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I hope we get the new AC2 character in. Ezio or whatever.
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Duke would double Sackboy.

I think Sackboy will actually be weaker next year than last year. LittleBigPlanet was the type of game that has huge levels of hype but pretty much becomes a non-entity as soon as it comes out, kinda like Spore, Scribblenauts, or every game Peter Molyneux has ever created.
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Hah, that's fantastic. Does Ezio get in, or does Altair simply get all of his strength?
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If I had to choose, I'd much rather get Altair in. Even from the name, he seems cooler than Ezio, and since they're so similar there's no reason for him to remain at the same level or boost.
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Duke double Sackboy? Come on, Sackboy wasn't far away from Wesker with NO games released WITH Solid Snake in the poll, plus he was the first guy to make a contest without a game...so people want to like him. LBP was probably in the top five games from last year and its PSP-game is getting decent commercial-time right now. Getting his two games in the past year and getting away from Solid should make him look a lot better, especially with his likable design and the PS3's recent success.

Duke's old enough and not much above Kefka, so he's certainly beatable. I'd likely take Duke, but Sackboy shouldn't be out of it by any means. A Sackboy/Kefka match would probably be better though.
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LBP hype was bigger back then too, though. I never hear anybody talk about it anymore.
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Hey contest season, maybe I'll start posting here again. Alright... *cracks knuckles*

*ahem*

I would've taken Duke to do more than double. Wasn't he a total joke in the Gamespot contest too? Oh ho ho ho.
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Granted, though that doesn't necessarily weaken him. It just means he's not new anymore, which is better than not really existing.
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LBP hype was bigger back then too, though. I never hear anybody talk about it anymore.

It's rare for any game to still get talked about frequently a year after its release.

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...true, he did lose hard to Hayabusa who Duke killed. I meant to look into there contest.

It's worth noting that GameFAQs =/= GameSpot and Duke's nowhere near as strong here as there, but Sackboy's performance there was still lame, I'll grant you that!
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And it should also be noted that PS3 characters, like Nathan Drake and Kratos, seem stronger on Gamespot then here... so Sackboy might actually be stronger there too
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Sackboy isn't going to be all that popular anywhere. He's better than random bottom tier RPG characters, he could maybe hang with Duke Nukem here, but for the most part, he probably won't beat anyone people know.

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Hey HaR, you wouldn't happen to have a link with Allen confirming that the format will be new, right? I don't remember where that popped up.
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SBAllen | Posted 10/9/2009 5:24:02 PM | message detail
Now then, for an announcement. This one's about the Character Battle. There's good news and there's bad news. I'll start with the bad news. Due to the time of the year and the timing of GameSpot's pretty similar contest, it simply doesn't make sense to do the CB until the beginning of next year (that is, beginning the battles in mid-January). There simply isn't enough time to get a great bracket and run the entire contest without running into all kinds of holidays. We will however start up the preliminary actvities such as character nominations and bracket entries this year, so that's something to look forward to. The good news is that this coming Character Battle will NOT, repeat NOT, be a 4-man format like the last two battles. I know that this will make many people happy and hopefully make it worth the wait. Stay tuned for more details about the new format (one that we haven't used before!) and more about the timing of the battle.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=11&topic=51711735

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it's like he's admitting 4 way was a bad idea.
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Pokemon Trainer Red has been added to the database!

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Hooray no fourways, boo tag teams probably.

Threeways would be even worse than fourways and we can't have straight 1v1s because that would make everyone too happy...so what else is there? The only formats I can think of off the top of my head are tag teams (boo on principle, but could be interesting) and round robin (which would be genuinely interesting and perhaps allow for a larger field).
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Zen brought up a good idea yesterday

4 ways first 2 rounds, then 1v1 the rest of the way.
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That's what we tried to get Bacon to change to for the Games contest, to no avail. And the obvious problem is that after the first round, we've already seen the second round.
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Round robins (with 1v1 matches) could be good, although I'm actually rather interested in a tag team contest.
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You people need to stop hatin on the Duke. He did fine last year fighting out of fodder land.
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i like the idea of round robins, only that would make the contest last forever.
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Round robins would be that bad if you broke it into groups of 4 and had the top record advance each time.

