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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 751

The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/14/2009 12:20:41 AM | message detail
4 ways have actually been easier for contest regulars. I've ended all 3 4-way contests higher than the 99% percentile(heck usually higher than 99.5 percentile). I don't think I've ever done that well before consistently. 4ways mess up casuals but regulars excel because of it
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/14/2009 12:22:47 AM | message detail
4-ways might be the only chance I actually have at getting into the leaderboard, something that I haven't been able to do yet in the several contests I've entered so far.
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Draco1214 | Posted 6/14/2009 12:25:17 AM | message detail
I chuckled at Master Chief/Magus, if only because Magus happens to be one of the few non-fodder characters I can see losing to Chief one-on-one.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/14/2009 12:26:51 AM | message detail
Kefka should be put into a first round match where people think he can win but ends up disappointing everyone.

Honestly I think Epona would win that one with no trouble X_X
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/14/2009 3:13:11 AM | message detail
All I care about is exciting matches that I can't easily predict

Then just do a bracket and don't bother following the contest because that's all 4-ways are good for.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 6/14/2009 3:15:36 AM | message detail
Hey guys here's a thought. How about instead of trying to think up the latest gimmick to destroy the contests even further we push for a return to the old style one v one which we all loved enough for us to become contest analysts. Just a crazy idea.
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General_Zimbad | Posted 6/14/2009 3:35:28 AM | message detail
^ But we didn't all love it :D
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Xcarvenger | Posted 6/14/2009 4:50:09 AM | message detail
I made a topic regarding tag-team character battle a few days ago. I don't know whether people here have seen it and not interested or people just plainly have not seen it, so I'll post it here again.

Here's an example I have revised using ideas from the topic:

Heart Division
1 Link/Ganondorf
8 Zig/CATS

4 Sora/Riku
5 Scorpion/Sub-Zero

3 Squall/Seifer
6 Phoenix Wright/Miles Edgeworth

2 Crono/Magus
7 Fox McCloud/Falco

Coin Division
1 Sonic/Robotnik
8 Ness/Giygas

4 Master Chief/Cortana
5 L-Block/Z-Block

3 Auron/Jecht
6 Leon Kennedy/Albert Wesker

2 Samus/Ridley
7 Crash Bandicoot/N. Cortex

Flower Division
1 Mario/Bowser
8 Wander/Agro

4 Dante/Vergil
5 Kirby/Dedede

3 Mega Man X/Zero
6 Terra/Kefka

2 Solid Snake/Big Boss
7 Donkey Kong/Diddy Kong

HP Division
1 Cloud/Sephiroth
8 Banjo/Jinjo

4 Ryu/Ken
5 Gordon Freeman/Alyx Vance

3 Pikachu/Mewtwo
6 Liquid Snake/Ocelot

2 Mega Man/Dr Wily
7 GLaDOS/WCC


The pair must be from the same game, so this is not like those Link/Tanner or Cloud/Tenpenny nonsense. If it's done this way, the bracket won't be cluttered with characters from one game, especially towards the later part of the contest. At the same time, any single game will be represented by two characters instead of just one, making it more 'representative' if you like, and more diverse.

And if we expand this, we'll get the same amount of entrants as a 4-way while still making it 1 v 1. Everyone should be happy!

Of course there will be a nomination phase, and people can choose which characters to pair as long as they meet the guidelines. I don't know whether it'd be better to set a one pair per game (or even series if it's a short bracket) limit or not. Is it worth seeing Tifa/Aeris and Luigi/Yoshi on top of Cloud/Sephi and Mario/Bowser? hmm...

Now let's try to predict this bracket. How will you approach it? Only consider the stronger entrant in the pair or will the weaker entrant bog down the pair? See, THIS will be a blast to predict!

So yeah, I think this has potential, and if Bacon only wants to do a short contest for this summer or next spring, this could be a good bracket tbqh

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red sox 777 | Posted 6/14/2009 5:46:51 AM | message detail
Magus can beat Chief (don't know about will). He's not really that weak, he just appears weaker than he is thanks to flopping all the time. Similarly, Frog isn't as strong as he appears, thanks to pulling off miracle comebacks all the time.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/14/2009 11:43:28 AM | message detail
He's not really that weak, he just appears weaker than he is thanks to flopping all the time

I don't have much confidence in the Chief, but he ain't losing to Sandbag.
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Xeybozn | Posted 6/14/2009 12:31:33 PM | message detail
North

1 Cloud Strife
16 Ken

8 Bowser
9 Leon Kennedy


Cloud > Bowser is pretty obvious here.

