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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 753

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/21/2009 9:06:05 PM | message detail
Wow, its almost 10% higher of "Never played" so far. Yep, FF7 is never gonna be able to reclaim its title at this rate.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/21/2009 9:06:52 PM | message detail
I hope they do OoT. It'd be interesting to compare the two play rates.

Plus it'd be neat to have a OoT poll while I'm replaying it.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/21/2009 9:08:35 PM | message detail
I'm guessing he's gonna do another one of those series of polls of popular games like he did before.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/21/2009 9:08:54 PM | message detail
I wonder if this is just the terrible FFVII power hour vote.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/21/2009 9:09:29 PM | message detail
Also, I expect this to just get worse for FF7... its got a bad board vote, but thats cuz people like to hate on it, not cuz they haven't played it. The day should be brutal
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/21/2009 9:10:35 PM | message detail
Yup, never played just dropped almost a percent.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/21/2009 9:11:14 PM | message detail
Hmm, I'm surprised. Maybe it won't end up doing as bad as I thought

Should still suck at day though
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/21/2009 9:11:27 PM | message detail
Also, I expect this to just get worse for FF7... its got a bad board vote, but thats cuz people like to hate on it, not cuz they haven't played it. The day should be brutal

You're forgetting that it still has the night vote.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/21/2009 9:12:02 PM | message detail
Amusingly enough, FF7's the only one of the 9 first FF's that I've never beat. I even beat 2 and 8, which I hate both of, yet not 7.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 7/21/2009 9:13:18 PM | message detail
Also, I expect this to just get worse for FF7... its got a bad board vote, but thats cuz people like to hate on it, not cuz they haven't played it. The day should be brutal

Why would the people who hate the game be more likely to play and beat the game than people who don't?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/21/2009 9:15:32 PM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #060
Also, I expect this to just get worse for FF7... its got a bad board vote, but thats cuz people like to hate on it, not cuz they haven't played it. The day should be brutal

Why would the people who hate the game be more likely to play and beat the game than people who don't?


I just assume b8 likes to anti vote FF7, but most of them have played and beaten it. Guess I was wrong
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/21/2009 9:15:58 PM | message detail
and wow, this might get under 30% before the end of the power hour
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/21/2009 9:16:08 PM | message detail
Wow almost another percent sliced from never played.

LS are you keeping track of this?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/21/2009 9:17:58 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #063
Wow almost another percent sliced from never played.

LS are you keeping track of this?


he better if he makes trend charts for hot dogs
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/21/2009 9:20:43 PM | message detail
ff7 board vote, never change
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/21/2009 9:22:37 PM | message detail
LS are you keeping track of this?

Yes. Nice to see that FFVII still has the bad board vote.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/21/2009 9:34:44 PM | message detail
Agree/Disagree FFVII's never played drops below 25% at some point during this match.


I'll say agree.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/21/2009 9:35:45 PM | message detail
he better if he makes trend charts for hot dogs

I did a trend chart for that poll, but never decided to post it. And yeah, I'll do a trend chart on this poll.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/21/2009 9:36:34 PM | message detail
Wow, FFVII's never played percentage went up.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/21/2009 9:42:15 PM | message detail
So let's see here.

Have you ever played FF7?

Yes - 81.35% in May 2003

Yes - 75.04% in November 2005

Yes - 70.28% today (so far)

Hmm... I guess it's still got a favorable night vote ahead of it, but looks like a sure bet to finish decently far back of '05 at this rate.

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Ngamer64 | Posted 7/21/2009 9:43:56 PM | message detail
And since we'll probably get an Ocarina poll tomorrow, that was at

87.61%

back in Nov '05.

Full stats:

