GameFAQs Contests

2006 was the year where I picked Nintendo over eveything except Noble Nine and Final Fantasy VII. It worked well until Zelda vs. Aeris (I got Vincent/Ganon, Luigi/Zero, Peach/Jill and Yoshi/Dante right because of it) also the noble nine didn't turn out the way I expected.
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http://oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SC2k6&type=match&match=28

About 40 of 140 in the Oracle picked Luigi (and where was I that day?)
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Yeah Luigi/Zero was one of the times where the casual owned the board.
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Vincent>Ganondorf seems so obvoius in retrospect( got it right too =D) however I always underestimate Yoshi.
Heck Bowser/Yoshi what would the concensus be?
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Shakes Fist!

too much 1v1 discussion in this topic. those days died three years ago.
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xyzzy

too much 1v1 discussion in this topic. those days died three years ago.

So what do you think we're gonna get this year? Tag team?

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From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch

I don't have any idea, but to expect 1v1 when he's clearly stated it will be a new format is a bit naive.
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xyzzy

I don't really know what else to discuss at this point.

Plus, where would we even begin discussing a format we don't even know yet?
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."

*looks at list of 10 characters*

*thinks to self: I have no clue how I'm going to rank these, but I'll probably put Red first.*

*sees everyone else putting Red last*

Well then, I'll decline on ranking that list then.
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Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes.

I almost decided to take a shot at you for your opinions of Red, but I held back! Everyone knew where you'd put Red anyway!
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."

I think the matches will be 1 vs 1 but the bracket format itself will be tweaked.
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Shakes Fist!

Round Robin.

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From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch

I can tell that there is going to be some massive overestimation on Gordon Freeman next contest.

Sub-Zero barely beat MC in 2006 and Gordon's almost on-par with him. Subby was worth ~40.5% on Auron compared to Gordon being worth ~38% on Vincent (and ~56.5% on Scorpion). That's a 53-47 match assuming Vincent/Auron are equals, which -- while close -- Vincent should be stronger. If anybody thinks there was Auron/Rydia-LFF, that helps close the gap too...though that's a longshot at best. That leaves the GameSpot-lift coupled with Valve taking advantage of its attention and Steam's outside interference to do the rest...which is possible, but I don't want to give that much credit to an outside contest and rallying (though I'm a fan of Gordon boosting this contest).

That still puts Gordon close to MC, and -- despite just saying I don't want to give much credit to rallying -- I don't think GameFAQs or the internet in general will let Gordon lose to MC, especially if it's close...which it should be. If you can beat MC in that list, you could arguably beat anybody else in that list.
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Please nominate DOC LOUIS from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
T E A M C H O C O L A T E

And yeah, until we know what the format is, what else are we supposed to discuss? Even during four-ways, we often discussed one-on-one matches. They convert into other formats fairly easily too, so...hard to blame us.

I put Red low because I'm reluctant to put another Pokemon character close to Pikachu and I don't know how high any newcomer can be at this point. I've only got Cid so high because we've seen every other playable FF7-character do well...whereas we've seen a lot of Pokemon-flops. That said, he's probably the biggest wildcard I want to see, too -- you won't hear me argue against him being stronger (or weaker) than Tidus-level until we actually see something from him. Throw your hat in the ring!
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Please nominate DOC LOUIS from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
T E A M C H O C O L A T E

seeing R/B/Y do so well is mildly encouraging, the nostalgia factor is bound to be high.
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Shakes Fist!

True, and it's scary. In fact, the lead/strongest character in most other games in the Top Twenty (whatever your top twenty games from BGE2 may be) are stronger than where most of us placed Red...so now I'm second-guessing myself on him again.

What games does Red specifically appear in? I understand Ash is in some, and I know it's Pokemon Trainer in SSBB (which I'm sure voters will associate with Red for our purposes).
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T E A M C H O C O L A T E

If they use the classic sprite before being minimized people will remember their first adventure and their first hall of fame.
Red is basically what everyone was a long time ago, he represents the first journey into the pokemon world, that's my theory anyway.
But Classic 151, 1st gen seems to get the most respect out of anything pokemon related, so if he's strong I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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Shakes Fist!

Red is going to get destroyed because he's pretty much a shell for the player to project themselves on, and he'd fair about as well as any other PC in Pokemon games, or a little better thanks to internet dwellers actually knowing who the devil he is.

I heard a comparison between Red and Link one time in terms of roles, but to me, it's complete garbage. Your Pokemon felt more like playable characters than Red did, and you formed bonds with them, not your character.
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It may be insulting, but it's true!
Now this is entertainment!

Also, let's not forget that Gordon's running of a GameSpot championship high, and his game probably sold quite a bit during the Steam sale.

There's reason to consider him legit this year.
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It may be insulting, but it's true!
Now this is entertainment!

Again, I'm not sure how much overlap the GameSpot contest will have with ours. I won't completely discount it, but I won't bet on it when filling out my bracket either. Freeman's been "legit" since 2006, but I'm not entirely sure where his ceiling is.
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"Stay with me until the end. Please."
"Not until the end. Always."