5 Ike
12 Frog

4 Yoshi
13 Ryu


Ike/Frog would be great to see just for the ASV, but I'm not sure Ike wouldn't already be winning. The stats definitely favor Ryu in the second match, but I just have a feeling Yoshi takes it. So, Yoshi > Ike.

6 Arthas
11 Gordon Freeman

3 Vincent Valentine
14 Red/Ash


Vincent wrecks this fourpack, but at least Arthas/Gordon is debatable. Vincent > Gordon.

7 Sora
10 Zelda

2 Megaman
15 Phoenix Wright


Sora's been more impressive than Zelda the last two years, but it could still be a close match. Mega Man > Sora.

East

1 Solid Snake
16 Marth

8 Mewtwo
9 Tidus


Mewtwo isn't weak, but Tidus is out of his league. Snake > Tidus

5 Dante
12 Ryu Hayabusa

4 Charizard
13 Robo


We've seen the first match before, and I don't trust Chrono Trigger characters much. Dante already beat Pikachu. Dante > Charizard.

6 Revolver Ocelot
11 Red XIII

3 Samus Aran
14 The Boss


At least there's the possibility that Red XIII is overrated. Samus > Red XIII.

7 L-Block
10 Locke Cole

2 Sephiroth
15 The Prince of Persia


Not much to say here. Sephiroth > L-Block.

South

1 Link
16 Sackboy

8 Kefka
9 Epona


As bad as Kefka looks, losing to Epona actually seems probable. And then Link/Epona sets the record for biggest blowout ever. Link > Epona

5 Pikachu
12 Vivi

4 Master Chief
13 Magus


You could probably make a decent argument for any of these guys to win. I'll go with... Pikachu > Master Chief?

6 Squall Leonhart
11 Meta-Knight

3 Auron
14 Pac-Man


Squall > Auron, but I guess it could go the other way.

7 Kirby
10 Cid Highwind

2 Sonic the Hedgehog
15 Tommy Vercetti


I don't think Kirby can beat Sonic in this format, but at least he beats Cid. Sonic > Kirby.

West

1 Mario
16 CATS

8 Yuna
9 Saria


Mario > Yuna.

5 Luigi
12 Zack Fair

4 Big Boss
13 Zero


I like Big Boss/Zero. Shame Luigi wins here just to get stomped by Mario. Luigi > Big Boss.

6 Tifa Lockheart
11 Liquid Snake

3 Ganondorf
14 Riku


Ganondorf/Tifa should be a great match. I'll take Ganon > Tifa.

7 Fox McCloud
10 Sub-Zero

2 Crono
15 Ness


Fox/Sub-Zero should be interesting. Crono > Fox. Looking at the field, Knuckles, Kratos, Alucard and Donkey Kong are all pretty big snubs IMO.

Later Rounds:
North
1 Cloud Strife
4 Yoshi

3 Vincent Valentine
2 Mega Man


Mega Man should survive Vincent. I hope he does - Cloud/Vincent would be the worst Elite Eight match since Link/Scorpion. Cloud > Mega Man.

East
1 Solid Snake
5 Dante

3 Samus Aran
2 Sephiroth


Snake/Sephiroth might be good, but if Seph can beat Mario so easily, I can't see why Snake would do much better. Sephiroth > Snake.

South
1 Link
5 Pikachu

6 Squall Leonhart
2 Sonic the Hedgehog


Squall/Sonic comes down to whether Sonic has completely bombed in popularity or if it's the format making him look weak. I think it's the latter, but then I'm a huge Sonic fan. Link > Sonic.

West
1 Mario
5 Luigi

3 Ganondorf
2 Crono


Not much to say here. Mario > Crono

Final Four:
Cloud
Sephiroth

Link
Mario


Bleh. Link > Cloud.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/14/2009 7:52:47 PM | message detail
Well... if tag teams were done the way Carvey suggests (just pair up with the person you relate to the closest), we basically turn the tournament into a 1v1 Game/Series Contest. Which isn't what we expect out of a Character Battle, but heck, at least we'd be getting 1v1s back, and considering 1v1 Games is what we've wanted for years... I guess it could be okay.

Still would much rather see a normal 1v1 or All Fictional, but if tag teams were done that way at least I wouldn't tune the Contest out.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/14/2009 8:04:34 PM | message detail
Oh and how has Sora looked more impressive than Zelda in the past two years?

