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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 751

red sox 777 | Posted 6/22/2009 7:13:44 PM | message detail
Hard to say how Tidus has fared since 2004. Shadow.....didn't suck back then, probably. Getting doubled by Megaman of 2004 is a lot less embarassing than getting doubled by Megaman would be now, too. It's funny how the x-stats predicted Tidus/Shadow almost completely correctly, and yet both of them were vastly overrated in 2003 or dropped off in 2004, or both.
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ZFS | Posted 6/22/2009 7:15:38 PM | message detail
Yeah, it's ATB instead of being strictly turn-based, which makes it much faster. Square talked about how they used FFX as a base and went from there in one of their past interviews.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/23/2009 5:01:19 AM | message detail
How can it be like FFX and be ATB? You're either turn-based or you're not
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 6/23/2009 6:22:08 AM | message detail
If FFXIII is like FFX looks like I'll be passing on it

lol terribad games
LeonhartFour | Posted 6/23/2009 7:19:00 AM | message detail
lol turtle opinions
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/23/2009 8:12:49 AM | message detail
FFX is most definetely overrated on this site.

I'm currently watching a walkthrough of it on YouTube and it has some creative ideas. Definetely deserving of getting to round 3, but no more after that.
charmander6000 | Posted 6/23/2009 8:20:57 AM | message detail
FFX would have lost to Melee, Brawl, Pokemon, MGS and a case could have been made for TP.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/23/2009 8:30:52 AM | message detail
FFX should've won the whole contest. I don't know what you guys are talking about!
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 6/23/2009 8:37:37 AM | message detail
FFX is one of the best games I've ever played, both for plot/characters and battle system. Blows most other JRPGs out of the water because it manages to get both right. Comparing cross-genre depends which genre you prefer though: if you hate JRPGs, you ain't gonna like FFX.

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Kotetsu534 | Posted 6/23/2009 8:38:42 AM | message detail
But yeah, subjective opinions aside, it would've lost to a lot of games heads up, and the four-way thing helped it to the final.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/23/2009 9:19:15 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #406
FFX is most definetely overrated on this site.

I'm currently watching a walkthrough of it on YouTube and it has some creative ideas. Definetely deserving of getting to round 3, but no more after that.


You can't rate a game you've only seen videos of.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/23/2009 9:50:17 AM | message detail
While the first round of the NRT's going down, I'll try to make quick decent divisions out of the characters who win each day (even though they're each from different divisions in the NRT). Let's see what we think about the up-n-comers:


1- Charizard (Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow)
8- Teddie (Persona 4)
4- Yoshimitsu (Tekken/Soul Calibur)
5- Hal “Otacon” Emmerich (Metal Gear Solid)
3- Chocobo (Final Fantasy Series)
6- Mog (Final Fantasy VI)
2- Yuffie Kisaragi (Final Fantasy VII)
7- Happy Mask Salesman (Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask)
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/23/2009 9:52:56 AM | message detail
chocobo
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/23/2009 11:27:00 AM | message detail
This is based on board opinion.

1- Charizard (Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow)
8- Teddie (Persona 4)
4- Yoshimitsu (Tekken/Soul Calibur)
5- Hal “Otacon” Emmerich (Metal Gear Solid)
3- Chocobo (Final Fantasy Series)
6- Mog (Final Fantasy VI)
2- Yuffie Kisaragi (Final Fantasy VII)
7- Happy Mask Salesman (Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask)

HMS could defeat Yuffie.
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H__RR____H | Posted 6/23/2009 12:04:26 PM | message detail
Going the board-opinion route is cool, though I'm more curious about what we think of them strength-wise to see which ones are most "worthy" of making a contest.


My quick predictions:

1- Charizard (Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow)
4- Yoshimitsu (Tekken/Soul Calibur)
3- Chocobo (Final Fantasy Series)
2- Yuffie Kisaragi (Final Fantasy VII)

1- Charizard (Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow)
3- Chocobo (Final Fantasy Series)

3- Chocobo (Final Fantasy Series)
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/23/2009 12:08:18 PM | message detail
Yuffie > Chocobo is an easy pick, heck even Mog has a chance (not a good one). Chocobo will fold to any FF competition.

