GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 750
red sox 777 | Posted 6/10/2009 4:58:44 PM | message detail |
And Link doesn't win in 4-ways? Even if he were to somehow lose the final, say with a Link/Cloud/Mario/Samus final, that victory by Cloud would be completely empty. I'd rather the strongest, most popular, character won. If I wanted an unpredictable contest where popularity doesn't matter, we could get a much more unpredictable contest by having SBAllen roll dice every day to determine who wins. It would also be completely boring and uninteresting. --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 4:59:16 PM | message detail |
4ways
aren't inherently better or less boring and predictable than 1v1s --
this last contest should tell say it all there. It's all about how the
bracket is made, not what format we use. Exactly. This last contest was boring because it was divided by generations and the bracket was made poorly. --- My bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 Krahenprophet's superior bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=199 |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/10/2009 4:59:38 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #351 if you just want the stronger character to win, then basically you want the exact same results, never changing, year after year talk about boring --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg Krahenprophet is my little butterfly! |
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 6/10/2009 5:01:25 PM | message detail |
I cannot see how a format that would just have Link > Cloud in the finals could be anything but boring and predictable. Link > Cloud is still pretty much a lock in 4 way battle. Sure, Cloud has screwed it up 2 out of 2 times, but neither is something you can expect to happen again. I guess Cloud might find a 3rd way to screw up, but I wouldn't count on it. --- KrahenProphet, he come to town! Come to win the GameFAQs Contest! Congrats to KrahenProphet on winning the Best Game Ever 2009 Guru Contest! |
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 6/10/2009 5:02:39 PM | message detail |
if you just want the stronger character to win, then basically you want the exact same results, never changing, year after year Sure, I see no problem with the more popular character winning a match in a popularity contest. --- KrahenProphet, he come to town! Come to win the GameFAQs Contest! Congrats to KrahenProphet on winning the Best Game Ever 2009 Guru Contest! |
red sox 777 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:03:30 PM | message detail |
If
we're going to disconnect these contests from, well, strength, then
what point is there to even holding them? I want Crono to win the
contest because he's actually the strongest character, not because he
flukes wins every round from massive LFF. Does it matter that Crono
will in all probability never win a legitimate contest? Of course not,
if he can't win a contest legitimately, he doesn't deserve to win a
contest, however much I want him to. And you people who think 1v1s are so predictable- why didn't you win the 2005 and 2006 contests? --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/10/2009 5:03:59 PM | message detail |
From: Team Rocket Elite | #355 thats part of why MLB sucks. Due to no salary cap, we almost always have the same teams dominating every year. I prefer NFL since due to salary cap, you have different teams doing well every year. I don't know why anyone would want the same domination every year instead of being able to mix it up (aka 4ways). --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg Krahenprophet is my little butterfly! |
MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 5:05:07 PM | message detail |
Pretty much what Albion said. Plus, these contest are for fun. Who care which video game character is most popular, anyway? They are video game characters, for god's sake! We could still have debated final's matchups in 4-ways. We cannot in a 1-on-1. --- My bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 Krahenprophet's superior bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=199 |
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:06:10 PM | message detail |
Who cares if the final match is debatable or not? --- In-de-structable. Nothing's gonna stop me now. http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w333/usagiaruku/1224857053726.jpg |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/10/2009 5:06:35 PM | message detail |
Yeah, I care about the contests being fun. Being "Legit" is secondary if the contest isn't fun. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg Krahenprophet is my little butterfly! |
red sox 777 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:08:14 PM | message detail |
There's
a reason FFVII vs. OOT outdrew FFVII/OOT/LTTP/FFX by miles. 4-ways can
never generate the excitement and intensity that is possible with 1v1.
