBY in the same way that Link represents The Legend of Zelda or Crono represents Chrono Trigger, then, yeah, that's a really formidable force. But...I don't think he does. I don't think he really comes close. The pokeymanz are what I think of when I think of Pokemon, not Red.

But I didn't think much of the rat or RBY and they turned out all right, so maybe I just suck at predicting Pokemon.
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All of this discussion about a nameless loser who isn't even the main focus of his game (hell, he's only the playable character in Red, since you're Blue in Blue and Ash in Yellow) reminds me why I try to avoid the topic in the offseason. Pikachu would kick the crap out of Red. The Pokemon themselves are the main characters of the games. And Ash's stupid unlikable personality in the cartoon definitely doesn't help matters.
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I don't think anyone argued GS > RBY, though I do remember saying that GS won't be SFF because there are people that see it as the best game of the series.
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Congratulations to Krahenprophet for winning the guru contest

Going to the discussion of Pokemon Trainer Red, sure he has Brawl and I see him above the fodder line, but there is no way that Red is anywhere close at being the strongest character in that game.
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Congratulations to Krahenprophet for winning the guru contest

Anyway, update with comparisons from last year!

Prinny – 41

Charizard – 35

Ken – 29

Cid Highwind – 24

Pokemon Trainer Red – 22
Yoshimitsu – 22

Darth Revan – 20
Doc Louis – 20

Dan Hibiki – 17

Jigglypuff – 14

Archer – 12
Lyn – 12
Phoenix Wright – 12

Jecht – 11
Professor Layton – 11
Proto Man – 11

Godot – 10
Jack Frost – 10
Vault Boy – 10

Gene – 9
Minsc – 9
Yuna – 9

Albert Wesker – 8
Yuri Lowell – 8
Zack Fair – 8

Gilgamesh – 7
Maxwell – 7
Nathan Drake – 7

Boko – 6
Big Boss – 6
CATS – 6
Gordon Freeman – 6
Ike – 6
Sniper Wolf – 6
Yuffie Kisaragi – 6

Bayonetta – 5
Chun Li – 5
Etna – 5
Isaac – 5
Miles Edgeworth – 5
Pious Augustus – 5


-Last year, Altair received 60 nominations. Considering nominations have yet to end, Prinny looks good to match that.
-CATS and Phoenix are receiving much less support this year than the last year. Aw.
-Street Fighter in general is doing better than last year. Ken and Dan are doing great, and there's a bunch of random characters getting support.
-Lyn is going to run into some trouble due to the fact that half of her nominations are under Lyn, and the other half, Lyndis (I counted them all as one). Maybe someone should send a feedback ticket to tell Bacon to keep an eye out.
-Biggest surprise (to me) so far is Layton. He's doing a lot better than last year despite already being in a contest and not doing very well.
-The database matters to people. Jigglypuff and Jecht shot up a bit after being added.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

I recall some people predicting GSC to win

I don't remember these people.

*looks up Oracle*

One person who picked GS to beat RBY, and another who had them at the same percentage.
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"Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!"
"Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!"

Maybe someone should send a feedback ticket to tell Bacon to keep an eye out.

Bacon said he combines similar entries as long as he can tell that they're the same character, I believe.
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"Stay with me until the end. Please."
"Not until the end. Always."

I stand corrected then -- I must have confused the standing-up debate as upset-talk.
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Charizard thrashes Red in a direct match-up.

As someone who professes to be besmitten with the early days of Pokémon and pretty much an archetypal, RBY - Best Game ever, and then trailed off from there, there is not a doubt in my mind.

Red will do well, I could see him reaching Pikachu level easily and probably wins that match comfortably indirectly, Charizard SFFs everything in that series.

Charizard/Pikachu would be a Link/Ganon affair. Charizard/Red not as bad I don't think, but I wouldn't be surprised by a doubling. As for where to actually peg Charizard? I don't know.

He doesn't have any of the augh Pokémon reaction that Pikachu gets, he's (to my mind) the most popular character from the 3rd game on the site, he's the badass of the TV series and the point that everyone remembers. For proof of that, just take a look at Icehawk's watchthrough topics, everyone was hyping Charizard as the best thing in the series there.

He was the ultimate pokémon card when everyone had Pokémon cards, has an excellent design, had his face across the box and cart of Red. Also, not everyon but lots of people picked the starter for their game, which is why Venusaur doesn't get the love of Blastoise or the 'Zard. The majority of Blue players picked Blastoise and the majority of Red players picked Charizard. Obviously that's not a 100% case, but is something that holds true.

So this is the kicker, we've put thousands of hours into pokémon throughout the series and yet, the one thing that first kicked it off, was that level 5 charmander. The nostalgia off that is immense and is in the same league as the first OoT or FFVII playthrough.

I underestimated RBY by assuming it crumbled to OoT. I'm not going to make that mistake again, the original 151 is **** strong and I will be pushing for Charizard to be a near elite.
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Deal with it.

I love you.
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It may be insulting, but it's true!
Now this is entertainment!

That's it, I'm going into ******* mode.

Red won't be that strong. He's essentially Terra from FF6, except at least Terra had personality and a strong storyline presence. ****, Link and Crono had actual personality in their games, which is part of their appeal despite being silent protagonists. What the **** has Red done in RBY? Jack ****ing ****. He just walks around and lets his Pokemon do the work. Do you really think people are going to be more involved with Red's story than kicking ass with their Pikachu and Charizard? If you do, you missed the whole ****ing point of Pokemon and should be prepared for major disappointment.

Red's a non-entity compared to the ensemble he has to compete with. I wouldn't pick Terra to beat certain FF6 characters like Shadow or Kefka, and she actually has arguably the strongest storyline of any FF6 character. Link's not just some guy in a green suit, he's a hero and willing to put himself in danger to save Hyrule. Crono pulls off one of the most selfless and noble moves I've ever seen in a game, and he never says a ****ing word. Even Mario has become personified by his heroism and bravery, giving him more appeal than merely appearing in immensely popular games.

Red has jack ****ing ****. Even Tidus and Squall, hated as they may be, have enough character traits that they have many fans despite vocal outcries. Red has nothing. Sure, he's a ****ing godly character in the manga, but nobody's actually read that. And his anime equivalent is one of the most annoying, worthless, pathetic pieces of **** I've ever seen, to the point where I think Charizard will benefit from his anime presence because he was an antagonist of Ash despite being Ash's own Pokemon. I know I rooted for Charizard whenever he gave Ash burns that sadly did not kill him.

Red has nothing but his game, and this is in a field where many people are voting for characters for reasons other than their games. Crono has character design and actual character traits that appeal to people. I know I vote for Crono because he's a badass, not because he's the main character of Chrono Trigger, or else Magus and Frog would be near-elites. Red has nothing, and that's why he's destined to failure.

Of course, I'm wasting my breath on a character who may not even make the contest despite the Board 8 rallies.
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^ That's pretty much it about Red

Except Terra would probably defeat Shadow.
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Congratulations to Krahenprophet for winning the guru contest

I've been supporting Red for years, am so happy he's finally getting a rally,didn't think of the Link/Crono comparision but if Red does well I can see some prof Oak love in the future.
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Shakes Fist!

That's a really nice post, Wyl. We should save that for the day after Red's first match if he bombs.
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I can't see any human character from the Pokemon series perform well. Red could probably beat Nidoran F, but I wouldn't pick him over Mudkip.
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Except Terra would probably defeat Shadow.

I dunno. If we absolutely had to see one more character from FFVI, I'd rather see Shadow. I don't even really like the guy, but he's the last one with any sort of potential not to be fodder.
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"Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!"

Mog?
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