Otacon > Yoshimitsu seems more likely IMO.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 6/23/2009 12:09:40 PM | message detail
Such a shame Gilgamesh is going to steal Charizard's spot !!
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H__RR____H | Posted 6/23/2009 12:19:35 PM | message detail
I was kinda torn on Yoshimitsu/Otacon, yeah...but I do think Yoshi'd do better than Nightmare though (who would beat Siegfried, Ivy, or probably Jin, too), so I'll leave it to Otacon to impress me from there. Not that Nightmare's a very difficult opponent, but he'd do well enough on Ocelot or Raiden...and I don't think Otacon compares that well with them.

Yuffie felt like the natural pick, but Yuffie also did quite bad in the old FF7-poll and was mostly known as the ***** you find in the woods that steals your materia. If chocobos are symbolic of the FF-series, then combine that with the popularity of breeding and racing chocobos in FF7 and I would think that would be enough to throw Yuffie out of there.
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BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/23/2009 12:30:00 PM | message detail
I think Nightmare would easily win against Yoshimitsu, while he is a fan favourite in Soul Calibur II (probably the others as well) Nightmare is on a different league than anyone from the game. Also fighters like Tekken and Guilty Gear are not popular on GameFAQs.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/23/2009 12:32:32 PM | message detail
I don't think Chocobo will fold to Yuffie of all people. Chocobo is pretty iconic to Final Fantasy... more then Yuffie, at least.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/23/2009 12:35:59 PM | message detail
She's still a FFVII character.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/23/2009 12:41:58 PM | message detail
Tingle proves you can be a character in a major game series and still be hated
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/23/2009 12:43:16 PM | message detail
Watching Zack tear up the bracket gives me faith that Yuffie will at least be a mid-carder.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/23/2009 12:44:08 PM | message detail
Ehh, I think Zack is a different situation. Its the black haired Cloud thing, I think. FF7 fans will just vote for him regardless since theres nothing to not like about him. But outside of Cait Sith, Yuffie is probably the most hated FF7 character.
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H__RR____H | Posted 6/23/2009 12:51:03 PM | message detail
I'm just not familiar enough with SC then, but I thought he was a big Tekken-fave and Tekken wasn't that much smaller than SC. Also, I thought about Zack, but Zack also has his own game and looks a lot like Cloud yet never had a negative stigma like Yuffie. It's also worth mentioning that -- though Zack looked like he could be as strong as Aeris -- I don't think many of us trust him in an SFF-match. Yuffie wouldn't be an Aeris, either.

I'd kinda like to see Zack/Yuffie now.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 6/23/2009 12:52:28 PM | message detail
I'd feel pretty comfortable about Zack > Yuffie.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/23/2009 12:53:14 PM | message detail
I think Zack would obliterate Yuffie.
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H__RR____H | Posted 6/23/2009 12:55:55 PM | message detail
Maybe I'm wrong on that match-up then, but I do think seeing Zack against any playable FF7-character aside from Cait Sith could prove interesting.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/23/2009 1:25:19 PM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/23/2009 1:26:31 PM | message detail
Bah, misread that post. Anyway, I think the FFVII hierarchy strength-wise would go something like this...

Cloud > Sephiroth > Vincent > Tifa > Aeris > Cid > Red XIII > Zack > Barret > Yuffie > Cait Sith

Now where characters like the Turks fit in is anyone's guess.
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ZFS | Posted 6/23/2009 1:43:43 PM | message detail
Give me Zack over Cid and Red XIII, otherwise that's probably about right.

Yuffie would be a strong, though, far more than most characters in the NRT.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/23/2009 1:44:22 PM | message detail
I'll have to see Zack beat those two before I believe it. I'm not entirely sold on the guy yet. Last year was just a perfect storm.
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Yesmar | Posted 6/23/2009 1:45:45 PM | message detail
Yeah, I fail to comprehend how Zack is as popular as he is, but he actually looked more popular than Aeris last contest, and I would probably take him over her 1vs.1 TBQH.
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ZFS | Posted 6/23/2009 1:50:06 PM | message detail
I think Zack's plenty legit. That match with Mario sealed the deal for me. There may have been SFF involved, but you have to have some real strength to nearly beat Mario. I don't think Aeris would have won if she was in his position, for instance.

I wouldn't look at just his role in FFVII either. Crisis Core has definitely given him his popularity.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/23/2009 2:16:33 PM | message detail
I know he's got Crisis Core power now, but I think Aeris could've taken advantage there.