What games does Red specifically appear in? I understand Ash is in some, and I know it's Pokemon Trainer in SSBB (which I'm sure voters will associate with Red for our purposes).

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He's the main character in Pokemon RBY and the FireRed and LeafGreen remakes. "Red" and Ash" are default name choices for the main character in RBY(although it's "Blue" instead of "Red" in Blue version). I believe "Red" is a suggested name if you don't put one in in the remakes. He's the final boss of Pokemon GSC and the remakes HeartGold and SoulSilver. He goes by the name "Red" in all of these games. In SSBB he goes by the name Pokemon Trainer. Many people consider Ash from the anime to be the same person as Red. Red is also in the Pokemon manga but I'm not familar with the details on that.
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Nominate Pokemon Trainer Red for GameFAQs' Character Battle 8 Contest!
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/nominate_entry

I think we had a decent overlap with their contest, though I don't know how much of an overlap they have with our contests. That's still a BIG victory for Gordon though -- that wasn't just another PC-site or just another award for the HL-series. GameSpot's seen by more people than any other gaming website other than maybe IGN and is console-territory, and I imagine lots of GameFAQers took notice when he won. He's now got more recognition from those previously unfamiliar, more acceptance as a fan-favorite, more attention to the Steam-forums in case he gets in trouble, and more fans who may have taken advantage of Steam's deals after his victory. That's a nice spotlight to have on you for a character who's been becoming more and more legit here in recent years.

It should help him become a bit stronger on his own and have a better chance at pulling out close matches. Nothing major, but I think we'll notice it.
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In the Manga Red actually gets OLDER, that's got to count for something, also he evolves his pokemon, he's closer to what to the game Red than Ash.
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Shakes Fist!

Well, we've seen both Nintendo (Link) and RPGs (Crono) have silent protagonists be major forces, and Pokemon's a Nintendo RPG...and he's been both the lead and the final boss in the series before, neverminding the show/movies/manga. He was also one of the most anticipated newcomers to the SSBB-series...

...but I think it's for the same reason people like the Pokemon games: for the Pokemon he controlled, like already mentioned. PT's just in the background for the fights of SSBB, much like Red is for the fights of Pokemon. Link is THE face of the LoZ-series (despite Zelda's name in it), and you kick ass with him. Crono is THE face of CT, and you kick ass with him. Two or three different Pokemon are the faces of each generation of Pokemon, and Pikachu is the face for the series as well. We've also seen games with large ensemble casts have difficulty finding a real respectable character before -- FF3/6 being our current biggest example.

I trust Red to do well enough and there's a lot of evidence with his games and role to do well, but I think he means something different to gamers than Link and Crono. Who knows what that means contest-wise -- that's why he's such a wildcard. For being the main character for probably the #2-RPG at GameFAQs of all places though, I think the suspicion is justified. Not necessarily right, but there's some legitimacy to the argument of how gamers may relate to him differently.
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The comparison to Link and Crono is what makes me so excited about Red- the most excited I've been about a newcomer in years. That, plus the fact that far from my expectations for RBY being too high before the contest, my expectations actually weren't high enough. I pushed it for several months as a potential (bottom end of the) top 10 game in this topic, when that was considered an outrageous opinion, before stupidly not picking it to go far due to overestimating the power of LFF and underestimating just how strong RBY is.

My Zelda 1 hype train on the other hand went absolutely nowhere, but I'll gladly take 1/2 on these types of upsets.
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Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes.

I have little faith in Red. He's an avatar, and not really his own character like Link and Crono are. He's not the focus of the game, the Pokemon are. If anything, I'd expect him to get some anti-votes due to people associating him with that worthless piece of **** Ash Ketchum. **** you, Ash.

Don't know how Charizard will do, but I do think he'll be closer to Pikachu than to Mewtwo. I have faith he'll be a solid midcarder, at least. I can't see him not being the second-strongest Pokemon after the Chu.

Zero's irrelevant now, and Mega Man's pretty much been kicked in the robot-nads, so I don't have faith in him. Which is a shame, because it'd be hilarious to watch him beat Sonic. Then again, it'd be hilarious to watch cancer beat Sonic (in a contest match, though Sonic Team making a game where Sonic battles cancer wouldn't surprise me), so whatever.
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Mega Man is doing fine, so I don't know where that's coming from.
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It may be insulting, but it's true!
Now this is entertainment!

I think people comparing Red to Link and Crono are just kidding themselves, but that's my personal opinion. The main thing they have in common is that they don't talk, and I don't think the reason most people like Link and Crono because they don't talk. Yeah, Red is the character you control, but you don't fight with him. You fight with the Pokemon. Yeah, RBY turned out to be a force, but I still have low expectations for Red. Being a silent protagonist like Link and Crono isn't worth anything. He's got to have more than that.
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"Stay with me until the end. Please."
"Not until the end. Always."

There are reasons for Red to be weak, but there are just as many reasons for Red to be strong. Anyone who doesn't think he has a huge range is kidding themselves.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

Yeah, there's always "potential" for Red to be strong, but I think he's got more potential to be a dud than to be worth something. I just think that the comparisons to Link and Crono are nonsense.
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."

