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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 750

Biolizard28 | Posted 6/10/2009 7:18:16 PM | message detail
4-ways are garbage and you should feel garbage
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 7:18:35 PM | message detail
Snake > Bowser and Mario > Samus added to the Hall of Fame.

Sonic and Mega Man choking away the Noble Nine would not even be surprising anymore. I would be more surprised if they managed to hold on, to be honest.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/10/2009 7:19:45 PM | message detail
if you just want the stronger character to win, then basically you want the exact same results, never changing, year after year

talk about boring


The finals is one match out of 63. You can have 62 boring matches and 1 exciting final in a 4-way vs. 62 exciting matches and 1 boring final in a one-on-one, and which do you take? The final isn't really that important because it's practically taken for granted.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 6/10/2009 7:19:54 PM | message detail
Oh give Mega Man a ****ing break.

No way in hell is he worse than Sonic.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 7:20:35 PM | message detail
Also, Mario > Big Boss removed from the Hall of Fame. Who the hell put that there?
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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/10/2009 7:21:57 PM | message detail
I assume it was there because of Magus doing ridiculously awful, but we've come to expect that since Knuckles/Magus.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/10/2009 7:23:46 PM | message detail
Mario > Big Boss is there for the Naked Snake picture, perhaps? Then I guess we should have Big Boss > Kirby last year, too?

Oh, and I love how Albion tries to make the argument "Legitimacy vs. Fun." That's not what this is about at all. This is about "Legitimate results vs. Unpredictable brackets." Both can be fun, but the idea of the contests needing to be unpredictable in order to be fun is flat out wrong.
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paulg235 | Posted 6/10/2009 7:24:45 PM | message detail
I truly think we need to se a four-way match which has Mega Man face Tifa, Squall, Mega Man X (remember 2004), Kirby or even Sonic himself. Something about him kinda gives me the feel that he's gotten lucky so far. Here are his only tough opponents thus far in the four-ways;

Samus
Cloud
Snake

You could argue Cube, but I'm not counting that LFF match. Personally, I see him cracking in the next contest.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/10/2009 7:25:04 PM | message detail
Bomberman/Crash/Phoenix/Magus should definitely be in the Hall of Fame.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/10/2009 7:26:25 PM | message detail
Oh, and I'd say Auron/Sonic/Sub-Zero/Sandbag and Sonic/Sandbag/Magus need to be on that HOF page, too.
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paulg235 | Posted 6/10/2009 7:31:12 PM | message detail
Mario/Shadow should also make the HOF, IMO.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/10/2009 7:32:43 PM | message detail
Mario/Shadow should be there for being one of the most inexplicable results of all-time, I agree. Mario/Sephiroth I should be there, and so should Cloud/Sonic. For me, those were two huge "Holy crap" results in 2003.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 7:37:09 PM | message detail
CATS vs Ansem and Master Hand vs Kuja deserve consideration from the Villains contest, which does not have a single representative at the moment.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/10/2009 7:41:02 PM | message detail
We don't need that many examples of Magus flopping, people. Just put his 2 contest glories (Ganondorf and Link) on there, one for being a close, very exciting, match and the second for being the original case of lol xstats, and 2 flops (Knuckles and Sandbag). His 2007 run, while singularly bad, wasn't exciting at all.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 7:52:06 PM | message detail
Melee > Starcraft and Master Hand > Kuja added to the Hall of Fame.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 8:01:03 PM | message detail
Melee > FFX 2004 added as well.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 6/10/2009 8:04:13 PM | message detail
I'd say Diablo > Ridley deserves a spot in the HoF. That was the most hyped match in the entire contest.
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Draco1214 | Posted 6/10/2009 8:24:33 PM | message detail
Because I'm bored, I've been trying to come up with a 1-on-1 games contest (no division by era). This is the division I came up with a while back. Predict it!

Flood Division:
(1) Halo: Combat Evolved
(8) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

(4) Mega Man X
(5) Final Fantasy Tactics

(3) Half-Life 2
(6) Metal Gear Solid 2

(2) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(7) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/10/2009 8:26:00 PM | message detail
Red Sox, where is my fan fic?
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/10/2009 8:26:02 PM | message detail
Eh, Mario > Big Boss was a bigger match than it's getting credit for. Only 15% of brackets had Boss advancing (and it was only the second round), and although we agreed BB was the favorite after seeing that pic it was still expected to be a close match. Mainly though it was there due to being the biggest example of pic factor we'd ever seen to that point... but I'll agree, its not as exciting now that we've seen more of it in '08, and more of Magus embarrassing himself as well. So I'm fine with that leaving the HoF.

Mario > Samus is weird to think of as a HoFer just because it was without a doubt the most disappointing match in history. Two months of constant hype for THAT? But ehh, I guess the fact that we're still discussing it 3 years later makes it worthy.

While we're on the subject, what 2009 matches deserve HoF consideration?

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RockMFR 5 | Posted 6/10/2009 8:27:01 PM | message detail
Halo: Combat Evolved
Final Fantasy Tactics
Half-Life 2
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
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xp1337 | Posted 6/10/2009 8:29:24 PM | message detail
While we're on the subject, what 2009 matches deserve HoF consideration?