Man, how awful would a Link/Aeris/Crono/Samus match have been?
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/23/2009 2:18:02 PM | message detail
I don't mean to question Zack not being strong; he had a fine run last year, complete with taking down an old-school and new-school FF-character along the way. He's legit before bringing up his match with a gimped Mario due to impressing against Link the two rounds before.

I still think another playable FF7-character could make him look less impressive quickly though. As far as the FF7-hierarchy goes, the only character we know for sure Zack beats is Zolomy...and between his role in FF7 and him relying on a PSP-sequel to FF7 for strength, I doubt he comes out favorably in many matches against established FF7-characters we've been able to play as for well over a decade. Perhaps the lower-end ones like Yuffie, but I'd take Aeris to handle him without much effort despite Zack looking on-par with her last year.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/23/2009 2:22:23 PM | message detail
I don't know how we could say anything definite about any of Zack's matches. His first round fourpack was crap. Wario's always been crap, and I have no idea why he was the Guru favorite there. Asking 40% to vote for Wario? Ha, good luck. He barely got that against Shadow!

The second match was double SFF, but he did double Zidane, so I'll give him some credit there. Not that Zidane is strong or anything, but he's borderline fodder and being able to SFF him means that people DO care about you. Round three is probably the most legit match he had. Yeah, he beat the Duke pretty badly, but the Duke is low midcarder, so I don't know how impressive that is. Round four, well, that much is obvious.

And I like Zack! I'd vote for him against Aerith, but I don't know if he'd win.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/23/2009 2:23:21 PM | message detail
Whoa, I just checked, and Wario only got 35% against Shadow? Wow, Wario sucks even worse than I thought. For some reason, I was thinking he got 41-42% there.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/23/2009 2:25:07 PM | message detail
Hey man, Shadow got 45% on Mario he is ELITE
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/23/2009 2:25:48 PM | message detail
Yeah, I guarantee Tidus could get 45% on Mega Man! He beat Shadow, after all!

argh 2004
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ZFS | Posted 6/23/2009 2:28:43 PM | message detail
I think Zack would get plenty of favor from FFVII fanbase in those direct match-ups. He couldn't handle Cloud/Sephiroth/Vincent/Tifa, but he could probably be competitive with Aeris, though I don't think he'd win a direct match even if he may be indirectly as strong or stronger. I'd feel good about direct match-ups against any of the other FFVII crew, though, especially Red XIII and Yuffie.

Zack has a certain cool factor that trumps most of the other characters -- it's the same kind of thing that Vincent pulls from. Being the main character of a well-received prequel to FFVII and having an awesome design is a good combination. Definitely not a good idea to underestimate CC, I don't think. Even people who didn't think the game was all that great still love Zack, which says something. I know I'd vote for him over most of the FFVII cast, sans Cloud.

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charmander6000 | Posted 6/23/2009 2:54:47 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #441
Yeah, I guarantee Tidus could get 45% on Mega Man! He beat Shadow, after all!

argh 2004


Samus > Mega Man for 2k4 Finals!
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/23/2009 2:56:03 PM | message detail
Just don't forget to actually nominate Zack this year!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/23/2009 2:58:42 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #430
Bah, misread that post. Anyway, I think the FFVII hierarchy strength-wise would go something like this...

Cloud > Sephiroth > Vincent > Tifa > Aeris > Cid > Red XIII > Zack > Barret > Yuffie > Cait Sith

Now where characters like the Turks fit in is anyone's guess.


I'd put Reno around the middle there. The other Turks would suck though
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/23/2009 3:01:42 PM | message detail
Reno would lose to Barret, but this is RacistFAQs
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/23/2009 3:03:16 PM | message detail
I'd say Cid would beat him but Red/Reno would be a good match. Reno really skyrocketed in popularity especially after Advent Children
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/23/2009 3:35:05 PM | message detail
man I really wish we coulda gotten rock band or guitar hero into the game contest... I think they'd have an amazing day vote. the day (around 8 am) started at 29% hasn't played any of them, now its down to 25%. That seems like KH/halo kind of day vote
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/23/2009 3:39:13 PM | message detail
Rock Band/Guitar Hero would have flopped anyways.

The biggest snub has to be Devil May Cry IMO.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/23/2009 3:40:04 PM | message detail
Eh, Rock Band/GH woulda been stronger then Persona 4, SF4, TF2, etc. I think it could have given GTA4 especially a run in that match.
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