Actually, the comparisons are (mostly) spot-on.

When I was frequenting the GameSpot boards during their contest season, I remember there was one topic that asked who people who their favorite character was an why. Every single person answered 'because I like the games they're in'.

Granted, Red has less reason to be associated with Pokemon RBY than say...Link with OoT, but saying he'll be anywhere near fodder is...impossible. Tidus is one of the most hated characters I know, and he's still a midcarder simply because FFX is a beloved game.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

Tidus has some of the most outspoken haters I know. I didn't say he'd be fodder; I don't think he will be. I don't think he'll beat the most prominent Pokemon either though.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

"He" being Red.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

He probably doesn't beat Charizard or Pikachu, but the potential is there....he's also got the potential to be much higher than either of them, but I doubt that happens, yeah.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

That's all I'm trying to say. When people compare him to Link and Crono, that basically tells me that they expect him to be the strongest character from the game (or at least think it's a good possibility). I don't think there's much chance of that.
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"Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!"
"Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!"

Depends on how many people connect him to the face of Pokemon RBY. People say Pikachu (or Ash) is the face of Pokemon in general, but I think RBY on its own > Pokemon as a whole. DP proved that GameFAQs really only cares about Pokemon before it 'sold out'.

You could say Charizard might be considered the face of RBY...but, well, there were 3 starters, and Blastoise wasn't that far behind 'zard in how many people picked him (neither was Venasaur, either, but he has design issues).

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

DP proved that GameFAQs really only cares about Pokemon before it 'sold out'.

Pokemon GS also did quite well.

You could say Charizard might be considered the face of RBY...but, well, there were 3 starters, and Blastoise wasn't that far behind 'zard in how many people picked him (neither was Venasaur, either, but he has design issues).

Charizard also has his role in the Pokemon anime on his side.
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Nominate Pokemon Trainer Red for GameFAQs' Character Battle 8 Contest!
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/nominate_entry

Blastoise is where it's at!
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"Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!"
"Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!"

Gold only came 2 years out after Red and is still in the right timeframe (and was really good, AND part of the reason people love it so much is because you can visit the places from RBY). Ruby is where things really started to go downhill as 1. People were sick of Pokemon marketing in general 2. It wasn't very good compared to RBY or GS.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

I do expect Red to be the strongest character from his game. The problem with the pokemon is that there are 151 of them- that's basically the ultimate ensemble cast. Moreover, you really can't relate to a pokemon in the way you can relate to a human character- Red will have fans who will vote him over nearly anyone, while no pokemon is going to much at all in the way of that kind of support.
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Link he come to town to dominate all other characters and trample them down with his sword of more votes.

You could say Charizard might be considered the face of RBY...but, well, there were 3 starters, and Blastoise wasn't that far behind 'zard in how many people picked him (neither was Venasaur, either, but he has design issues).

Charizard is the most popular Pokemon in RBY because of the anime and because his trading card was the hardest to find. Pikachu is probably stronger overall because of it being marketed big time, but among Pokemon fans from that generation, nothing is touching Charizard.
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Good Times,
Great Memories

Yeah, there are 151 Pokemon in the first generation, but there were still a handful of standout ones that people loved and talked about.
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"Stay with me until the end. Please."
"Not until the end. Always."

Moreover, you really can't relate to a pokemon in the way you can relate to a human character- Red will have fans who will vote him over nearly anyone, while no pokemon is going to much at all in the way of that kind of support.

You're completely backwards on that. If it wasn't for Ash in the anime, no one would even know who Red was. The Pokemon are the stars of that series, the humans are just there to control the Pokemon.
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

Moreover, you really can't relate to a pokemon in the way you can relate to a human character- Red will have fans who will vote him over nearly anyone, while no pokemon is going to much at all in the way of that kind of support.


Come on. People get attached to Pokemon... like pets. Man, I loved my level 100 Charizard. He was awessome.
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For your health.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, KrahenProphet

I'm pretty sure Charizard would stomp Pikachu head-on. One of those 'No WAY I am voting that rat over the 'zard' mentalities, even if Pikachu would possible be stronger indirectly.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

Uh, everyone who played the game knows who Red is, even if they don't know him by that name. And that's what match pics are for.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

From: KamikazePotato | #495
I'm pretty sure Charizard would stomp Pikachu head-on. One of those 'No WAY I am voting that rat over the 'zard' mentalities, even if Pikachu would possible be stronger indirectly.

Like Magus/Crono!
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Uh, everyone who played the game knows who Red is, even if they don't know him by that name. And that's what match pics are for.

Of course people will recognize him, mostly because they're picturing Ash. He won't be stronger then the "star" Pokemon though. Pikachu/Charizard/Mewtwo/any starters will be stronger.
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Good Times,
Great Memories

1. Charizard is much more applicable as a main character than Pikachu is. Situation is reversed.
2. Magus' fanbase was so overrated. He wasn't anywhere near as likable in the game as, say, Auron was.

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KrahenProphet lived up to his name.

O'Doyle rules
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"Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!"
"Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!"