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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 748

red sox 777 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:16:23 AM | message detail
Link/Tanner vs. Cloud/Snake?

Link- one of my favorite characters.
Cloud- one of my favorite characters.
Tanner- completely indifferent.
Snake- completely indifferent.

So I guess that means if OOT wins this match, I'll be voting Cloud/Snake, but if FFVII comes back, I'll have to think further about this. I'd probably vote Crono/Tanner over any possible combination of 2 characters.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 6/8/2009 12:16:30 AM | message detail
What about 4 ways but you're able to vote twice?

We'd have only Nintendo games/characters remaining by the third round.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/8/2009 12:16:37 AM | message detail

From: Lopen | #292
You know, after seeing this, I don't really think 1v1 is the solution anymore. I look at this bracket, and I think "what if this were 1v1, would it be any more satisfying?"

I don't think it would be. Granted... filthy pairings like SMB3 and SMW would linger in the bracket for less time and wouldn't trickle down to mess up a ton of matches, but other than that... I'd really just like to see a new format at this point.


I think a great 1v1 bracket can still be put together with no format changes and no gimmicks (outside of removing Link/Cloud/maybe Seph and doing another tournament of champions thing). We have so many great setups with tons of potential and debate - the best of which being the lower-level Noble Niners (Sonic, Mega, Crono) against the Square near elites that look like they can take them. Also, Snake vs. Mario/Samus would be big, and people would actually care about these. Will never happen, but it's nice to think about.
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hochiminhX | Posted 6/8/2009 12:17:55 AM | message detail
I would take Vincent, Squall, Auron and Tifa over Mega Man.

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transience | Posted 6/8/2009 12:19:06 AM | message detail
the solution with this contest is to kick FF7 and OOT out. the battle for the top would still be Nintendo dominated, but it;'d be damn unpredictable.
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 6/8/2009 12:19:14 AM | message detail
None of those would beat Megaman.. especially Tifa who only got 43% on Sonic. Vincent probably would.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/8/2009 12:20:05 AM | message detail
The real reason contest have sucked is because Bacon has no clue how to make a bracket. 1-on-1 or 4-way.

How about this?

Quarterfinals:

Crono
Link
Sonic
Vincent

Dante
Pikachu
Samus
Snake

Cloud
L-Block
Mario
Squall

Luigi
Mega Man
Sephiroth
Squall

Now you create a better, less predictable 1-on-1 bracket.
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Lopen | Posted 6/8/2009 12:20:19 AM | message detail
Sox, I didn't mean to literally take that match. Take Link/Cloud vs Tanner/Your Favorite Character.

What do you vote? Or how about if Tanner is replaced by a character you despise? I don't think it's that simple.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/8/2009 12:21:32 AM | message detail
In before Leonhart proclaims it the best quarterfinals ever.
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Lopen | Posted 6/8/2009 12:22:28 AM | message detail
XD. Or the worst. Squall gets eliminated two times!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/8/2009 12:22:43 AM | message detail
I'd vote for Ariel if she was partnered with the entire Taliban.
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Big Bob | Posted 6/8/2009 12:22:56 AM | message detail
Sadly, I've already started working on amusing "pairings".

Ryu/Ryu Hayabusa
Gordon Freeman/Duke Nukem
Kirby/Dante
Master Chief/Pikachu (Strongest day vote EVER)
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:23:37 AM | message detail
I don't think I'm the best person to ask if you want your ideas on this validated, Lopen. When I get behind something, I get really really really behind something. Most of the site probably isn't like me, but who knows.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 6/8/2009 12:23:39 AM | message detail
*Master Chief/Master Hand

=D
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:24:08 AM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #299
Depends. I would vote for Crono regardless.


This.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/8/2009 12:24:51 AM | message detail
I'd like a Master Chief/Link pairing.

You know your final sucks when you start thinking 2v2 is a good idea.
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Lopen | Posted 6/8/2009 12:25:10 AM | message detail
I don't think I'm the best person to ask if you want your ideas on this validated, Lopen. When I get behind something, I get really really really behind something. Most of the site probably isn't like me, but who knows.

