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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 757
Biolizard28 | Posted 11/23/2009 3:36:37 PM | message detail |
From: UItimaterializer | #348 To put that into perspective. http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Sephiroth_vs_Bowser_2005 If Bowser even came remotely close to doing that these days, I would absolutely die. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
voltch | Posted 11/23/2009 3:39:53 PM | message detail |
I'd
like to see Auron go up agains Vincent and Squall, these kind of
matches don't seem to be too SFF heavy and though Tidus got squashed
he's also not a brooding badass like auron. his happy yellow didn't suit his match, heck throw DMC4 dante in the mix and it's a decent 4 pack of badasses. --- Shakes Fist! |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/23/2009 3:43:05 PM | message detail |
We've
argued this before, but now that contest-time is closing in and we're
talking about some of the characters, who do you take in this four-way? Auron Sora Squall Tifa --- Please nominate DOC LOUIS from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! T E A M C H O C O L A T E |
Biolizard28 | Posted 11/23/2009 3:45:59 PM | message detail |
Ugh, that's a tough one. Squall > Auron, gut reaction. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
paulg235 | Posted 11/23/2009 3:47:37 PM | message detail |
Tifa > Sora Auron and Squall are going to suffer from both of them being in the match. Tifa sticks out and gets first since she's from the dominant FF game as well as TJF. After seeing the improvement he did in last year's Squall (R2) match, Sora pretty much has 2nd place covered, especially since his day vote is a beast. --- The Gamer In Me My Signature's broken, just like your front door. |
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/23/2009 3:47:44 PM | message detail |
Auron
> Squall was my knee-jerk reaction there. It's either that or the
other way around. Don't think Sora or Tifa stand much of a chance
the--why are we still talking about 4-ways? --- If you're seeing this sig, I'm not on my computer! |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/23/2009 3:48:02 PM | message detail |
Things
like a Cloud/Mario rematch would obviously turn out differently (or
would it...? DUN DUN DUN), but what about matches like Luigi/Yoshi?
Sonic/Vincent? Jill/Peach? Dante/Yoshi? Sora/Mega Man? Crono/Auron? Mario/Cloud: Yes Luigi/Yoshi: No, but it's kind of tempting. Sonic/Vincent: Yes, but it would be a prime opportunity for the Curse of the Noble Nine Breakers to strike again. Jill/Peach: Yes, and it better not be the 3rd Jill match I get wrong by 27 votes. Dante/Yoshi: Yes Sora/Megaman: Not yet. After KH3, yes. Crono/Auron: No --- Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes. |
voltch | Posted 11/23/2009 3:48:13 PM | message detail |
Squal>Auron..but they all have KHII relations so urgh. --- Shakes Fist! |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/23/2009 3:48:29 PM | message detail |
Tifa>Auron
due to FF7 pedigree and independent strength pre-KHF, but if Squall
placed there I'd be cheering for him all the way. --- Placeholder anti-capslock sig. |
voltch | Posted 11/23/2009 3:51:25 PM | message detail |
though
should Kratos with say God of War 3 behind him go head to head with
tifa, well without sephiroth around how badly does she smash him? --- Shakes Fist! |
Biolizard28 | Posted 11/23/2009 3:52:48 PM | message detail |
I don't think God of War III will boost Kratos a hell of a lot, but I'd probably just plain take him over Tifa any day. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/23/2009 3:53:22 PM | message detail |
Haha,
love the different reactions. Just to take up for Sora since it seems
like he has the least amount of support: he has more lead roles than
the other characters, has been on more systems than the others, and --
while the other three have shared games with Sora -- Sora is the only
non-FF character in the mix. I love that four-way though. If we somehow return to that format, this is a must-have in my opinion. --- Please nominate DOC LOUIS from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! T E A M C H O C O L A T E |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/23/2009 3:53:53 PM | message detail |
Really
dependent on how well received and hyped the game is. If it's a smash
hit amongst players AND critics and sticks here, I could potentially
see Kratos break 40% on Tifa. --- Placeholder anti-capslock sig. |
paulg235 | Posted 11/23/2009 3:54:56 PM | message detail |