4 guys = 6 matches with round robin to get the winner of the 4
4 guys = 3 matches with elimination to get the winner of the 4

So double the matches unless I'm doing something wrong, which I probably am.
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Wouldn't be that bad, rather.
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Yeah, you'd almost have to run multiple matches per day in a round robin tournament.

Hm. Field of 64, 4 characters/group for 16 total groups, 2 characters advance out of the group to go to single elimination.

2 matches per day (all four members of a group are up on the same day) means each group gets 3 days in the first round, for 48 total days. Second round and on are normal, so 16+8+4+2+1=31 days for the later rounds. 79 total days, that's pretty long. If you make it so only one character gets out of the group, you lose 16 days to cut it down to the normal 63 days, but that's fairly harsh for characters stuck in a group with, say, Link.

Oh well, I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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Round robin seems unlikely. too many matches, not enough entrants.
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Double-elimination with 2 matches a day?
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I just noticed the nominations are already on the front page. Didnt it take like a month to get em there last contest?
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If you make it so only one character gets out of the group, you lose 16 days to cut it down to the normal 63 days, but that's fairly harsh for characters stuck in a group with, say, Link.

They still get 3 matches, which all anyone in an 8-pack with Link would normally get. So actually, it means more representation for the characters, but less high-end 1-on-1s.

All in all though, I like it.
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I have a feeling that we will get 128 character bracket 1v1. The contest is starting in Janurary so it could work
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I have a feeling that we will get 128 character bracket 1v1. The contest is starting in Janurary so it could work

i have too little faith in Bacon to do something this epic
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Yay! A new contest! Maybe I'll start posting here again!

I would love a 128 1vs.1. It has the possibility to be epic.

If you have to combine formats, just do the top 32 characters get byes, and you have 4 ways for a bonus two weeks to decide who gets in as the lower seeds. You'd get two weeks of close four way matches, get most of the major characters in, and get the best possible 1v1s as well.
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I just noticed the nominations are already on the front page. Didnt it take like a month to get em there last contest?

I think so.

And nice to see nominations on the front page. I think there were about 7000 in one day after the form was put up. Hopefully nominations will skyrocket now and I'm expecting this week's SBallin'! topic to also have a link to the nomination form.
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Round robins (with 1v1 matches) could be good, although I'm actually rather interested in a tag team contest.

Tag team contest would be interesting, as I could see it being tough to predict. Here's an example of a tricky match to predict:

Link/Agent J
Cloud Strife/Solid Snake

I know this set-up would never occur for a round 1 match. With my example, Link would be capable of smashing Cloud or Snake easily one-on-one. However, Link is paired up with a piece of known uber fodder. Given Link's extreme contest strength here, he might still be able defeat the other team even though he has uber fodder on his team.

As far as how the general bracket maker goes, they'll probably put their faith in the Link team to win a match like this, given Link's past history of winning contests.. So with enough bracket support, the Link team would team, although the combined strength of Cloud/Snake would be greater than Link.
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Link/Agent J
Cloud Strife/Solid Snake

Bad example for a tag team match; going by last year's final, Link/Crono would lose to Cloud/Snake by around 46% to 54%. How would Link flip the result when Crono is replaced by fodder?
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Bad example for a tag team match; going by last year's final, Link/Crono would lose to Cloud/Snake by around 46% to 54%. How would Link flip the result when Crono is replaced by fodder?

I mean, you are right that the combined percentages of Link/Crono is less than that of Cloud/Snake. But this is ****ing Link you are dealing with. Considering how much of a force Link is in these contests, casual bracket makers would probably choose the Link team to win the match, even though there are 2 other characters on the opposing team that are much better/popular than the piece of fodder Link is teamed up with.

I don't know if the results of 4-ways would actually be accurate indicators of how tag team matches would turn out.

