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Oh for the love of ass we ALREADY HAD MORE THAN THREE.
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We've had more than three TWICE.

No wonder this 4way crap is asscrap.
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I think the problem people have with more FFVII characters is that at least five of them are guarenteed at making the bracket while even Mewtwo and Mudkip will have trouble reaching the contest, especially if SBAllen goes back to 64 1v1.
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Why would anyone on this board care about Mudkip? I thought it was completely 4chan powered. Besides, if we return to the 1v1 format, we better cut this Pokemon talk drastically. Pokemon will have a very hard time winning anything there. Its 1v1 record is like... 2-5, with the only wins coming against Parappa the Rapper and Star Ocean.
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I am 100% behind supporting popular Pokemon AND FFVII characters (although I've always been doubtful of Red.)

This just seems like kneejerk anti-Nintendo sentiment from the Stats topic. There aren't going to be any more Pokemon in than Metal Gear Solid characters, and Snake excluded, the Pokemon probably have a higher average popularity. I guarantee that no one in this topic would complain if the next contest consisted of:

Snake
Big Boss
Raiden
Ocelot
Liquid
The Boss/Otacon.

Hell The Boss and Otacon could both get in, and everyone would just be squealing in delight instead.
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Because Pokemon was so loved between 2002 and 2004 and was then forced to face Metroid in round 2 and Samus in round 1.

Ken's record is 0-2 why bother bringing him back? You can't just bring past records into this and take it out of context.

I'm pretty sure Pikachu, Mewtwo and Charizard (Red can crash and burn IMO) will at least put up a fight or maybe even win a round depending on the opponent.
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I'd complain if Otacon got in. That's a useless and crappy slot. Snake/Boss/Boss/Ocelot is enough for me, although I understand that people love their Raidens and Liquids.
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From: charmander6000 | #056
Because Pokemon was so loved between 2002 and 2004 and was then forced to face Metroid in round 2 and Samus in round 1.

Ken's record is 0-2 why bother bringing him back? You can't just bring past records into this and take it out of context.

I'm pretty sure Pikachu, Mewtwo and Charizard (Red can crash and burn IMO) will at least put up a fight or maybe even win a round depending on the opponent.

It did lose to Metroid in 2006 in a performance that looked great back then but seems horrible now that we've seen what Pokemon's strongest games can do. Of course the three biggest Pokemon can win a round if they draw the right opponent - Guybrush and CATS won't be going anywhere.

And stop liking Pokemon.
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And the lack of Final Fantasy support probably comes from the fact that there IS an unstated rule that limits characters to 15 from a series and 5 from a specific game.

So it's only coincidence that exactly 15 FF characters and 5 FFVII characters got in the past two years. We're supposed to believe that Raz and Sackboy and Wander got more noms than Aeris and Seifer?

This is a completely idiotic rule that ONLY penalizes one series and one game, and should be completely gotten rid of, especially in the case of series, where FF is different from virtually every other one in the contest.
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It did lose to Metroid in 2006 in a performance that looked great back then but seems horrible now that we've seen what Pokemon's strongest games can do.

Pokemon 2009 is a totally different animal compare to 2006 and you know that. Take a look at the prediction percent.

Pokemon/Star Ocean - 83.74%
Metroid/Pokemon - 57.29% (~35% for Pokemon)

RBY/MM/PD/BK - 81.51%
MGS/RBY/MM/GS - 52.37%
OoT/RBY/MGS/FFVIII - 24.82%

Star Ocean > Pokemon was hyped on the board, I don't know why, but it was. If the same match happened today Pokemon would have crushed Metroid.


Of course the three biggest Pokemon can win a round if they draw the right opponent - Guybrush and CATS won't be going anywhere.

I'm just saying that the three biggest Pokemon would avoid the fodderline in 1v1.
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5 from a specific game.

2k7 had Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Toad and Yoshi
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This is a completely idiotic rule that ONLY penalizes one series and one game, and should be completely gotten rid of, especially in the case of series, where FF is different from virtually every other one in the contest.

No, that rule is there so every FFVII character doesn't make it into the contest. It's an excellent rule, and should stay until SBAllen decides to end the contests.
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The Boss/Otacon.

Neither of these two should make the contest, honestly. We don't need to see any new MGS characters.

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No, that rule is there so every FFVII character doesn't make it into the contest. It's an excellent rule, and should stay until SBAllen decides to end the contests.