Think about what would happen if, in the Super Bowl, there were 2 other
teams that periodically, at random times, ran across the field tackling
as many people as possible. Wouldn't it turn the NFL into a complete
joke? --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:08:45 PM | message detail |
Here. Link Dante Sonic Vincent Mega Man Squall Crono Tifa Sephiroth Samus Mario Snake Cloud Mega Man X Ganondorf Auron 7 or 8 potentially debatable matches. --- In-de-structable. Nothing's gonna stop me now. http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w333/usagiaruku/1224857053726.jpg |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/10/2009 5:08:55 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #361 people really need to rest these 4way sports game comparisons. They make no sense and add nothing to the debate --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg Krahenprophet is my little butterfly! |
red sox 777 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:09:14 PM | message detail |
Legitimacy is a necessary prerequisite for fun. --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/10/2009 5:09:46 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #364 Maybe for complete statheads. But for me, I'd take fun over it. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg Krahenprophet is my little butterfly! |
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:09:59 PM | message detail |
Actually,
I probably should have mixed up the Sonic/ Mega Man/Crono gauntlet a
bit so that Vincent can potentially meet Crono at one point or another. --- KrakenProphet is IN-DE-STRUCTABLE. http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/10/2009 5:11:08 PM | message detail |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=49917687 don't be mad plz --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... Krahenprophet pwn me... in the Guru Contest! |
ZFS | Posted 6/10/2009 5:11:53 PM | message detail |
and win --- There ain't no gettin' offa this train we're on |
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:12:36 PM | message detail |
From: ZFS | #363 and win you're not allowed to vote --- KrakenProphet is IN-DE-STRUCTABLE. http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:13:21 PM | message detail |
I
don't see it as a choice between legitimacy and fun- really the contest
just isn't fun for me without legitimacy. Why? It's a popularity
contest, isn't it? To decide which character is more popular? Well, if
a poll doesn't actually do that, it becomes meaningless, and there's no
fun in meaningless matches in anything. Crono crushed Mario last year-
but while it was nice to see, I really don't care. I would be ecstatic
over Crono beating Mario 1v1 this fall, and probably pretty crushed if
he lost. Much more excitement either way. --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/10/2009 5:14:27 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #370 since you love your sports examples... say a stronger team faces a weaker team, but their best player gets injured early on in the game and lose it. Does that make the win not legit? --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg Krahenprophet is my little butterfly! |
MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 5:14:29 PM | message detail |
Sports
analogies suck. This is not a sport. This is one blue bar, another blue
bar, and comparing which one is longer. And in a 1-on-1 contest, if the
word Link appears to the left of one blue bar, that will automatically
be the longest bar. --- My bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 Krahenprophet's superior bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=199 |
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 6/10/2009 5:16:23 PM | message detail |
thats
part of why MLB sucks. Due to no salary cap, we almost always have the
same teams dominating every year. I prefer NFL since due to salary cap,
you have different teams doing well every year. I don't know why anyone would want the same domination every year instead of being able to mix it up (aka 4ways). A salary cap still means the team is winning on its own ability. I guess they could simulate LFF by randomly having one team play with an arm tied behind their back or have this factor based on how other teams are doing or something. Plus, these contest are for fun. Who care which video game character is most popular, anyway? They are video game characters, for god's sake! I care. <_< Supporting characters or games I like and seeing them do well is fun. However, it's a meaningless win of the character I'm supporting wins because their opponent is being triple LFF'd. It's only not fun to see a character you support lose to a weaker character because the are being LFF'd. --- KrahenProphet, he come to town! Come to win the GameFAQs Contest! Congrats to KrahenProphet on winning the Best Game Ever 2009 Guru Contest! |
Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/10/2009 5:17:37 PM | message detail |
sports analogies time for team battles then! --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. I believed in LttP. Krahenprophet believed in OoT. Only he remained alive to tell the tale. |
red sox 777 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:18:42 PM | message detail |
