GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 753
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:22:13 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #150 Brawl more or less lived up to the hype. Just because there were some vocal people against it doesn't mean it wasn't an amazing success. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 7/23/2009 8:22:46 PM | message detail |
char,
I normally respect your opinions and hold them in high regard, but
you're crazy if you think Brawl would have ever had a shot at FFVII.
The gap there is way too big. --- "Krahenprophet's easy to read. But hard to guard." "Many stories ended here today, but yours goes on, I see." |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:26:34 PM | message detail |
BTW
Leon, did you ever bother to get any preliminary xstats for the game
contest? And if you did, how did Brawl and Melee stick up against
eachother? --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 7/23/2009 8:29:42 PM | message detail |
Brawl
didn't live up to the hype, no, not when its core fanbase hates it and
it's just a nice, casual, fun party game to its non-core fanbase.
Notice that FFVII and OOT are both far far far more than a nice casual
party game to their respective fanbases. You're not going to beat those
games without a huge fanbase that absolutely loves a game. Had the game lived up to its insane hype, it just might have had a very outside shot at FFVII, after release of course. I'd expect Melee to be a lot stronger now in that case too (as in easily above "tier 2," as I think it was for a couple years). --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:31:06 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #154 The game has better sales and reviews then Melee. I'd call that a success. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 7/23/2009 8:33:19 PM | message detail |
It was successful, but that doesn't mean it lived up to the hype. --- KrahenProphet, he come to town! Come to win the GameFAQs Contest! Congrats to KrahenProphet on winning the Best Game Ever 2009 Guru Contest! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:35:00 PM | message detail |
Maybe
I don't understand exactly how big the hype was. But in general it
seems it was better received then Melee (like it stood up better
against OoT then Melee did), it sodl better, and got better reviews
then Melee. I don't see how thats not living up to the hype. Sure, some
tourney people might whine, but those are hardly the majority. And
elitists whine about every big sequel not being exactly like the game
they've played for years since they can't accept change. Its nothing
new. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 7/23/2009 8:35:06 PM | message detail |
But
it was a failure compared to its colossal hype, and fulfilling its
absurd levels of hype was the only way it was ever going to contend
with FFVII or OOT. And you know that reviews are completely irrelevant,
and it is true that there is a lot more Melee fanboyism than Brawl
fanboyism. --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:37:00 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #158 If that is true, why did Brawl do much better against OoT? You'd think fanboyism would help it hold up better to SFF, but Brawl fans apparently were more loyal to not jump ship to OoT. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 7/23/2009 8:39:30 PM | message detail |
Triple
SFF, Last Place Factor.....we've seen this before. Being at the bottom
end of an SFF ladder with 3 games is not a good place to be in. Whether
or not Brawl would beat Melee (I'll grant that it's questionable),
Brawl probably wouldn't have fared much better if at all had RBY been
in its match. --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:40:28 PM | message detail |
I wouldn't say Melee was at the end of the SFF ladder. I still think Melee and Brawl would beat out RBY in a 1v1 match. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2009 8:42:09 PM | message detail |
The hype for Brawl was huge, especially on the internet. If you thought Twilight Princess hype was big Brawl dwarfed that. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3004 Those were all big titles and Brawl smashed them http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3050 Heck almost 3/4 of the site wanted the game. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Krahenprophet for winning the guru contest |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:43:16 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #162 Any game with that kind of hype is going to disappoint if it was that big. It has nothing to do with quality, just too many expectations. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2009 8:45:20 PM | message detail |
I'm just saying that with that kind of hype it could have won BGE2 or come a lot closer than it did despite not being released. As the hype died down so did its strength, here's a poll after three months of its release. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Krahenprophet for winning the guru contest |
red sox 777 | Posted 7/23/2009 8:45:59 PM | message detail |
I wouldn't say Melee was at the end of the SFF ladder. I still think Melee and Brawl would beat out RBY in a 1v1 match. So....RBY was at the bottom of the SFF ladder even though it won 60-40 against Melee? Well then. Also, hardcore fanbase theory has been discredited repeatedly by results....it's a sensible theory, but results have always rejected it. --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:46:44 PM | message detail |
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 7/23/2009 8:47:21 PM | message detail |
If
it was anywhere close to living up the the hype after release, I could
see it beating OoT. I don't think hype alone would have been enough to
beat FF7 or OoT. --- KrahenProphet, he come to town! Come to win the GameFAQs Contest! Congrats to KrahenProphet on winning the Best Game Ever 2009 Guru Contest! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:47:24 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #165 Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant by SFF ladder. I thought you meant in terms of strength. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 7/23/2009 8:48:47 PM | message detail |
Any
game with that kind of hype is going to disappoint if it was that big.