Disagree. The characters with the most nominations should make the bracket. If Aeris gets five times as many nominations as Wander, he shouldn't get in over her. This rule is keeping plenty of popular, strong characters out of the bracket every year.
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If by plenty you mean FFVII. I think many people would lose interest with the contest if by round 3 all that's left are noble nine and FFVII characters.
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2k7 had Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Toad and Yoshi

You know, I'm not sure if all six of those guys have ever been in the same "real" Mario game.
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2k7 had Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Toad and Yoshi

Mario, Luigi, Peach/Bowser/Toad, and Yoshi all originated in separate games.

I can see the idea behind having some limits to games/series, but the current ones are too restrictive.

Look at the main bracket in '05. 4 FFX characters made it in. That would be the equivalent of 8 characters from one game making it in in a 4-way. 12 FF characters made it in the normal bracket, equalling 24 in the 4-ways. Would anyone argue that either of those situations hampered 2005? I doubt it. If you HAVE to have restrictions it should be 5 per game in a 1 vs. 1. (not counting ToC or anything like that), and 10 in 4 ways, and 15 per series in 1 vs. 1 and 30 in 4 ways.

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From: PartOfYourWorld | #066
2k7 had Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Toad and Yoshi

You know, I'm not sure if all six of those guys have ever been in the same "real" Mario game.

I'm pretty sure they haven't outside of mario karts and mario parties.
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These restrictions only affect one series (and probably only one game from that series), anyway - just be done with them. At the very least, I would love some feedback from SBAllen regarding exactly how many FF characters would make it in if not for these restrictions. If it's 40, then yeah, we might need to put a cap on that, but I wouldn't have a problem with 25 or so.
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I think we have enough FF characters as it is now. I'm a big FF7 fan but I don't want to see the entire contest flooded with its characters everywhere, I'd prefer variety.
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Going back to wanting the strongest characters in the bracket, the weakest character in a 64 spot bracket would be around Ness/Kefka level, so no fodder allowed.
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Kefka is fodder imho
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Not to mention the fact that while they aren't really "from" it, Brawl got 7 entrants in. I mean let's not play dumb here:

Meta Knight
Dedede
Pit
Ike
Lucario
Lucas
Olimar
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Why, because you got banned? That's so lame.

nah. it just didn't make it to me in 20th. I was so damned close though...
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Not to mention the fact that while they aren't really "from" it, Brawl got 7 entrants in. I mean let's not play dumb here:

So really, your argument is to lessen the limits on FF, and you prove that point by saying many Nintendo characters from different franchises are allowed in? I'm kind of lost here.

Just because they got in because they were in a popular game does not mean they originated from that game.
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Just because they got in because they were in a popular game does not mean they originated from that game.

You're arguing for a pretty stupid rule that only caps one game (maybe two if FFX can somehow squeeze more than five of its characters in a bracket, but I very much doubt it can). Who cares where they originated from? Brawl is the reason those guys got in the bracket just as much as FFVII is the reason its own characters make the bracket. I'd much rather replace Lucas and Captain Olimar with Cid Highwind and Red XIII (characters with tons of potential from a game we've never seen before).
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I think we have enough FF characters as it is now. I'm a big FF7 fan but I don't want to see the entire contest flooded with its characters everywhere, I'd prefer variety.

You can't ****ing have it both ways. You sit here day in and day out talking about how 4-ways are so much more fun, and then you turn around and call for "variety" and caps which have done way more to hurt the excitement of contests than anything else. I thought you wanted close matches. If so, than don't call for more fodder, which is what "contest diversity" always ends up being. If anything's not fun it's having to sit through contests featuring Raz and Wander and TWO The World Ends with You characters and Sackboy and Nathan Hale and Ratchet and TWO Tales of the Abyss characters in the interest of diversity. How is being subjected to these guys "fun" on any sort of objective level?


Just because they got in because they were in a popular game does not mean they originated from that game.

I'm just pointing out how the cap system doesn't even do what it's supposed to do.
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I'm down for Cid and Red making it in if that means Zack and Tifa miss the cut.

Stop being greedy and share the contest.
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This isn't the Best Nintendo/FF character contest. It always ends up that way, but give other people some ****ing fun here. Does it hurt you so much to see Earthworm Jim lose in the first round instead of Zidane?
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Soul knows whats up
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Whoa, stats topic explosion!

