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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 756

Meeks54 | Posted 11/17/2009 4:27:01 PM | message detail
So. You are saying mgs is stronger than rby because mgs would have beaten rby had viii not been there. While completely ignorirng the fact that rby was up against the mother
of all sff
hammers?
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/17/2009 4:29:54 PM | message detail
Well yeah, MGS should have beaten RBY with just OOT in there. Take out OOT and FFVIII though, and RBY wins by a good deal more than it won by in the contest.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/17/2009 4:29:54 PM | message detail
No, I'm saying that, had FF8 not laid a huge log in MGS' path, MGS would have defeated a SFFed RBY rather easily instead of losing narrowly to it.
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Meeks54 | Posted 11/17/2009 7:44:03 PM | message detail
Ok. That makes more sense
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/17/2009 8:14:45 PM | message detail
5 months later, let's rank the top 20 games again:

Tier 1 (~3% from top to bottom)
1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Final Fantasy VII

Huge Gap (~11%)

Tier 2 (~5% from top to bottom)
3. Pokemon: Red/Blue/Yellow (~37% on OOT)
4. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
5. Super Mario 64
6. Chrono Trigger
7. Super Smash Bros. Melee
8. Super Mario World
9. Super Mario Bros. 3
10. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
11. Metal Gear Solid
12. Final Fantasy X
13. Goldeneye 007 (~33% on OOT)

Small Gap (~3%)

Tier 3 (~2% from top to bottom)
14. Metal Gear Solid 4 (~31% on OOT)
15. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
16. Final Fantasy VIII
17. Resident Evil 4
18. Kingdom Hearts 2
19. Kingdom Hearts
20. Final Fantasy VI (~30% on OOT)
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/17/2009 8:35:57 PM | message detail
I thought we agreed MGS and FF8 probably didn't bother each other. Solid/Squall #2 and #3 looked fine in the grand scheme of things, Solid/Squall #1 was Squall's only match pre-KH (as a 15-seed!) so we can't fairly say if there was SFF there or not, and the main cases of MGS/FF-SFF are because of FF7 (Seph killed Liquid, FF7 killed MGS). It's not like we're blaming SFF for how FFX smacked MGS2 around this year, or how MGS turned a once-even match against FFT into a blow-out, or probably other examples without FF7 involved. I haven't heard anything about FFX/MGS4 suffering from LFF in their semi-final, either (though that example features different consoles).

I get that MGS is pretty close to RBY in that match (it's a 52-48 match with FF8 and LoZ:OoT), but we just haven't seen a lot suggesting that kind of overlap as damaging. Even if the overlap hurt MGS, having a big-name RPG from the FF-series probably didn't do RBY any favors either. I think RBY would have beaten MGS in that match with or without FF8.
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Meeks54 | Posted 11/17/2009 8:43:52 PM | message detail
I'm not going to rank the top 20, cause way too much of that is very unclear. However the top 10 I will gladly do.


(God mod Tier)
OoT

(Ocarina of Time's ***** tier)
Final Fantasy VII

(Elite Tier)
Pokemon RBY
Super Mario 64
A Link to the Past
Chrono Trigger


(High Tier)
Brawl
Melee
World
3


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red sox 777 | Posted 11/17/2009 8:44:15 PM | message detail
Well, MGS3 and RE4 did appear to hurt each other, as well as MGS4 and Fallout 3. FFVII/MGS has always looked like SFF, although it's possible that it wasn't and CT/SSBM's overperformances were absolutely huge. There's been no direct evidence for MGS/FFVIII overlap, but at this point I'd generally assume some overlap to exist when there is an obvious reason for it to. (Both are major, story-driven, games on the PS1).
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red sox 777 | Posted 11/17/2009 8:46:48 PM | message detail
And speaking of MGS3, it probably belongs on my top 20 list right with RE4 and the KH games, knocking FFVI out.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/17/2009 9:15:33 PM | message detail
I believe in FF7/MGS SFF because I trust FF7 to take any PS1-game down a notch in the same way LoZ:OoT can kick any N64-game's ass unreasonably bad. No other consoles have a single game so clearly ahead of the rest of the console's library except maybe RBY on the Game Boy, and I'd like to see RBY go against some handheld games like LoZ:LA just to test that (though we already saw RBY beat a color-version of itself).
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voltch | Posted 11/18/2009 4:27:53 PM | message detail
CONTEST SEASON IS BAAAAAACK!
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/18/2009 4:28:34 PM | message detail
FINALLY! Does anybody remember the characters who won the NRT?
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paulg235 | Posted 11/18/2009 4:29:12 PM | message detail
Charizard, Darth Revan, Cid Highwind, Yoshimitsu, and Ken Masters.
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voltch | Posted 11/18/2009 4:31:26 PM | message detail
what a great day this is.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/18/2009 4:39:16 PM | message detail
Indeed. Question for everyone: if it's possible, should we nom Bayonetta to see if she has some contest strength?
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/18/2009 4:41:10 PM | message detail
If Sackboy made it, I don't see why not.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/18/2009 4:42:01 PM | message detail
EXCELLENT.

Everybody, remember to save a spot for whoever KrakenProphet (sp?) picks for his Guru-nomination. The NRT-winners have already been mentioned. Please give a nod to Doc Louis if you run out of characters, as a personal favor...!
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voltch | Posted 11/18/2009 4:42:29 PM | message detail
huh, how many noms is it?
if we get 15 it's not gonna look good.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 11/18/2009 4:43:34 PM | message detail
Vault Boy, *****es.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/18/2009 4:43:35 PM | message detail

From: voltch | #268
huh, how many noms is it?
if we get 15 it's not gonna look good.