It has nothing to do with quality, just too many expectations. Not every game. Let me introduce you to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time! I didn't get FFVII until 2006, and I don't really know how big the hype was for it back in 1997, but I'm guessing it may have been a similar scenario. --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 7/23/2009 8:48:50 PM | message detail |
As the hype died down so did its strength, here's a poll after three months of its release. This?: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3164 --- KrahenProphet, he come to town! Come to win the GameFAQs Contest! Congrats to KrahenProphet on winning the Best Game Ever 2009 Guru Contest! |
charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2009 8:49:27 PM | message detail |
I forgot the poll >_> http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3164 --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Krahenprophet for winning the guru contest |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:49:57 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #169 FFVII was nothing close. It was a hyped release, but FF had never even been a million seller before that, so it was no where near the level of OoT. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:50:14 PM | message detail |
*million seller in America --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
MetricTrout | Posted 7/23/2009 8:50:40 PM | message detail |
Brawl
didn't live up to the hype, no, not when its core fanbase hates it and
it's just a nice, casual, fun party game to its non-core fanbase. Melee was a nice, casual fun party game to most of its fanbase as well. I never even played Brawl, but Smash's core fanbase sucks. I love Melee, but the tournament-style of playing Melee (with no items on stages like Battlefield or Final Destination) is some of the most boring crap ever. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:51:24 PM | message detail |
From: MetricTrout | #174 I totally agree. Like in Brawl online, I hate it when people only use that boring stage and no items. The items and stage variety are some of the most fun parts. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 7/23/2009 8:53:30 PM | message detail |
How was the reception to SMB3 when it was released? That's usually named as one of the most hyped games ever. --- KrahenProphet, he come to town! Come to win the GameFAQs Contest! Congrats to KrahenProphet on winning the Best Game Ever 2009 Guru Contest! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:54:11 PM | message detail |
From: Team Rocket Elite | #176 Where's old man tranny when we need him --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 7/23/2009 8:56:58 PM | message detail |
.....Personally,
I think playing free-for-alls in any Smash game, Melee included, is
really boring. 1v1 (or 2v2) is the only method of playing that I would
categorize as "fun." Items do not instantly ruin the game, but it's
more fun without them. And my dislike of free-for-alls goes all the way
back to SSB64, before I'd ever tried 1v1s or owned a Smash game- I just
disliked the game as a whole back then. --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/23/2009 8:57:43 PM | message detail |
With
today's poll about to end soon, I think the next best choices for games
to get their own poll tomorrow would be either FFX or LttP. Since they
got to the finals in the contest. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as KrahenProphet, Guru Champ! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:58:00 PM | message detail |
Isn't free for alls the entire point of the game? If you want 1v1, why not play a fighting game dedicated to that? --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2009 8:58:04 PM | message detail |
SMB3
didn't have the internet to help it so its hype was limited to word of
mouth and magazines. Imagine if the internet existed back then... --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Krahenprophet for winning the guru contest |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 8:58:49 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #181 Don't forget its hype was in movies, too. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 9:00:24 PM | message detail |
"It's great, grinding is the most enjoyable part of the game" imo --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 7/23/2009 9:02:20 PM | message detail |
Well,
I'm not much of a serious player (no plans to ever play in tourneys or
anything)- Melee is something I play primarily to have fun. And 1v1 is
fun, while free-for-alls are not, to me. --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 7/23/2009 9:02:44 PM | message detail |
Rate for OoT was under 40% in America, but over half of Europe hasn't finished it and 2/3 of Asia hasn't even played it. Nice. --- "Krahenprophet's easy to read. But hard to guard." "Many stories ended here today, but yours goes on, I see." |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/23/2009 9:03:53 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #185 Its weird how Nintendo games almost have American game trends --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/kiss.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 7/23/2009 9:05:36 PM | message detail |
Well, both the N64 and Gamecube sold way better in America than in Japan or Europe. --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2009 9:11:07 PM | message detail |
More like Canada was Nintendo central. 68% used to own a PS while 78% used to own a N64 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3539®ion=CA http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3541®ion=CA 74% Gamecube, 40% Xbox and 81% PS2 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3537®ion=CA http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3536®ion=CA http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3529®ion=CA --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Krahenprophet for winning the guru contest |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/23/2009 9:11:54 PM | message detail |