Does that make the win not legit? That's never a fun way to win. It's sometimes unavoidable though, while 4-ways are very avoidable. This is not a sport. It's better. This is one blue bar, another blue bar, and comparing which one is longer. Isn't it great? And in a 1-on-1 contest, if the word Link appears to the left of one blue bar, that will automatically be the longest bar. Aw yeah Link. And if you really want to see him dethroned, Link losing a single contest 1v1 would instantly be more glorious than all the losses he might ever take in 4-ways (which would probably be close to 0, but that's beside the point). --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 6/10/2009 5:22:14 PM | message detail |
since
you love your sports examples... say a stronger team faces a weaker
team, but their best player gets injured early on in the game and lose
it. Does that make the win not legit? I wouldn't say not legit, I'd say less legit. If the game is close, the injury might really have affected the results. A 4 way battle win is still officially a win it just doesn't carry the same weight as a 1 on 1 win. --- KrahenProphet, he come to town! Come to win the GameFAQs Contest! Congrats to KrahenProphet on winning the Best Game Ever 2009 Guru Contest! |
MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 5:22:56 PM | message detail |
Link Dante Sonic Vincent Mega Man Squall Crono Tifa Sephiroth Samus Mario Snake Cloud Mega Man X Ganondorf Auron Debatable in bold Link > Dante Vincent > Sonic Squall > Mega Man Crono > Tifa Sephiroth > Samus Mario > Snake Cloud > Mega Man X Auron > Ganondorf Link > Vincent/Sonic Crono > Mega Man/Squall Sephiroth > Mario/Snake Cloud > Auron/Ganondorf Link > Crono/Mega Man/Squall Cloud > Sephiroth Link > Cloud I see 5 debatable matches, out of 15. This is about the best possible 1-on-1 bracket you could make, too. --- My bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 Krahenprophet's superior bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=199 |
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:26:59 PM | message detail |
Crono/Tifa
is somewhat debatable, though Tifa would probably be better off against
Mega Man, and Crono should get Squall or Vincent. I'm pretty sure a few people would be willing to go for Samus > Sephiroth and I know plenty of people here would be itching to pull the trigger on Mario/Snake > Sephiroth. --- KrakenProphet is IN-DE-STRUCTABLE. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/Saturn.gif |
red sox 777 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:29:22 PM | message detail |
Many
times, matches we think are obvious prove themselves to be not so
obvious. Just make a fair bracket with copious amounts of non-SFF
matches and let the contest make itself interesting. For example, here
is the final 8 in 2006: Samus Tifa Zelda Yuna Snake Megaman Crono Sonic This is what we thought was obvious: Samus > Tifa Zelda > Yuna Megaman > Snake Crono > Sonic Samus > Zelda Crono > Megaman Samus > Crono (well, there was quite a bit of Crono support I think, but Samus still had a big majority of Guru brackets) In fact, 3 of those picks were simply wrong, and a 4th result was almost wrong in a much more shocking way. --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
paulg235 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:36:10 PM | message detail |
I'd support Tifa to go against Crono, Sonic, Mega Man, Vincent, and/or Squall this year. --- The Gamer In Me And that's the bottom line, because KrahenProphet said so. |
MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 5:41:16 PM | message detail |
Yeah, Mega Man/Tifa and Crono/Squall would be much better matches. I cannot quite see Mario/Snake > Sephiroth just yet, though I guess it would be possible. Which would make it 7/15 debatable matches. --- My bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 Krahenprophet's superior bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=199 |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/10/2009 5:43:04 PM | message detail |
I'd give Squall the win against Crono these days --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg Krahenprophet is my little butterfly! |
paulg235 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:44:59 PM | message detail |
Link >> Dante Vincent > Sonic Squall > Mega Man Tifa > Crono Sephiroth > Samus Mario > Snake Cloud > Mega Man X Auron > Ganondorf Link >> Vincent Tifa > Squall Sephiroth > Mario Cloud >> Auron Link > Tifa Cloud > Sephiroth Cloud > Link (BELIEVE) lol at 3 FF7 characters in the final four. Best contest ever if it happened. --- The Gamer In Me And that's the bottom line, because KrahenProphet said so. |
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:45:32 PM | message detail |
And you consider half the matches being debatable boring and predictable? --- KrakenProphet is IN-DE-STRUCTABLE. http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Javer8000/FanimeCon2008/Sandbag.jpg |
paulg235 | Posted 6/10/2009 5:58:30 PM | message detail |
I just thought of an exciting four-way bracket. Predict if you want. Tifa Master Chief Sonic Mega Man Sora Ryu Mario Ryu Hayabusa Sephiroth Mega Man X Vincent Kirby Luigi Zack Fair Cloud Leon Kennedy Pikachu Dante Link Alucard Samus L-Block Squall Bowser Crono Kratos Big Boss Ganondorf Yoshi Gordon Freeman Solid Snake Zelda --- The Gamer In Me And that's the bottom line, because KrahenProphet said so. |
MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 6:10:45 PM | message detail |
Half
of the matches being debatable or unpredictable is not bad, but compare
that to nearly every match being debatable or unpredictable in a 4-way.