SMB3 v LoZ probably deserves a mention, as does one of the CT/SM64 matches, but which one may be up for debate.

OoT/FFVII/FFX/LttP for obvious reasons.

Perhaps the Symphonia match, but I don't know if that's considered major enough.

Similarly, perhaps RBY, but I don't know which match. Round 1 was insane, but arguably some of the later ones were more impressive.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 8:33:11 PM | message detail
Which matches from this contest should make it into the Hall of Fame?

I wold consider the following. Not all of them are going to make it, but they should at least deserve a consideration.

SMetroid > SMK > Sonic 3 > Gunstar Heroes
Oblivion > Symphonia > God of War > GTA:SA
RE4 > KH2 > SotC > Gears of War
SM64 > CT > SotN > YI
OoT > RBY > MGS > FF8
SMW > SMB3 > Zelda > SMB
MGS4 > Brawl > TP > RE4
OoT > FF7 > LttP > FFX
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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/10/2009 8:36:01 PM | message detail
The final certainly.

Either the first or third round RBY match, probably the third round because we were completely backwards on it (pretty sure FFVIII > MGS > RBY was the consensus).

Mario 64/Chrono Trigger part 1 because it was such a huge surprise.

Mario 3/Mario World/Zelda 1 is probably the most interesting comeback attempt, though I personally don't care for it.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 8:42:22 PM | message detail
Full list of Hall of Fame matches:

2002
Donkey Kong > Aya Brea
Samus > Sonic
Sephiroth > Mega Man
Mario > Cloud
Mario > Crono

2003
Kefka > Pac-Man
Magus > Ganondorf
Squall > Luigi
Vercetti > Donkey Kong
Mario > Crono
Cloud > Link

2004 Games
Donkey Kong > Duck Hunt
Starcraft > Halo
Metal Gear Solid > Final Fantasy Tactics
Starcraft > Wind Waker
Melee > Final Fantasy X
Chrono Trigger > Link to the Past
Melee > Starcraft

2004 Characters
Frog > Liquid Snake
Ryu Hayabusa > Jill Valentine
Link > Ganondorf
Frog > Master Chief

2005 Villains
Master Hand > Kuja

2005 Characters
Vercetti > Kefka
Knuckles > Magus
Master Chief > Donkey Kong
Vincent > Squall
Mario > Samus
Bowser > Snake
Mega Man > Sonic

2006 Series
Castlevania > Halo
Warcraft > Grand Theft Auto
Kingdom Hearts > Castlevania
Resident Evil > Street Fighter
Zelda > Final Fantasy

2006 Characters
Sub-Zero > Master Chief
Peach > Jill
Samus > Tifa
Sonic > Crono
Link > Cloud > Snake > Sephiroth
Jay Solano > Link

2007
Samus > Frog > Axel > Kerrigan
Magus > Phoenix > Bomberman > Crash
Liquid Snake > Alucard > Ness > Zidane
Link > Vincent > Crono > Zero
Pikachu > Dante > Leon > Amaterasu
L-Block > Snake > Sonic > Squall
L-Block > Snake > Master Chief > Dante
L-Block > Link > Cloud > Snake

2008
Crono > Pikachu > L-Block > Alucard
Samus > Crono > Vincent > Pikachu
Sephiroth > Kirby > Sonic > Dante
Snake > Cloud > Kirby > Sephiroth
Link > Snake > Cloud > Crono


I am thinking about removing the bolded ones. Any thoughts for or against removing any one of them?
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/10/2009 8:45:06 PM | message detail
Donkey Kong/Aya was the first ever successful comeback.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 8:49:02 PM | message detail
Eh, all right. DK/Aya Brea is safe.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/10/2009 8:55:53 PM | message detail
Squall > Luigi was huge since almost everyone thought Luigi was going to destroy Squall. So many people suicided that a user level had to be put in (you must be level 15 to enter this board)
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XxSoulxX | Posted 6/10/2009 8:59:03 PM | message detail
Link > Ganondorf is legendary, why would you even think about taking it out? Mention SFF and that is the first match that everyone thinks of.

KH > CV is an upset, nothing really special about it.

Squall > Luigi is much more important because of all the suicides and the fact the board was altered in order to stop new accounts being made just to suicide.

The Block/Snake/Dante/Chief was a great match that really spear-headed the run, but it really isn't necessary when you have the other Block matches.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/10/2009 8:59:14 PM | message detail
(8) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

(4) Mega Man X

(3) Half-Life 2

(7) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

(4) Mega Man X

(3) Half-Life 2

(4) Mega Man X

The only issue with me is HL2/MGS2. Can't really be confident with either or them, but I'll trust the one that I feel is more liked between the two.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/10/2009 9:02:06 PM | message detail
Yikes MT, you're really showing your age by suggesting Squall > Luigi! Click into that match and look it over, you're in for a heck of a history lesson.