So you're saying you'd vote your favorite character in all situations then? Well, alright. Anyway, I'm just saying this should at least make you doubt whether it's the case for everyone. I don't think it'd be 1v1 like at all. Nor would it be as simple as "take a four way and sum the percentages"
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:25:12 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #303
I think a great 1v1 bracket can still be put together with no format changes and no gimmicks (outside of removing Link/Cloud/maybe Seph and doing another tournament of champions thing). We have so many great setups with tons of potential and debate - the best of which being the lower-level Noble Niners (Sonic, Mega, Crono) against the Square near elites that look like they can take them. Also, Snake vs. Mario/Samus would be big, and people would actually care about these. Will never happen, but it's nice to think about.




How about we keep Seph in, and let him actually win one of these things, since he has never actually won.
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xp1337 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:25:19 AM | message detail
Master Chief/Magus, what would their ASV be, or would it just alternate between amazing updates and horrible ones in an attempt to bring balance?
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/8/2009 12:26:12 AM | message detail
Partnering up character is one of the worst contest ideas there.

The format is fine as is. If Bacon could actually make a good bracket, we would have a better contest.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 6/8/2009 12:26:13 AM | message detail
You know your final sucks when you start thinking 2v2 is a good idea.

OoT > FF7 is an awesome final. That aside, I do remember the response to team battles being far more negative before.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/8/2009 12:26:52 AM | message detail
Yeah, Seph has reason to stay. I don't mean to fan the flames here, but the way he's gone out the last two years and with FFVII losing a step, I think he's lost that aura of invincibility. Maybe the pasta eater could cheat out a win.
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Lopen | Posted 6/8/2009 12:27:30 AM | message detail
I'd take Snake or Mario over Seph 1v1 at this point. Would strongly consider Samus, too.
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GoldSlime35 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:28:20 AM | message detail
Somebody probably already noticed this, but anyway:

supdawg is so far ahead of everyone, that even if this result holds, he's still going to finish in the top 15-20 despite getting the champion wrong. Thats pretty crazy.
red sox 777 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:29:11 AM | message detail
This is very likely going to be our closest final ever, even if FFVII doesn't come all the way back. 'Twas a fairly lackluster contest, but the final week and this final redeemed it. Any problems stemming from this final are much more to do with Nintendo dominance making contests uninteresting than anything else. And again, this isn't over.
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ZFS | Posted 6/8/2009 12:29:15 AM | message detail
save_us.lightning

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xp1337 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:29:28 AM | message detail
No way I take Seph to lose to not Link or Cloud, but go ahead, put him back in, the Villains Contest was a cheap way to remove him from the bracket in the first place. If we're going to keep him out of the main brackets, let him earn it first, I have no doubt he can do it, but at least give him that opportunity.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/8/2009 12:30:03 AM | message detail
Lightning is gonna rock these contests
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:30:39 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #322
Yeah, Seph has reason to stay. I don't mean to fan the flames here, but the way he's gone out the last two years and with FFVII losing a step, I think he's lost that aura of invincibility. Maybe the pasta eater could cheat out a win.




I would think Mario would need to cheat like 10,000 votes in the final update to win (not that I put it past him of course) cause I can't see Samus or Mario standing to Seph one on one.
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Lord_Yggdrassil | Posted 6/8/2009 12:30:41 AM | message detail
XD at people who thought this was a foregone conclusion, using 2004's stats to put OoT time down.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/8/2009 12:30:46 AM | message detail
First of all, shame on dueling topics and especially the competition between you two to see who could get the most posts in their respective topics during it. Yeesh.

This final is cool, but I still want a one-on-one tomorrow for respect's sake and to catch a glimpse of the old times.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/8/2009 12:31:27 AM | message detail
Set up six heroes for Sephiroth to slay for the title, culminating in a win over pastaface. Would be ace.
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Lord_Yggdrassil | Posted 6/8/2009 12:32:15 AM | message detail
I lost all respect for the TC. Going around calling SOTC a terrible game is just sickening.
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Lopen | Posted 6/8/2009 12:33:14 AM | message detail

This final is cool, but I still want a one-on-one tomorrow for respect's sake and to catch a glimpse of the old times.


Given that the match contains two Zeldas and two FFs, with the lesser FFs and Zeldas barely scraping by with 20% of the vote, that would be entirely unnecessary. I'd prefer some manner of joke poll like we've had in years past.