Mario/Cloud: unless Mario is to Cloud what Snake is to Ryu, Cloud easily wins 55-60%. Luigi/Yoshi: Luigi's a completely different character since 2005 and Yoshi's done nothing at all of recent note for me to decide otherwise. Luigi wins 55-60% Sonic/Vincent: Now that Sonic has lost to Auron/Kirby, people are just going to give up on him. Vincent wins 55%. Jill/Peach: Jill wins 50-55% Dante/Yoshi: Dante has done nothing for 2 years, that's going to eventually bite him in the ass. Yoshi wins 50-55%. Sora/Megaman: Megaman's not getting any stronger. Sora, on the other hand, is. Sora wins 50-53% or Mega Man barely edges out Sora. Crono/Auron: Crono 50-55%. Auron hasn't done anything recently (gamewise, not CBwise, and Sonic's loss to him doesn't convince me otherwise). --- The Gamer In Me "paulg is a genius." - MajinZidane |
UItimaterializer | Posted 11/23/2009 3:55:02 PM | message detail |
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 11/23/2009 6:43:05 PM | #353 Auron > Squall, because I think Tifa hurts Squall more than she would Auron Squall v Auron 1v1, I'd have no clue whatsoever. --- "There are no fingerprints deep under water, nothing to tie one to a crime And if you seek vengeance, all you need are instruments of pain." -Dethklok |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/23/2009 3:56:01 PM | message detail |
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 11/23/2009 3:53:22 PM | #362 Problem is, Sora got SMASHED just with Squall being in the poll. Add two more options to leech his KH appeal and he'll look weaker than Tanner. Also, I'd disagree about getting that 4ways as anything less than a prelude to a Crono/Sonic match or the like. Wasting four near-elites just for SFF kicks would suck. --- Placeholder anti-capslock sig. |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/23/2009 3:56:40 PM | message detail |
I
have no idea how that Square near-elite match goes. Tifa has FFVII and
being female going for her, Sora has being non-Final Fantasy going for
him, while Squall and Auron (probably) have an edge in strength going
for them. The problem with having that match is that it uses 4
near-elites and probably throws the remaining 2 into an uninteresting
match the next round. --- Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes. |
voltch | Posted 11/23/2009 3:57:13 PM | message detail |
Sora is actually SFF resistant, he proved himself in that squall/aeris/sora poll. --- Shakes Fist! |
Biolizard28 | Posted 11/23/2009 3:57:37 PM | message detail |
Sora's
a bit wonky in supposed SFF matches. Pretty much any time he's in a
match with Squall, they both perform as if they were from completely
different companies, but Cloud hurts them both to almost equal degrees.
I just can't figure out how that's supposed to work with OTHER FF
characters. --- It may be insulting, but it's true! Now this is entertainment! |
voltch | Posted 11/23/2009 4:01:16 PM | message detail |
these Square near elites look like they'd make great matches against each. --- Shakes Fist! |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/23/2009 4:02:19 PM | message detail |
And,
um, Kratos would score well over 40% on Tifa now. If GoW3 is very well
received, he could make it uncomfortably close afterwards. --- Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/23/2009 4:06:54 PM | message detail |
If
Sora couldn't beat Squall with Cloud in the poll (Squall's worst
possible matchup), he ain't beating him without KHIII. After KHIII,
Squall/Sora could be interesting, depending on their respective roles. Gimme Squall > Auron --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/23/2009 4:07:09 PM | message detail |
The
next round wouldn't necessarily be uninteresting -- say we got Tifa
> Sora...in the next round, when you get rid of Squall and Auron --
which I understand both had big roles in the KH-series (especially
Squall) -- Sora could have a shot to come back strong. You can still
have the winners face Crono/Mega/Sonic/MMX afterward, too, though there
would then be the LFF-issue. Vincent would also still be free to face
one of the NN'ers. That would potentially cost us other great matches, granted, but we also don't get many opportunities to see matches where any combination of things could happen -- especially in Character Battles, especially at that level of strength -- so it is still worth considering. --- Please nominate DOC LOUIS from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! T E A M C H O C O L A T E |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/23/2009 4:07:33 PM | message detail |
Dunno, that's like saying Kratos is upper-midcarder level, and I wouldn't feel good about that. --- Placeholder anti-capslock sig. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/23/2009 4:09:18 PM | message detail |
I'm
hesitant to place Kratos at the near elite level just yet. I mean,
yeah, he beat Tifa pretty easily with Sephy there, but he still lost to
LFF'd Auron the next round. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
ZFS | Posted 11/23/2009 4:12:02 PM | message detail |