Also, given Cloud's horrible first hour, that might hurt Cloud's team a bit early on to give Link's team time to build up a lead on the other team. Although I'm not sure how trends would play out with tag team match. Link is known for his bad night vote and good day vote and I don't know if teaming him up with someone like Solid Snake would make Link's team not do as bad during the night vote as would be expected, though it should also weaken his day vote a bit.
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Last year's final isn't really a good example, because that wasn't a normal Snake there.

Also, even if that weren't the case, Link/Crono vs. Cloud/Snake isn't exactly the same as taking a 4-way match and adding percentages: with the 4-way you're seeing the percentage that has Link as the favorite out of the 4 plus the percentage that as Crono as the favorite out of the 4. But, you could easily vote for one of Link and Crono, and then vote Cloud/Snake the team over Link/Crono the team, or the other way around.
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Yeah, I think the fourway/tag team distinction is kinda like the games/series distinction that some of us made for the series contest, Halo and Castlevania being the standout example. (Any Halo game beats any Castlevania game, yet CV beat Halo). I think that would come into effect for tag teams as well, where a voter doesn't necessarily choose their favorite character but rather their favorite team. (That is the point, right?)
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Pre-LoZ:TP, but also pre-SSBB/MGS4. Add Agent J and you have a nearly-literal non-factor. It will then mainly be a battle between people who love Link more than Cloud AND Solid against the people who like Cloud/Solid more than Link PLUS the people who think Cloud and Solid together are cooler than Link. Throw in that very people people will recognize Agent J so that may jeopardize Link's strength a little bit, and you have to bet the barn on Cloud/Solid.
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I think Cloud/Snake should be a pretty heavy favorite against Link/Agent J, but I'd take Link/Crono over Cloud/Snake.

There are people who would vote Link over anyone, but that number is nowhere near 50%- Link was pushed down to 27% in the Battle Royale against 5 other characters, with none of them teamed together against him.
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There's one more match with Link/Cloud/Snake: the 2007 final. After tossing out the L-Block votes:
Link - 44.73%
Cloud - 36.82%
Snake - 18.45%

Link's strength is insane, but he isn't going to beat Cloud/Snake if his teammate is low-level fodder. And yeah, fourway results won't translate perfectly to tag-team, but it's still probably the best approximation we can get with the information we have.
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There's one more match with Link/Cloud/Snake: the 2007 final. After tossing out the L-Block votes:
Link - 44.73%
Cloud - 36.82%
Snake - 18.45%

Link's strength is insane, but he isn't going to beat Cloud/Snake if his teammate is low-level fodder. And yeah, fourway results won't translate perfectly to tag-team, but it's still probably the best approximation we can get with the information we have.

Let's not forget the Battle Royale, where the Final 3 were... Link, Cloud, and Snake.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2565

Which actually closely match the percentages above, except for Snake being a bit weaker in the 2007 finale, though then again in 2006 Snake just barely squeaked by freaking Sephiroth at the last minute, thus likely overinflating his percentage.
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Still, I think tag teams are stupid because how do you justify matching characters? You can't make any real comparisons from year to year, because Link/Agent J isn't going to be the same as Link/Knuckles or Link/Magus or Link/Weighted Companion Cube. At least in fourways you could still compare individual characters and games, even if the comparisons are much more tricky to due because of LFF and other difficult factors. How the hell are you going to accurately judge Bayonetta's strength if she's stuck with Tingle?

Though the inevitable Kirby/Dante pairing would be worth the cheap laugh.
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Everyone in here needs to nominate Epona.
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For me personally though, I would vote Crono over pretty much any team, no matter who was paired with him. I might have to think about it if Crono were to draw Sonic as a teammate, or a visual novel character, or someone I really don't like, but even then, a couple rounds of supporting Crono should be more than sufficient to whip up the fanboyism in me to a high enough level to vote for such a team over my #2 and #3 characters.
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what if it was Crono/Master Chief vs. Link/Zelda
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Any particular reason why you dislike Visual Novel characters? >_>

As for me, I would vote Vyse over just about any teams of 2. Mostly because Vyse isn't going to do so well.

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Crono/MC, easy. Zelda adds nothing, and I don't really dislike MC anymore. Crono >>>>> Link
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