And the idea that the last week was laughable. I lost interest in this thing when we hit the quarters. I actually liked when we had a bunch of random trash fodder more. <_<
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:33:26 AM | message detail
Well, every time we think there's a weakness in Clinkeroth's armor, we always see Sephiroth/Mario, and that kills it. I think Snake has a much better chance than Mario; he's just stronger. Maybe Samus too, as she's also stronger than Mario indirectly again, but probably not as strong as Snake. Seph's got to be the big favorite against all of them though.
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transience | Posted 6/8/2009 12:34:11 AM | message detail
OOT's gonna win this by like 8000 votes

yeesh
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/8/2009 12:34:29 AM | message detail
If Sephiroth is thrown into a contest alone we could see the villain effect. And with stronger people than Ganondorf around, a Sephiroth losing isn't farfetched
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/8/2009 12:34:55 AM | message detail
We don't actually know if that's true or not. Even if it is true, we still get a stealth 1v1 bracket which a lot of people want to see but you like 4 ways better so I guess you wouldn't be one of them.

We could always try a team match for the bonus match idea.
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:35:35 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #335
Well, every time we think there's a weakness in Clinkeroth's armor, we always see Sephiroth/Mario, and that kills it. I think Snake has a much better chance than Mario; he's just stronger. Maybe Samus too, as she's also stronger than Mario indirectly again, but probably not as strong as Snake. Seph's got to be the big favorite against all of them though.




I would still take Samus and Mario over Snake quite easily 1 vs 1.


1 Link
Big Gap
2 Cloud
Bigger Gap
3 Seph
Big gap
4 Samus
5 Mario
6 Snake
7 Crono
Tiny gap
8 Megaman
Monumental gap
9 Sonic.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/8/2009 12:36:42 AM | message detail
those are the kind of constant updates FFVII needs
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/8/2009 12:36:50 AM | message detail
Crono on the same level as Samus/Mario/Snake? Someone's living in the past
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Lopen | Posted 6/8/2009 12:38:01 AM | message detail
Set up six heroes for Sephiroth to slay for the title, culminating in a win over pastaface. Would be ace.

Dude that would be awesome. Not only would it be cool for stylistic purposes, but it would in effect remove some elites from the bracket early to make the field more unpredictable. Although there is the issue of say, Samus only being in one match in the whole bracket being painful for votals.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:38:12 AM | message detail
FFVII with another 40 vote cut. This time it could be the start of a serious overnight comeback. I didn't expect it to beat OOT from 2 to 3, I rather thought FFVII would have been the game to get 49% that hour instead of OOT. That may have been a bit premature, but we're beginning to get into the deep night vote now.
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:38:35 AM | message detail

From: The n00b Avenger | #341
Crono on the same level as Samus/Mario/Snake? Someone's living in the past




He is below them, but not like Megaman and Sonic levels. Snake would beat him without question.
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 6/8/2009 12:40:06 AM | message detail
not MM/sonic levels? what? He LOST to sonic dude.
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Smurf FAQs | Posted 6/8/2009 12:40:11 AM | message detail
Jesus christ, what the hell is this ****
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:40:21 AM | message detail
Crono > Mario is an entirely reasonable pick and is going to be a really great upset pick (since no one will be taking it) this year. Not touching Crono > Samus or Crono > Snake though. Also not going to bother arguing Crono > Mario here, at least not until FFVII is winning.
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Smurf FAQs | Posted 6/8/2009 12:41:14 AM | message detail

From: Sonic_Factor | #345
not MM/sonic levels? what? He LOST to sonic dude.


He presumably meant he's below MM and Sonic in the Vincent bracket of strength.
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Lopen | Posted 6/8/2009 12:41:55 AM | message detail
After seeing all this Mario dominance here I'd expect it to seem even less likely now. Am I the only one who is expecting a Mario boost for the next contest?
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Meeks54 | Posted 6/8/2009 12:46:27 AM | message detail

From: Sonic_Factor | #345
not MM/sonic levels? what? He LOST to sonic dude.




in 2006 he did. Sonic has since fallen completely off the map.

Technically Crono is probably on a island for 7th, but I was not going to give him his own tier, so I threw him in the Samus, Mario, Snake tier. He is kinda like Cloud in that regard, he can't beat the guy above him, but he is far ahead of what is below him.
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