Dante/Ryu H is a stupid idea and might even be Same Genre SFF, but Bowser/Leon could be good if only to see how good the 2007 stats are.
Lopen | Posted 6/14/2009 8:21:22 PM | message detail
So what's up with all the rally topics. Has a new contest been announced or something? We don't even know the format do we?
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 6/14/2009 8:24:58 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | Posted: 6/14/2009 11:21:22 PM | #214
So what's up with all the rally topics. Has a new contest been announced or something? We don't even know the format do we?


KP and I decided the time was right when Leon made his Nomination Rally Tournament topics. We'd been planning for a while.

Everyone else seemed to copy us after that.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/14/2009 8:29:28 PM | message detail
Not to brag, but I'm pretty sure I had the first big official rally going on this year.

Go, Doc, go!
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 6/14/2009 8:30:46 PM | message detail
The Doc Louis rally is a noble cause. I might hop on that bandwagon if it starts to grow.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/14/2009 8:40:35 PM | message detail
Hey, it's got twenty signs and we're aiming for at least fifty, so keep an eye out for it!
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/14/2009 9:28:31 PM | message detail
Some initial numbers from the Rally Tournament.

New Comers
Charizard (Pokemon) – 14
Cid Highwind (Final Fantasy VII) – 14
Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) – 11
Jecht (Final Fantasy X) - 10
Otacon (Metal Gear Solid) – 8
Jigglypuff (Pokemon) – 7
Psycho Mantis (Metal Gear Solid) – 7
Archer (Fate/Stay Night) – 6
Red XIII (Final Fantasy VII) – 6
Doc Louis (Punch-Out!!) – 5
Glass Joe (Punch-Out!!) – 5
Laguna Loire (Final Fantasy VIII) - 5
Locke Cole (Final Fantasy VI) – 5
Vault Boy (Fallout) – 5
Yoshimitsu (Tekken) – 5
Yuffie Kisaragi (Final Fantasy VII) - 5

Number of characters with at least 2 nominations: 41

Returners
Ken Masters (Street Fighter) - 17
Protoman (Mega Man) - 10
Morrigan (Darkstalkers) – 9
Chun Li (Street Fighter) – 5
Master Hand (Super Smash Bros.) - 5
Strider Hiryu (Strider) - 5
Felix (Golden Sun) - 4
M. Bison (Street Fighter) - 3
Carmen Sandiego (Carmen Sandiego) – 2
Dr. Wily (Mega Man) – 2
Earthworm Jim (Earthworm Jim) – 2
King of All Cosmos (Katamari Damacy) - 2

Number of nominated characters: 30


Depending on how long nominations are open we could push for 128 characters, but some characters may only get one nomination. On the other hand with 64 spots two nominations may not be enough to qualify for the contest. Returners should be kept to 32 IMO since we only have just over 80 characters to work with.

I'm actually surprised that Otacon is getting a lot of support and I thought Charizard would steal away from Jigglypuff's support. Morrigan is getting a lot of support as usual, same with Strider. From the way the board has been acting I think Cid may win the NRT.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/14/2009 9:45:48 PM | message detail
If we have a fictional character contest, I'm gonna rally King of Spades from Solitaire. I want to see how a playing card fares in the field.

Otherwise, I'm still up in the air on who I'm supporting, though I'm getting some awesome suggestions so far. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=49981742
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/14/2009 9:47:10 PM | message detail
Better yet here's a top 32 bracket. (30-32 are tied with unranked)

Division 1

1. Charizard (Pokemon)
32. Brock (Pokemon)

16. Yuffie Kisaragi (Final Fantasy VII)
17. Epona (The Legend of Zelda)

9. Red XIII (Final Fantasy VII)
24. Dan Hikibi (Street Fighter Alpha)

8. Archer (Fate/Stay Night)
25. Godot (Phoenix Wright)

12. Laguna (Final Fantasy VIII)
21. Yuri Lowell (Tales of Vesperia)

5. Otacon (Metal Gear Solid)
28. Purple Tentacle (Maniac Mansion)

13. Locke Cole (Final Fantasy VI)
20. Teddie (Persona 4)

4. Jecht (Final Fantasy X)
29. Roy (Fire Emblem 6)

Division 2

2. Cid Highwind (Final Fantasy VII)
31. Andrew Ryan (Bioshock)

15. Yoshimitsu (Tekken)
18. Gilgamesh (Final Fantasy V)

10. Doc Louis (Punch-Out!!)
23. Chocobo (Final Fantasy)

7. Psycho Mantis (Metal Gear Solid)
26. Mog (Final Fantasy VI)

11. Glass Joe (Punch-Out!!)
22. Zell (Final Fantasy VIII)

6. Jigglypuff (Pokemon)
27. Protagonist (Persona 4)

14. Vault Boy (Fallout)
19. Mr. Game & Watch (Game & Watch)

3. Seifer (Final Fantasy VIII)
30. Aigis (Persona 3)
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paulg235 | Posted 6/14/2009 9:57:21 PM | message detail
Charizard > Brock
Yuffie > Epona
Red > Dan
Godot > Archer
Laguna > Yuri
Otacon > Purple
Locke > Teddie
Roy > Jetcht