You may nominate up to 15 of what you consider to be the best video game characters of all time.
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voltch | Posted 11/18/2009 4:44:29 PM | message detail
*loads gun*
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charmander6000 | Posted 11/18/2009 4:51:19 PM | message detail
Well I've picked my 15, if KP ever shows up and tells us who he wants I'll probably dump Ms. Pac-Man or Ike.
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FFDragon | Posted 11/18/2009 4:52:52 PM | message detail
We should give Wesker a post RE5 chance imooooooooooooooooooooo
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/18/2009 4:53:15 PM | message detail
Bayonetta
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/18/2009 4:54:18 PM | message detail
Wesker's gonna BOMB BABY BOMB IMO. If RE4 didn't make him decent, nothing will.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/18/2009 4:54:51 PM | message detail
Archer and Red you heathens

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Liwakip | Posted 11/18/2009 4:55:33 PM | message detail
Valve better interfere with this contest as they did Gamespot. For the lulz.
voltch | Posted 11/18/2009 4:56:14 PM | message detail
Chris and Bayonetta are ones i'd really love to see.
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RustyRuinsAct2 | Posted 11/18/2009 4:56:49 PM | message detail
i'm pretty sure Tim has a good shot at getting in
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AmazingKirby | Posted 11/18/2009 4:57:56 PM | message detail
Guys, you know who was snubbed last year and needs to be in again!

Rikku and Yuna!
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paulg235 | Posted 11/18/2009 4:58:38 PM | message detail
No one likes Rikku. Yuna is possible.
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FFDragon | Posted 11/18/2009 5:00:00 PM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | Posted: 11/18/2009 7:54:18 PM | #275
Wesker's gonna BOMB BABY BOMB IMO. If RE4 didn't make him decent, nothing will.


He was in RE4 for like 30 seconds in the original in Assignment Ada and like 5 minutes once Separate Ways came out so if you just played the main game you'd never even see him. RE5 had him as the major villain and boss fight. I can't see how you can in any way call his roles between those two games comparable in the slightes--

Oh. Kan. Right.
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ZFS | Posted 11/18/2009 5:00:24 PM | message detail
Needs some Chun Li SF4 boost book it

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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/18/2009 5:01:20 PM | message detail

From: FFDragon | #282
He was in RE4 for like 30 seconds in the original in Assignment Ada and like 5 minutes once Separate Ways came out so if you just played the main game you'd never even see him. RE5 had him as the major villain and boss fight. I can't see how you can in any way call his roles between those two games comparable in the slightes--

Oh. Kan. Right.


Nope, I can think of a couple examples of characters who show up for five seconds and still boosted from hyped games. Wesker didn't, ergo he's only worthy of a nom once all the stronger characters are in the clear.
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voltch | Posted 11/18/2009 5:01:27 PM | message detail
every contest needs fanservice I vote for rikku this time(what with having actaully played FFX since last contest).
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FFDragon | Posted 11/18/2009 5:02:46 PM | message detail
Care to share these examples of characters not in the main game boosting, because I for one can't think of one off the top of my head!
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ZFS | Posted 11/18/2009 5:04:06 PM | message detail
Wesker's probably one of the better nominations you could do. After seeing Ocelot post-MGS4, I doubt RE5 Wesker is much better, but hey maybe!

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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/18/2009 5:04:06 PM | message detail

From: FFDragon | #286
Care to share these examples of characters not in the main game boosting, because I for one can't think of one off the top of my head!


Liquid boosting from MGS4 is the first one. Heck, he doesn't even show up and yet he inexplicably increased in strength while Ocelot didn't due to his name getting thrown around.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/18/2009 5:04:33 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #287
Wesker's probably one of the better nominations you could do. After seeing Ocelot post-MGS4, I doubt RE5 Wesker is much better, but hey maybe!


Funny, two sides of the same coin if we combine my post and yours, Aitch Em. :P
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/18/2009 5:04:39 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52301448

I'll send SB a feedback-ticket to the above topic in probably a week if you're interested in joining in. I'm gonna try to get our requests heard.
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FFDragon | Posted 11/18/2009 5:05:59 PM | message detail
Well there's the whole part about everyone thinking Ocelot was Liquid and thus calling him Liquid throughout the entire game until the very last fight where it's revealed that he's not really Liquid so that doesn't really count. I think Liquid boosted more than Ocelot even, and that's entirely why.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/18/2009 5:06:53 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #290
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=52301448

I'll send SB a feedback-ticket to the above topic in probably a week if you're interested in joining in. I'm gonna try to get our requests heard.


Awesome as always, HaR! You've got my support there.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/18/2009 5:07:04 PM | message detail
It still blows my mind Ocelot beat Jill pre-MGS4 and lost post-MGS4.
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FFDragon | Posted 11/18/2009 5:10:02 PM | message detail
I'm willing to bet over half the people who played MGS4 ended the game thinking Ocelot was actually Liquid.
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voltch | Posted 11/18/2009 5:12:30 PM | message detail
yeah,but that half are people who don't go on gamefaqs, this site's MGS players seem pretty hardcore to me.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 11/18/2009 5:25:19 PM | message detail
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Also Charizard
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 11/18/2009 5:50:21 PM | message detail
Bayonetta is one of the names the nomination for can suggest so she's allowed in.
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Master Moltar | Posted 11/18/2009 5:53:08 PM | message detail
is it really that time of the year again
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 11/18/2009 5:54:01 PM | message detail
What do you guys think. Can we expect Dissida to boost the FF characters a bit?
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 11/18/2009 5:54:37 PM | message detail

From: Master Moltar | #298
is it really that time of the year again


Yes. It's time to revive the Analysis Crew!
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