I doubt Kratos would challenge Tifa after God of War 3, but he'll probably be right around Dante's level. --- the journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/23/2009 4:12:59 PM | message detail |
Where exactly is Dante though? 45-47% on Tifa? --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
paulg235 | Posted 11/23/2009 4:14:12 PM | message detail |
Kratos
is at best mid-carder level. I don't expect GOW3 to push him to the
near-elite level, and at the most push to uppermidcarder level under
the likes of Leon Kennedy/Yoshi/Ryu. Kratos would be lucky to even surpass 40% on Tifa. He would no way get over 45% unless SFF/LFF is involved. --- The Gamer In Me My Signature's broken, just like your front door. |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/23/2009 4:14:30 PM | message detail |
The
next round wouldn't necessarily be uninteresting -- say we got Tifa
> Sora...in the next round, when you get rid of Squall and Auron --
which I understand both had big roles in the KH-series (especially
Squall) -- Sora could have a shot to come back strong. You can still
have the winners face Crono/Mega/Sonic/MMX afterward, too, though there
would then be the LFF-issue. Vincent would also still be free to face
one of the NN'ers. Well, the thing is, given that we've already had a match with 4 characters as strong as these, the next round would almost have to involve some pretty strong characters, probably Noble Niners. And while the Square near-elites going up against the lower Noble Nine is exciting, put two of them in a match together and they lose all hope of beating the Noble Niner. You can go around this by putting the Square near-elite 4-way early in the contest, but that's too early, I think, for this much strength. I guess what I'm saying is that this match is interesting, but these characters have a ton of potential for interesting matches, and it'd be better to use them separately in non-SFF situations. --- Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes. |
ZFS | Posted 11/23/2009 4:15:03 PM | message detail |
I
dunno, I've been so divorced from stats that I couldn't say. Although
when I say 'challenge' I mean close enough to potentially win instead
of just making it close, more around the 48-49% area. Dante's probably
worth about 45-46% on Tifa, I'd say. I wouldn't expect him to beat her
either. --- the journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/23/2009 4:15:16 PM | message detail |
And
while the Square near-elites going up against the lower Noble Nine is
exciting, put two of them in a match together and they lose all hope of
beating the Noble Niner. You mean like Squall/Sonic/Sora? --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
paulg235 | Posted 11/23/2009 4:15:21 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #377 Unless you think Kirby would be able to easily beat Tifa a la Sonic, no. Dante would get 40-45%, IMO. --- The Gamer In Me "paulg is a genius." - MajinZidane |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/23/2009 4:16:05 PM | message detail |
From: paulg235 | #382 Are we taking Kirby's run in the contest last year seriously? I hope not. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/23/2009 4:16:54 PM | message detail |
45-47% sounds about right for Dante against Tifa. That's what Luigi got in 2005. Kratos isn't near-elite, certainly not, but you don't have to be to break 40% on Tifa. --- Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes. |
Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/23/2009 4:17:13 PM | message detail |
I think it's pretty obvious that Squall wins debatable "third strongest FF character" discussion. 1 He's the only main character in this fourpack. 2 Dissida (not sure if I spelled this correct) will give him at least some boost. I'm not sure but isn't he the only one in this discussion? 3 He looks even more like a female than Tifa. TJF! --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. KrahenProfit > Me |
paulg235 | Posted 11/23/2009 4:18:17 PM | message detail |
I
would definitely take Kirby over Dante anyday. Dante's done nothing
recently, whereas Kirby did release the KSS DS remake not that long ago. But I wouldn't take Kirby > Tifa. Kirby would probably get like 42-47% on her. --- The Gamer In Me "paulg is a genius." - MajinZidane |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/23/2009 4:18:38 PM | message detail |
The
most Dissidia is going to do is delay a drop and cause Squall to hold
steady. I doubt it's going to have any significant effect. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/23/2009 4:19:58 PM | message detail |
Dante's done nothing recently, whereas Kirby did release the KSS DS remake not that long ago. Wasn't DMC4 released in the same year? And Kirby Super Star Ultra should do even less for Kirby than CTDS does for the Trigger crew. Brawl should have done more for Kirby than that game did. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/23/2009 4:23:22 PM | message detail |