And I find it strange that people think if this "unwritten rule" were removed, we'd end up with the entire playable cast of Final Fantasy VII and 10 NPCs. We wouldn't. We just might end up with 6 or 7 FFVII characters instead of 5. That's not a big deal.
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Does it hurt you so much to see Earthworm Jim lose in the first round instead of Zidane?

Zidane's first round match last year would've been boring if Earthworm Jim is there instead!
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Stop being greedy and share the contest.

I'm greedy for strong characters that will make for debatable matches. Zack was one of the few bright spots in a poor 2008 contest. I think we ought to let in some more of these FFVII characters in to see what they do, and not at the expense of cutting some others. Cid and Red XIII would be great, but why should we have to give up potentially watching Vincent or Tifa upend the Noble 9? So Raz and Wander can get in? What are we sharing, exactly - a crappier contest?
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This isn't the Best Nintendo/FF character contest. It always ends up that way, but give other people some ****ing fun here. Does it hurt you so much to see Earthworm Jim lose in the first round instead of Zidane?

"Other people" got their chance in 2004 and 2008 (assuming that having 1 new character in every match was intentional). It didn't work, but don't say that the contest is always Nintendo/FF when there have been years where that's been stopped. This isn't the Sympathy Contest. Sorry your characters aren't popular, but deal with it.*

And Mega Man vs. Zidane would have been an infinitely better match than Mega Man vs. Earthworm Jim.

*I would gladly support a snubs Mini-Contest to give lesser characters a chance to compete, by the way.
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Does it hurt you so much to see Earthworm Jim lose in the first round instead of Zidane?

Zidane? No, not too many people care (even though he does have waaay more hardcore fans than Earthworm Jim does around here). Red XIII or Cid? Yes please. Put them in. Ahead of Earthworm Jim. Ahead of Earthworm Jim's dog, too.
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And Mega Man vs. Zidane would have been an infinitely better match than Mega Man vs. Earthworm Jim.

Zidane would have gotten like 10% more, but ultimately lose in a blow out. If that's exciting to you then so be it.
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Ahead of Earthworm Jim's dog, too.

oh you didnt just go there
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Earthworm Jim and Raz have been oppressed for years. LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD.
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For Noble Nine vs. fodder characters, it doesn't really matter who you get there. Zidane or Earthworm Jim serve the same purpose.

Now if you want to replace a strong character with fodder, I'm not for that.
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I'm just pointing out how the cap system doesn't even do what it's supposed to do.

Melee/Brawl/Dissidia shouldn't count because when people nominate characters they don't go

Olimar - Brawl
Lucario - Brawl
Pit - Brawl
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They don't count, but there were plenty of whiners about too much Brawl in the contest last year.
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The thing I hope we can all agree on is that we need more variety for fodder then all the nintendo and FF fodder like Cecil, FF6 characters, Ramza on FF side, and a lot of the weak Brawl characters like Olimar, Dedede, Lucas, etc.
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You can put whoever the heck you want against Link in the first round, and I won't really care. If you want "moral victories" by watching Manny Calavera get 15% on Solid Snake, go for it.

Just don't expect me to like you wanting Manny in over Cid.
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They don't count, but there were plenty of whiners about too much Brawl in the contest last year.

True, but I think much of that was after those characters made about as much noise as a mouse fart. Zack ended up being a better addition than every Brawl character combined.
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Alright blazer, let me throw you this scenario. Say we remove caps completely, and 4chan gets word of this and decides to mass nominate 10+ Pokemon. How would you react to that?
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The variety argument is pretty weak. Most of the characters we'd miss are the exact ones that no one cares about, anyway. You lose Hogger and Nero, but gain Cid and Red XIII -- is this that bad of a trade?

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From: XxSoulxX | #095
Alright blazer, let me throw you this scenario. Say we remove caps completely, and 4chan gets word of this and decides to mass nominate 10+ Pokemon. How would you react to that?

We might get 10+ pokemon even without involving 4chan...
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So Cid gets 35% on Solid Snake in round 1. I don't see the contest getting any better and we now have less variety.
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Nobody would get word of caps being removed because there's never been a spoken word about being caps, but nevertheless.

If 4chan can do it, power to them.
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So Cid gets 35% on Solid Snake in round 1.

Are you kidding me? Cid gets more than that.
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