Cid > Andrew
Gilgamesh > Yoshimitsu (Bad pairing alert)
Chocobo > Doc
Mog > Psycho
Joe > Zell
Protagonist > Jiggs
GAW > Vault
Seifer > Aigis

Yuffie > Charizard
Red > Godot
Laguna > Otacon
Roy > Locke
Cid > Gilgamesh (Bad Pairing alert)
Chocobo >>>> Mog
Joe > Protagonist
Seifer > GAW

Yuffie > Red
Roy > Laguna
Chocobo > Cid
Joe > Seifer

Yuffie > Roy
Chocobo >Joe

Chocobo > Yuffie
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/15/2009 6:13:42 AM | message detail
So, something I joked about from the NRT-topic but is worth asking seriously: now that we've seen SMG flop here, how much closer would Rosalina be to Daisy than Peach?
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The Mana Sword | Posted 6/15/2009 6:16:22 AM | message detail
ATTN: Stats topic

Stop nominating Charizard.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/15/2009 6:24:48 AM | message detail
I won't nominate Charizard if you get yourself banned.

Deal?
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/15/2009 6:27:12 AM | message detail
You know, characters like Charizard and Cid may not need the NRT backing since they already have a large group that will nominate them unless something like Jigglypuff or a FFVII wins a spot on the NRT. Kind of like how Mega Man 2 and Phoenix Wright got so many board nominations despite not being winners.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/15/2009 7:23:07 AM | message detail
You know, characters like Charizard and Cid may not need the NRT backing since they already have a large group that will nominate them unless something like Jigglypuff or a FFVII wins a spot on the NRT. Kind of like how Mega Man 2 and Phoenix Wright got so many board nominations despite not being winners.

kinda like seifer right?
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/15/2009 7:58:49 AM | message detail
Seifer has won a spot on the NRT twice and still failed to enter, sure you can blame the female bracket, but the other time had 128 spots. I'm pretty sure Charizard and Cid will get similar support whether or not they get chosen, unless another character from the series wins the NRT.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/15/2009 8:11:57 AM | message detail
I think supporting any FF8-character at this point is just going to be a lost cause. I didn't realize Seifer failed to take advantage of the NRT-support twice, but I know he missed the Villain Contest pre-NRT support and still hasn't made it in despite KH2. Rinoa also missed the female bracket, Laguna was destroyed by Reno in an IGN-poll, and I've never seen people open up to the idea of nominating Zell until recently. We also saw the old FF8-poll where Squall smacked everyone around, which was pre-KH...and Squall pre-KH was doubled by Solid back in the day. Throw in the big Square down-turn since then, and any side-FF8 character is going to have a bad time.

I mean, it would be interesting to see one of them, sure, but nothing suggests they'd have any strength -- especially if they are unlucky enough to be in a SFF-situation -- and they have already missed some golden opportunities to get some representation outside of Squall. I don't care to bother with them anymore.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/15/2009 8:13:19 AM | message detail
Talking about Reno

he'd be mid card at least
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The Mana Sword | Posted 6/15/2009 8:15:00 AM | message detail
I have a feeling getting any new FF characters into a contest is going to be a tough proposition. Especially if Cloud and Sephiroth are still allowed in. There are just too many mainstays, expecially if we're only getting a 64 character 1 on 1 bracket. Hell, even Tifa missed the field in 2007.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/15/2009 8:15:58 AM | message detail
Should ditch all noms for Cloud and sephy imo
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/15/2009 8:17:55 AM | message detail
Yeah, the second tier FFVII characters will probably have to take turns. Let's keep Vincent, Tifa, and the Zack Unfair, Soldier 1st Class, Black Haired Cloud, in, and swap out Aeris for Cid this year.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 6/15/2009 8:19:08 AM | message detail
Everyone should nominate Gilgamesh instead imo.
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paulg235 | Posted 6/15/2009 8:19:14 AM | message detail
Reno would be a beast provided if he doesn't run into Cloud, Seph, Vincent, Tifa, Squall, Auron or Sora.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/15/2009 8:22:44 AM | message detail
Aeris already missed last year.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/15/2009 8:32:43 AM | message detail
At this point the nomination rally is more like "we want our fodder rather than your fodder"