Take the 2008 contest: Link > Zack Mario > X Samus > Vincent Crono > Pikachu Snake > Cube Cloud > Mewtwo Kirby > Dante Sephiroth > Sonic Link > Mario Samus > Crono Cloud > Snake Sephiroth > Kirby Link > Crono Snake > Cloud Link > Snake --- My bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 Krahenprophet's superior bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=199 |
KamikazePotato | Posted 6/10/2009 6:12:23 PM | message detail |
I'm just tired of LFF. --- Kahenprophet lived up to his name. |
red sox 777 | Posted 6/10/2009 6:36:20 PM | message detail |
Those
final 2 weeks were the only good part of last year's contest though,
and they still pale in terms of excitement in comparison to the final 2
weeks of SC2K2, SC2K3, SpC2K4, SC2K5, and SC2K6. The only full length
1v1 contest they beat is the SFF-fest known as SC2K4. --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
red sox 777 | Posted 6/10/2009 6:38:18 PM | message detail |
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/10/2009 6:38:55 PM | message detail |
And
one last thing on this 1v1/4-ways debate: it's almost never the matches
we expect to be exciting that actually are the most exciting, with
basically 2 exceptions as far as I can think of, both involving Crono
(he's just a very exciting character!). --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 6/10/2009 6:47:18 PM | message detail |
Motion: Whenever a newcomer asks "Who are the Noble Nine?" we post this http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7044/thenobleninecomplete.jpg --- Kahenprophet lived up to his name. |
MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 6:56:06 PM | message detail |
The first 2 rounds in nearly every contest generally has sucked. I would put the last 15 days of the 2008 contest ahead of 2003 and 2006 contests as well. The 2003 contest just sucked in general. Outside of Cloud > Link, Mario > Crono, and Magus > Ganon the rest of the 2003 matches were real snoozefests. Sure, many matches were debated at the time, but that was because we had no knowledge of the strength of many of the characters in the contest. We do not have that excuse now. Interestingly, the most memorable part of the 2006 contest was the 4-way match where Snake edged out Sephiroth for third. Samus > Tifa and Sonic > Crono were great matches as well. Other than that? Pretty boring contest. --- My bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 Krahenprophet's superior bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=199 |
xp1337 | Posted 6/10/2009 6:56:56 PM | message detail |
I
know this has been brought up before, but I immediately object to the
whole "unpredictable" = fun notion. It doesn't always automatically
mean that. I mean, looking at list of those 15 2k8 matches, the only one I really found fun was Crono/Vincent II, and to a lesser extent Pikachu/L-Block. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (190/240) 99.4958 Percentile |
Ngamer64 | Posted 6/10/2009 6:57:08 PM | message detail |
Out of the 35 1v1 matches that have made the Contest Hall of Fame, http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Matches the only ones we had expected to be exciting/interesting pre-Contest were... * Chrono Trigger vs Link to the Past 2004 * Mario vs Crono 2003 * Mega Man vs Sonic 2005 * StarCraft vs Halo 2004 * The Legend of Zelda vs Final Fantasy 2006 So I've got to agree with red sox here! --- KrahenProphet is the King of the Gurus! All Hail! thengamer.com/guru | thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com |
MetricTrout | Posted 6/10/2009 7:06:00 PM | message detail |
Whoa, I never noticed the Hall of Fame before. Looks like a pretty good representation of the best matches of the contest to me. I think Snake > Bowser 2005 should definitely be added, and Mario > Samus 2005 simply because how often it gets brought up. --- My bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 Krahenprophet's superior bracket: http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=199 |
red sox 777 | Posted 6/10/2009 7:12:42 PM | message detail |
Snake > Bowser was a great match, yes. Bowser got soooooo close to breaking the Noble Nine. Oh yeah, that's another reason why we need to bring back 1v1s. The bottom of the Noble Nine has had it coming to them for years (since 2004, really, with how weak Snake was that year) and have somehow escaped one way or another. Since 2007, they haven't had to escape at all thanks to 4-ways. Let the Noble Nine finally be broken or else dash the hopes of the near-elites on the rock known as the Noble Nine as it has always been! Magus, Zero, Bowser, Ganondorf......all one time #10 characters these were. They fought the Noble Nine, failed, and were condemned to a long fall from grace afterward. Vincent, can you do what they could not? Or will you be the next to suffer the Curse of the Noble Nine? --- Krahenprophet he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
RPGuy96 | Posted 6/10/2009 7:13:20 PM | message detail |
Most
of us didn't expect The Legend of Zelda/Final Fantasy to be
particularly exciting pre-contest! FF had 80% of the Guru brackets and
most of us didn't think it would be close. --- Krahenprophet...and Guru... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
LordOfDabu | Posted 6/10/2009 7:13:26 PM | message detail |
Does anyone have the votals for this contest and last contest (characters 2k8) in a table anywhere? Something like http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/39 but for the two most recent contests. --- Better to ask than to speculate |
HaRRicH | Posted 6/10/2009 7:13:43 PM | message detail |
I'll back MT on those suggestions. --- KrahenProfit: a one-Guru wrecking crew. He savagely abused my bracket. |
RPGuy96 | Posted 6/10/2009 7:17:19 PM | message detail |
I don't think KH/CV really deserves to be on there (though CV/Halo surely does!). Same with Mario/Big Boss/Magus/Phoenix. --- Krahenprophet...and Guru... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