OoT's playrate was better in Canada than the United States, which is odd. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as KrahenProphet, Guru Champ! |
charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2009 9:21:20 PM | message detail |
OoT's playrate was better in Canada than the United States, which is odd. I'm not sure about the rest of Canada, but when I was young everyone owned OoT. OoT is one of the few games that I played/watched in different parts with many friends that if you actually glued them together I probably beat the game. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Congratulations to Krahenprophet for winning the guru contest |
L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/23/2009 9:27:14 PM | message detail |
A shame we aren't getting polls for other games. SMB3 hype seemed to be huge, and it also seemed to actually live up to it since it really was much bigger than SMB1. At one point it was the best-selling game of all time (at least before Pokemon and the Wii came around), and even today it's still very respected and ranks high in some lists. Hell, even with all these amazing games I've seen the past 15-20 years, SMB3 is still my all-time favorite game. It's a game everyone played, the first truly hyped game that even pretty much got its own movie to advertise it. Brawl's hype was insane in the gaming community, but it's not like the hype for, say, Halo or GTA or what's planned for MW2, which reached out into the media. While Brawl's hype was so massive that it couldn't live up to all of it, it still won GotY here when most other sites weren't even choosing it for "Best Wii Game" and has a decent argument for being the #3 strongest game on GameFAQs, so at least a lot of GameFAQs thinks it's still a great game. There was a reason I went with it to win despite knowing it didn't live up to its hype. It won't beat FF7 or OoT, but no game ever well. FF13 won't, the new Zelda won't, the next MGS, Mario, Elder Scrolls, whatever won't. I don't see those two ever leaving their perches until gaming has radically changed, and by that point GameFAQs probably won't even be doing contests anymore so it'd be a moot point anyway. Wow, I've been rambling. --- Brawl did well for me, but not enough to net me the Guru win over Krahenprophet, so kudos to him. |
Ngamer64 | Posted 7/23/2009 9:34:14 PM | message detail |
Sooo, final stats. Again. Have you ever played FF7? Yes - 81.35% in May 2003 Yes - 75.04% in November 2005 Yes - 70.83% in July 2009 Have you ever played OoT? Yes - 87.61% in November 2005. Yes - 80.20% in July 2009 FF7 loses 4.21%, or 5.61% of its 2005 total. OoT loses 7.41%, or 8.46% of its 2005 total. http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Have_You_Ever_Played Well no doubt about it, OoT's been in a faster decline since the end of '05 than FF7. The difference being, Ocarina probably took a decent step UP between '03 and '05, or at least stayed fairly steady unlike FF7's 6% tumble, which would explain how it was able to reverse its 1v1 result against FF this season. --- KrahenProphet is the King of the Gurus! All Hail! thengamer.com/guru | thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com |
Yesmar | Posted 7/23/2009 9:44:19 PM | message detail |
Although
I was only 2 at the time SMB3 hype > Halo 3 hype. SMB3 was expected
to be bigger and better than the last games. Halo 3 was just supposed
to be AS good as the last. Plus, so much of the hype was corporately
driven. --- KrahenProphet owned me in the Guru Contest by 39 votes! That's my story and I'm sticking to it. |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/23/2009 9:55:46 PM | message detail |
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Have_You_Ever_Played You should be posting this page instead: http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Have_You_Played The "Have You Ever Played" page redirects you to "Have You Played". --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as KrahenProphet, Guru Champ! |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/23/2009 10:08:33 PM | message detail |
Trend chart for the OoT poll: Time | Over 10 times | 4-9 times | 2-3 times | Just once | Never finished it | Never played it EBV | .......9.40%....... | 20.23% .... | 20.89% .... | 11.59% .... | ........21.56%........ | 16.33% PHV | .......9.73%....... | 18.66% .... | 22.36% .... | 11.98% .... | ........20.88%........ | 16.38% FNV | .......9.27%....... | 16.12% .... | 21.79% .... | 11.97% .... | ........20.59%........ | 20.26% BSV | .......7.12%....... | 14.88% .... | 20.80% .... | 12.03% .... | ........21.15%........ | 24.02% DSV | .......9.02%....... | 15.63% .... | 22.07% .... | 11.98% .... | ........21.02%........ | 20.27% ASV | .......10.52%..... | 16.58% .... | 22.19% .... | 11.35% .... | ........20.54%........ | 18.82% SNV | .......11.70%..... | 16.86% .... | 21.70% .... | 11.43% .... | ........19.26%........ | 19.06% OoT gets its strong board vote and Power Hour support as always and bombs the night vote. The morning was even worse, but the day vote was an improvement, though not as strong as the first hour. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as KrahenProphet, Guru Champ! |
Ngamer64 | Posted 7/23/2009 11:17:53 PM | message detail |
I
know Luster, but everyone gets redirected to the page automatically and
no one even notices that it happened, so it's safe to link to whatever
URL you want. For instance, http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/LusterSoldier_Is_A_Grizzly_Bear --- KrahenProphet is the King of the Gurus! All Hail! thengamer.com/guru | thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/23/2009 11:28:44 PM | message detail |
WTF,
did you just set up page up to redirect to the "Have You Played" page?