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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/21/2009 9:45:46 PM | message detail
It'll be interesting to see how many in North America haven't played FFVII. It always did much worse here compared to the rest of the world.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/21/2009 9:51:25 PM | message detail
5 vote gain for "Never played it". A cut will come soon. FFVII will need to start moving soon if it wants to pull any sort of comeback here.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/21/2009 10:17:15 PM | message detail
1 vote cut for "I've played it, but never finished it". It took until 1:30 AM for FFVII to get in a cut in the 4-way final. In the bonus match, I really don't feel like looking up when the first cut happened.
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red sox 777 | Posted 7/22/2009 4:53:25 AM | message detail
Looking at those numbers, it looks like there was a tremendous site shift in 2005 indeed. The 2008 Deboost probably wasn't a major site shift but rather just the product of anger at Nintendo for the Wii.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/22/2009 5:44:22 AM | message detail
Yeah, this isn't looking terribly good for FF7...but there's no question it had to start dropping sometime. I hope to see a LoZ:OoT-poll too to compare, but I wanna see other power-houses get a poll too. Pokemon R/B/Y, FFX, LoZ:LttP, SM64, SSBB, CT, SMB3, SMW...let's have some fun with numbers on these!
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/22/2009 6:14:33 AM | message detail
I'm also curious if FF7 and LoZ:OoT can REALLY continue to dominate the next BGE-contest if we held one five years from now like the gap between BGE1 and BGE2. FF7 would be seventeen years old in 2014 (LoZ:OoT being sixteen years old), and we're seeing right now that FF7's obviously lost a step since about 3 1/2 years ago. Add another five with probably a new generation of systems to come between now and then, and it could prove interesting for the power-houses of the 32-64 Bit era to compete...

...then again, they'll still probably SFF most of their competition, but they'll keep dropping until then regardless. They may end up staying the top two games again, but I don't expect it to stay as easy for them as it was this time.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/22/2009 6:32:01 AM | message detail
The only problem is that all the top games are either just as old or older than FFVII and OoT. The only games that could threaten those two are Melee, FFX and Brawl or if another huge game comes out.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/22/2009 8:19:05 AM | message detail
Yeah, all of our most powerful games are going to be a decade or older themselves, except for Brawl. There has yet to be a game that could realistically challenge one of them. Even if they drop, the rest will drop with them over time. Plus, the fact that consoles are now split three ways (and a relatively even split this generation, no PS2 domination this time around. The Wii is the clear winner, but not in PS2 fashion) is going to make it harder for a game to get enough playership around here to be that dominant.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/22/2009 8:26:51 AM | message detail
I don't think playership of the console matters as much. Playstation destroyed Nintendo 64 yet that didn't stop Ocarina of Time from winning.

All we need is a game that is agreed by many to be great. Personally I thought Super Mario Galaxy would have done that eventually, but I guess GameFAQs disagrees with me
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/22/2009 8:34:01 AM | message detail
darn you galaxy
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/22/2009 8:35:50 AM | message detail
FFVII's playrate is dropping real fast. Never played reached an all time low of 27.45% at 6:52 AM and it's already up to 28.56% less than 5 hours later.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 7/22/2009 10:11:37 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #080
I don't think playership of the console matters as much. Playstation destroyed Nintendo 64 yet that didn't stop Ocarina of Time from winning.

All we need is a game that is agreed by many to be great. Personally I thought Super Mario Galaxy would have done that eventually, but I guess GameFAQs disagrees with me


Brawl. Board 8 and the Smash freaks are a minority.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/22/2009 10:17:49 AM | message detail
The only problem is that all the top games are either just as old or older than FFVII and OoT. The only games that could threaten those two are Melee, FFX and Brawl or if another huge game comes out.

True, and LoZ:OoT took care of all three of them this year; it easily SFF'd SSBM and SSBB while smashing FFX. In fact, LoZ:OoT beat FFX+SSBM and FFX+SSBB in their matches (and RBY+SSBM, while we're at it). LoZ:OoT's not going to lose an SFF-battle.


Yeah, all of our most powerful games are going to be a decade or older themselves, except for Brawl. There has yet to be a game that could realistically challenge one of them. Even if they drop, the rest will drop with them over time. Plus, the fact that consoles are now split three ways (and a relatively even split this generation, no PS2 domination this time around. The Wii is the clear winner, but not in PS2 fashion) is going to make it harder for a game to get enough playership around here to be that dominant.

Also true. I guess it's just going to be very difficult to have another game reach that level of mega-success here...and it's so hard to imagine the next game of that caliber to not be from Square or Nintendo, too; we'll see them beaten up by FF7/LoZ:OoT for years. I guess SSBB really does have the best shot of the games we know right now, though LoZ:OoT already blew it out...but then again, Aeris stomped Sora when he was still pretty new, too. Then again though, LoZ:OoT crushed SSBM the round before, too, so it may not be just an age thing.