Still, nothing wrong with that line of thought.
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paulg235 | Posted 6/15/2009 8:39:51 AM | message detail
Should I find it odd that no one has really given Klonoa a chance for the CB's or am I missing something here?
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The Mana Sword | Posted 6/15/2009 8:40:58 AM | message detail
Why on earth would anyone care about Klonoa? That's like asking why no one's rallied for Bubsy yet.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/15/2009 8:46:17 AM | message detail
Why all these sudden rallies? What'd I miss?
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/15/2009 8:47:40 AM | message detail
Klonoa had a small rally a few years ago, but that's about it.
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paulg235 | Posted 6/15/2009 8:48:10 AM | message detail
The nomination period of the NRT has begun. It is most important to have our favourite characters win it so their chances increase.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/15/2009 8:48:12 AM | message detail
Why all these sudden rallies? What'd I miss?

Nomination Rally Tournament.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/15/2009 8:57:57 AM | message detail
Oh, that thing.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/15/2009 8:59:46 AM | message detail
Why on earth would anyone care about Klonoa? That's like asking why no one's rallied for Bubsy yet.

furries love him though. if we ever get klonoa in we can see what % of gamefaqs are furries
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/15/2009 9:27:08 AM | message detail
We should nominate Presea so she can get the Klonoa vote!

but I know he missed the Villain Contest pre-NRT support and still hasn't made it in despite KH2.

Psh, I'd sooner say he didn't make it in because of KHII rather than in spite of it!
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/15/2009 9:31:38 AM | message detail

From: The Mana Sword | #239
Why on earth would anyone care about Klonoa? That's like asking why no one's rallied for Bubsy yet.


Damn, now I want to hold a rally for Bubsy.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/15/2009 9:39:19 AM | message detail
Time to make my case for Red from Pokemon RBY in here (I've done a 180 degree turn from a couple weeks ago on his prospects).

Red, like Pokemon RBY in the past contest, has a huge range with a very high ceiling. How high is his ceiling, you ask? Well.....Crono! But that's crazy, isn't it? Is it?

Red is the likable silent protagonist of the site's 3rd most popular RPG, 2nd if you take RBY over Chrono Trigger. Crono is the likable silent protagonist of the site's 2nd most popular RPG, 3rd if you take RBY over Chrono Trigger. People seem to become about as emotionally attached to Red as people become attached to Crono, and while his design isn't as cool, he also has a star role in a TV show as Ash. He could be the strongest character in his series, and he does have the highest ceiling. Put Red up against a near-elite, and you get a great Lopen-style upset for the very daring to take. Put him up against a midcarder, and you get an excellent debatable match.

But, it is critical that you nominate Red and NOT Pokemon Trainer. Red is a specific character loved by many who have played Pokemon RBY, Pokemon Trainer is a generic term that could be interpreted to mean any Pokemon trainer. Crono would also be really weak if he were listed as "JRPG Silent Protagonist."
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Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.
Meeks54 | Posted 6/15/2009 9:52:38 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #248
Time to make my case for Red from Pokemon RBY in here (I've done a 180 degree turn from a couple weeks ago on his prospects).

Red, like Pokemon RBY in the past contest, has a huge range with a very high ceiling. How high is his ceiling, you ask? Well.....Crono! But that's crazy, isn't it? Is it?

Red is the likable silent protagonist of the site's 3rd most popular RPG, 2nd if you take RBY over Chrono Trigger. Crono is the likable silent protagonist of the site's 2nd most popular RPG, 3rd if you take RBY over Chrono Trigger. People seem to become about as emotionally attached to Red as people become attached to Crono, and while his design isn't as cool, he also has a star role in a TV show as Ash. He could be the strongest character in his series, and he does have the highest ceiling. Put Red up against a near-elite, and you get a great Lopen-style upset for the very daring to take. Put him up against a midcarder, and you get an excellent debatable match.

But, it is critical that you nominate Red and NOT Pokemon Trainer. Red is a specific character loved by many who have played Pokemon RBY, Pokemon Trainer is a generic term that could be interpreted to mean any Pokemon trainer. Crono would also be really weak if he were listed as "JRPG Silent Protagonist."




I was just about to rally for him Red Sox. We need him here.
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Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton
HaRRicH | Posted 6/15/2009 10:20:19 AM | message detail
I definitely agree "Pokemon Trainer" just sounds terrible; we threw a ruckus when the SSBB-character was first named that. I'd be game for giving Red a shot, but I better be encouraged more before I throw a nomination his way.
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KrahenProfit: a one-Guru wrecking crew.
He savagely abused my bracket.