I tried out a bunch other stuff and none of what I tried redirected me
to "Have You Played". --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as KrahenProphet, Guru Champ! |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/24/2009 2:42:29 AM | message detail |
From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 7/23/2009 9:04:48 PM | #134 Pretty much. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ TurnTurnTurn your brain in. |
L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/24/2009 7:21:01 AM | message detail |
He
does ignore posts talking about him, never bringing them up while still
posting his lists, though he will respond if you talk directly to him.
I still think he's a good troll, it's just that his game plan just
takes awhile before it really starts to grate on everyone's nerves. He
found a good way to not get modded, though, and perhaps even divide the
stats topic between people who find his act charming for a young
teenager and annoying. It's a long-term payoff that I'd be willing to
invest in since he's just spending ten minutes every day reposting old
lists with slight changes. And no, it's not me. I'd rather insult a user's dead mother than go out of my way to do something complicated. You guys know I have no qualms getting banned, hell, I got banned last contest just for the hell of it. --- Brawl did well for me, but not enough to net me the Guru win over Krahenprophet, so kudos to him. |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/24/2009 9:36:35 AM | message detail |
You
know what, I might as well post another list to prove something. Here's
the first half of Entertainment Weekly's Top 50 list from 2008. The
lack of a Smash or Sonic game is actually somewhat painful, but
whatever. 50. Madden NFL 2005 49. World of Warcraft 48. WipEout 47. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 46. Perfect Dark 45. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 44. Silent Hill 2 43. Psychonauts 42. Wing Commander II: Vengeance of the Kilrathi 41. Tecmo Super Bowl 40. Okami 39. Contra 38. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 37. Tekken 3 36. Star Wars: TIE Fighter 35. Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo 34. Tomb Raider 33. Metroid Prime 32. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 31. Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes 30. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 29. Final Fantasy VI 28. BioShock 27. Soul Calibur 26. God of War And that's why Soul Calibur made it into the contest over Super Smash Bros. Moving on, the next half. 25. Shadow of the Colossus 24. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 23. Deus Ex 22. Super Metroid 21. StarCraft 20. Gears of War 19. Sid Meier's Civilization II 18. Half-Life 17. SimCity 16. Gran Turismo 15. Chrono Trigger 14. Resident Evil 4 13. Final Fantasy VII 12. Super Mario Galaxy 11. Halo: Combat Evolved 10. Metal Gear Solid 9. Grand Theft Auto IV 8. GoldenEye 007 7. Super Mario Kart 6. Street Fighter II 5. Guitar Hero 4. Super Mario World 3. Doom 2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 1. Tetris So...out of the top 5 games, one of them went out in the first round. Out of the top ten, two of them either did not make it or went out in the first round. Out of the top twenty, seven did not make it or lost in the first round. Out of the top 30, 14 lost in the first round or did not make it. Out of the overall list, THIRTY either lost in the first round or failed to show up. As far as more meaningful comparisons: Despite Smash failing to show up, half of the top ten is comprised of multiplayer games. 8 out of the top 20 are multiplayer (Gran Turismo and Gears of War are mainly multiplayer, right?). Don't want to do any more comparisons here since I dunno whether stuff is multiplayer or not. |