Yeesh, those two games are dominant. We can't rule out site-shifts toward younger gamers or some such in the next five years, but on the way we're goin' right now...yeesh.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/22/2009 10:26:58 AM | message detail
FF13 COULD be the new FF7, if it becomes a total smash hit, and there's a new Zelda on the way, but I expect them to be KH/Brawl level, at best. It just doesn't seem likely that we'll see such a big game, because OoT and FF7 sold consoles singlehandedly and no game from this generation can claim that (except maybe, MAYBE MGS4, but it doesn't have Squintendo backing).
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/22/2009 10:28:05 AM | message detail
FFX is FFXIII's ceiling, imo. I don't see any Square game ever touching FFVII
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/22/2009 10:36:08 AM | message detail

From: -LusterSoldier- | #082
FFVII's playrate is dropping real fast. Never played reached an all time low of 27.45% at 6:52 AM and it's already up to 28.56% less than 5 hours later.


And its now up to 29.23% in less then 2 hours later. This is gonna end up easily over 30%, maybe even 31%
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/22/2009 10:52:54 AM | message detail
I was thinking MGS4, but it's handicapped on the PS3. Yeah, I know it still competed in the GotY-polls and got to the semi-finals this year...but it's going to take a lot more; it still got beaten handily by SSBB before LoZ:TP and LoZ:OoT came into the picture. They're already on the right track by making it a Player's Choice already and it will continue to sell as the PS3 cheapens and all that, but no game on a system with 41%-ownership can hit that level and people will need to CONTINUE caring for it as the PS3-ownership increases. Another thing is remaking it; they did it for MGS1/2/3 already, so Konami may not be done with it yet.

Or they could port the damn game already. That would help.
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TheRye | Posted 7/22/2009 3:22:13 PM | message detail
The most surprising number to me in this poll is that 21.6% of people have started playing it but have never finished.
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red sox 777 | Posted 7/22/2009 5:45:58 PM | message detail
The thing is newer games will also start dropping as soon as they are a few years old. Any game can only be "the game" of one console generation. SSBM/FFX/Brawl will start dropping off themselves long long before they come close to touching FFVII and OOT, and the next generation will face the same problem, and the next, etc. You still need a game that is really really really big, incredibly loved, and just captures the imagination and fanboyism of an entire console generation to beat FFVII/OOT.

It hasn't looked like Nintendo or Square are up to the task lately.
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red sox 777 | Posted 7/22/2009 5:50:44 PM | message detail
And, as far as aging goes, games with extremely high playership rates like SMB3 have the same problem (and just look at SMB3's horrid day vote!). Yes, 95% of the site may have played it, but I seriously doubt those who started gaming on the PS1/N64 or later care about it in the same way as NES gamers. For NES gamers, it was a part of their childhoods, and the biggest video game ever at one time. For younger gamers, it's a historically important game, but not anything they really care about.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/22/2009 8:37:27 PM | message detail
Looks like we're going to finish with half of the site having never finished FFVII. Got 100,000 votes on this one, too.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/22/2009 8:50:42 PM | message detail
This one will barely finish above 102000 votes. The OoT poll should finish higher than this. When you have a game that's very big in North America and they are contributing around 76% of the votes, then I should expect higher vote totals on the OoT poll.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/22/2009 9:01:12 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3552&region=PH

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LeonhartFour | Posted 7/22/2009 9:01:30 PM | message detail
Huh, the playrate wasn't much lower in the U.S. compared to anywhere else. I'm surprised. Philippinos love their FFVII, though!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/22/2009 9:01:46 PM | message detail
way too early to know how this will finish, but its pretty obvious how OoT beat FFVII now
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red sox 777 | Posted 7/22/2009 9:05:07 PM | message detail
Perhaps it's not that FFVII is bad in North America but that Nintendo, Chrono Trigger, and Megaman are really good here. Let's see if there's a major difference in OOT's results today.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 7/22/2009 9:11:17 PM | message detail
Wow... OoTs percentage for "Never played" went down still... Soon it might be half of what FFVII ended up with
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/22/2009 9:20:25 PM | message detail
This poll just barely outdid the FFVII poll for the number of votes with the board vote. Yesterday's poll had 1038 at the freeze and today's has 1053.
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red sox 777 | Posted 7/22/2009 9:21:50 PM | message detail
"Never played" will probably go up with the night and day. This is the Nintendo Power Hour.
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