We had never seen true SFF until Link/Ganon, and it absolutely stunned us. That wasn't a "great" match by any means, but it's a very important result historically and needs to stay.

I'm... not sure what was so great about KH/Castlevania though. I mean it was a decent match, but I forget why it was considered HoF worthy.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/10/2009 9:10:15 PM | message detail
I think it's because everybody jumped on the Castlevania hype train (MY train, dammit) after CV beat up Halo, and then Castlevania took a big lead before getting crushed in the day by Kingdom Hearts. It's also one of the two comebacks in the whole damn contest. I don't think it merits being in the hall of fame though.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/10/2009 9:12:48 PM | message detail
I would only consider removing the last two bolded, and I would still object to L/MC/Dante/Solid from 2007 being dropped. As already mentioned, it made L's next match an inevitable win, plus it had MC peak with the Halo 3 hype -- just compare him to Dante in 2008, and don't forget to see what Solid did in 2006 and 2008 too. That was a big match.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 9:18:17 PM | message detail
All right, Link > Ganondorf and Squall > Luigi are safe.

I am removing Kingdom Hearts > Castlevania and the second L-Block > Snake match, though.
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KingBartz | Posted 6/10/2009 9:26:23 PM | message detail
(1) Halo: Combat Evolved
(4) Mega Man X
(6) Metal Gear Solid 2
(7) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

(4) Mega Man X
(6) Metal Gear Solid 2

(6) Metal Gear Solid 2

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Big Bob | Posted 6/10/2009 9:27:10 PM | message detail
...How is Resident Evil > Street Fighter significant in ANY way?
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 9:36:03 PM | message detail
Good point, it is not significant.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/10/2009 9:40:09 PM | message detail
Well, it finished within 2000 votes, SF's night vote got the lead down to only 130 (and we weren't SURE RE would take advantage of the day like we were with Mario RPG), and it's possibly the biggest example of pic factor ever.

But HoF worthy? Eh, I guess it could come down.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/10/2009 10:01:39 PM | message detail
While we're on the subject, what 2009 matches deserve HoF consideration?

The final, LoZ/Mario 3, possibly the first Mario 3/Mario World match, the first CT/Mario 64 match, and the first Super Metroid/Mario Kart match if you're so inclined.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/10/2009 10:02:30 PM | message detail
And the fact that Squall > Luigi was suggested by someone to be removed shows that people seem to have ingrained in their minds that a match has to be close to be good/significant!
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/10/2009 10:30:49 PM | message detail
SMB3/SMW #1 should be on there for sure -- they shut up FF2/4's path to victory real quick while SMW was showing SMB3 that it's not the undisputed #1 SMB-game anymore. This also started a big debated rivalry late in the contest.

I'll also support SM/SMK #1 for similar reasons -- Sonic 3/Genesis was trashed while SMK made a hell of a match with the big board favorite by a weird ASV, and then it made R2 more interesting. It became a small rivalry because of them, too.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 6/10/2009 10:31:07 PM | message detail
Forgive me if this is stupid but how about OoT > Pokemon RBY > MGS > FFVIII? A little note to Pokemon's attempt at a run.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/10/2009 10:32:25 PM | message detail
Oh yeah, I'll go with OoT > RBY > MGS > FFVIII as well. No problem with that.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/10/2009 10:43:40 PM | message detail
Agreed, and I'll also motion for RBY > LoZ:MM > PD > BK. The hype was increasingly huge and RBY ended up beating all three of them.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/10/2009 10:44:18 PM | message detail
Ehh, I don't know if I'd put that first round match in there. Yeah, it shocked the heck out of everyone, but still.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/10/2009 10:45:12 PM | message detail
I think it should considered. Remember the Crew percentages? The highest RBY % was off by like 16%. I think that match set some sort of record for that.

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Meeks54 | Posted 6/10/2009 10:45:42 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #443
Oh yeah, I'll go with OoT > RBY > MGS > FFVIII as well. No problem with that.




No way, unless we put two Pokemon RBY matches.

Pokemon crucifying The Legend of Zelda and signaling its arrival as the #3 game on the site has to be in the HoF.

Beating 2 games it was much stronger than while resisting SFF is not nearly as impressive IMO.
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Ultimaphazon | Posted 6/11/2009 3:02:28 AM | message detail

From: Meeks54 | #447
No way, unless we put two Pokemon RBY matches.

Pokemon crucifying The Legend of Zelda and signaling its arrival as the #3 game on the site has to be in the HoF.

Beating 2 games it was much stronger than while resisting SFF is not nearly as impressive IMO.


I agree. That first match was a lot more impressive to me than the 3rd round match.

I had RBY winning round 1, but over 50%... damn

The 3rd round was really just RBY not getting crushed by OOT, and FFVIII proving once and for all that Starcraft was a fraud.
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Gaddswell | Posted 6/11/2009 3:49:23 AM | message detail
Isn't Kingdom Hearts > Soul Calibur in 04 the match that first showed off the ASV and trends in the way we know it today?
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/11/2009 4:29:26 AM | message detail
I love how a game that I picked to lose in the first round beat a game that I picked to make the finals.