.....Let's see the CT characters in action before deciding what CTDS did or didn't do, please! Kirby would lose to Tifa probably, but he'd get upper 40s on her. --- Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes. |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/23/2009 4:24:49 PM | message detail |
I
do think GoW3 will be big for Kratos -- Sony's going to push it big and
GoW2 came after this generation completely started so it was hard to
keep up in the same way. It'll also be a bigger gap between games than
GoW1 to GoW2 and the first GoW-game to hit the PS3. That said, he's far
from Tifa. Where's he at now, at Kirby's level when he's not
bandwagoned and standing out like crazy? That's not that great, and
GoW3 can only mean so much until it proves otherwise. --- Please nominate DOC LOUIS from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! T E A M C H O C O L A T E |
ZFS | Posted 11/23/2009 4:25:29 PM | message detail |
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Kirby beat Tifa, actually. --- the journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step |
paulg235 | Posted 11/23/2009 4:25:55 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #388 True, but I was talking about within the past year (which was around like KSSU was released). DMC4 was released right at the beginning of the year, and I've heard nothing about the next one. Also, Brawl, Like you said. Kirby was the most used character in the SE. In fact, you were forced to play as him twice in that story with no other alternative. --- The Gamer In Me "paulg is a genius." - MajinZidane |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/23/2009 4:26:21 PM | message detail |
Also,
this idea of characters needing a constant stream of new games to keep
themselves going and dropping as soon as they go a couple of years
without one is highly overrated. The erosion of strength from time is a
very gradual thing, and it takes a lot of time before you see large
drops- it's much more from younger gamers coming along who haven't
played older games than from older gamers forgetting about games
they've played before. --- Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes. |
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 11/23/2009 4:29:46 PM | message detail |
Sounds like some Crono spin to me ! --- If you're seeing this sig, I'm not on my computer! |
ZFS | Posted 11/23/2009 4:30:05 PM | message detail |
And
Dante doesn't need anything recent to keep him winning matches or from
dropping off. DMC isn't exactly a big series on GameFAQs to begin with,
and not all of the games have even been highly acclaimed, so having a
year or two off with no new games is fine. The only time a character
needs a constant stream of games to maintain their popularity is when
they live off of hype -- Master Chief comes to mind here more than
anyone. --- the journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step |
PiGuy96 | Posted 11/23/2009 4:32:10 PM | message detail |
I
think for certain characters, not having a game released in a while
definitely leads to a fast erosion of strength. We've seen KOS-MOS get
worse pretty quickly, for instance. But for mainstay characters like
Squall, it's going to take significantly more time, I agree with that.
Heck, CT was released 13 years ago and its characters have only really
dropped off in the last couple of years. --- RPGuy netbook remix |
voltch | Posted 11/23/2009 4:32:44 PM | message detail |
Dissidia may not be getting any real respect, but a Dissidia 2 PS3 game, surely would make a few heads turn right? --- Shakes Fist! |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/23/2009 4:32:46 PM | message detail |
More
like reality. If you want to look at Crono though, that's exactly what
happened to him. He got gradually weaker every year from 2004 to 2007;
he didn't ever fall off a cliff in a single year. For another case, look at the Kingdom Hearts characters that boosted in 2003. Did they come back to earth in 2004? No. 2005? No. Have they even fallen at all in the 6 years since 2003? Well, yes, but very gradually. --- Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes. |
UItimaterializer | Posted 11/23/2009 4:33:04 PM | message detail |
"uncomfortably close to Tifa" more like my mind of poll ba-dum-pssh --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ 11/15/2009 - Never forget 4th and 2. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/23/2009 4:34:29 PM | message detail |
The
bigger the game or series, the slower the erosion. Cult game characters
like Vyse will drop off pretty drastically. You don't need a game every
year to avoid a drop. It certainly doesn't hurt, but it's not necessary. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
