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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 747

BDawg | Posted 6/7/2009 9:55:21 PM | message detail
At this rate team FF will be lucky to get this to 52/48.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 9:55:28 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #398
You mean, allowing nominations for John Madden, etc?

Well, maybe all fictional characters. It would be hilarious to see Madden in there as a joke entry, but I actually want to give this idea traction, and allowing every big sports figure access to the bracket probably isn't the best way to accomplish that.


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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/7/2009 9:55:58 PM | message detail
Man, I've done horribly all contest and could still end up in the Top 20 because I have OoT winning. Crazy.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 9:56:19 PM | message detail
1000 vote barrier breached.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/7/2009 9:57:09 PM | message detail
You have Ocarina winning? Nice call! Wish I had the guts for that pick, but I wouldn't have dared even in max fanboy mode (especially when LttP seemed much safer to make it here than FFX).
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creativename | Posted 6/7/2009 9:57:20 PM | message detail
The reason it's possible is that FFVII has 44.20% on OOT right now. FFVII will fall in the day, but that will be a fall from its overnight numbers, and will still be way higher than what it's got right now. You've got to look at the amount of percentage FFVII has to swing and not which periods it will win.

The only logic I can think of to support FF7's chances are that the day trends will be different than normal, because the early vote crowd was more aware.

However while that should throw off the trends of the siblings, I don't think it affects the relative trends of FF7 and Ocarina much.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/7/2009 9:58:44 PM | message detail
My thought process for OoT winning was this:

"Okay. I had Snake>Cloud and then Link>Snake last contest AND THEN I CHANGED IT TO BE THE COOKIE PICKS. I'm not missing out on a bracket-making final decision again."

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red sox 777 | Posted 6/7/2009 10:00:28 PM | message detail
56-44 really isn't all that big a swing for FFVII to make, if there was a big early push to get OOT over it today. I mean, FFVII couldn't get the lead on CT in the 2004 final for an hour or so, and Bowser held up amazingly well early against Sephiroth.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:00:59 PM | message detail
Hey, OoT only gained 50 that time. Comeback time.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/7/2009 10:01:21 PM | message detail
55 vote gain for OoT to end the Power Hour. These gains are going to get smaller and smaller as we move later into the night.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/7/2009 10:01:50 PM | message detail
56-44 isn't a big swing for something with a bad power our and and a good day vote. For something with a bad power hour and a almost as bad day vote however...
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 6/7/2009 10:02:29 PM | message detail
And OOT leads FF7 by 1123 votes at the end of the power hour.

Even if OOT starts to lose steam now, will its lead be too sturdy for FF7 to knock down?
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Yesmar | Posted 6/7/2009 10:02:38 PM | message detail
"Okay. I had Snake>Cloud and then Link>Snake last contest AND THEN I CHANGED IT TO BE THE COOKIE PICKS. I'm not missing out on a bracket-making final decision again."

Same here, kind of. My last minute bracket changes saved me. I originally had MGS > FFX in the quarters and then RE4 making it into the finals the round after. I changed it to FFX making it all the way to the finals, causing FFVII to be leeched and then lose. I literally did this hours before the bracket closed.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/7/2009 10:02:49 PM | message detail
"Okay. I had Snake>Cloud and then Link>Snake last contest AND THEN I CHANGED IT TO BE THE COOKIE PICKS. I'm not missing out on a bracket-making final decision again."

Excellent decision. I originally had OoT > FFVII, but then I had to switch them around. The one thing I didn't fall for was the insane amount of Punch-Out support in the first match of the contest. I correctly called Tetris > Donkey Kong.
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 6/7/2009 10:02:57 PM | message detail
LttP's still gaining on FFX.

I think that's the biggest sign that FF7 is ****ed.
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creativename | Posted 6/7/2009 10:03:01 PM | message detail
56-44 really isn't all that big a swing for FFVII to make, if there was a big early push to get OOT over it today. I mean, FFVII couldn't get the lead on CT in the 2004 final for an hour or so, and Bowser held up amazingly well early against Sephiroth.

This is true, and big factor is that since these two games are gobbling up the percentage, the raw votes aren't comparable to say Brawl vs. MGS4.

However again, the trends are really against FF7 this time. The ASV will be ugly.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/7/2009 10:03:21 PM | message detail
And if this early vote really is enough to push us back to classic FFVII trends, then it does not need to get a lead until the very end of the match. Since the move of the start time to 12 Eastern until this year really, FFVII has always ended the match at its highest percentage of the day against Zelda.
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creativename | Posted 6/7/2009 10:04:18 PM | message detail
56-44 isn't a big swing for something with a bad power our and and a good day vote. For something with a bad power hour and a almost as bad day vote however...

The only thing one can say is that it isn't "bad power hour" for FF7, it's "worst power hour out of anything, ever".
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/7/2009 10:05:10 PM | message detail
FF7 had been on a steady decline since 2003. I did some caculations pre-contest by plugging in Link percentage on Cloud last year, compared that to Link's percentage on Cloud in 2003-2004, and multiplied that by the ratio Cloud performance on Link vs. FF7's performance on OoT. I had FF7 scoring 47.3% on OoT one-on-one.

Look like it will be a lot lower than that, though.
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creativename | Posted 6/7/2009 10:06:00 PM | message detail
Since the move of the start time to 12 Eastern until this year really, FFVII has always ended the match at its highest percentage of the day against Zelda.

This will very likely happen again, but it can do that and still lose by a ton.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/7/2009 10:07:26 PM | message detail
Don't look at the %s. Look at the vote differences. By the time FF7 stems this 'bleeding' (if you can call consistent 60+ vote updates bleeding), it'll be down 1500 at the very least. Then it needs to erase that and maintain a 1000 or so vote lead before the sun rises. Not happening.

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creativename | Posted 6/7/2009 10:07:36 PM | message detail
The main question now is, does FF7 ever take the lead?

My best guess is no - I think it can bring it down to like a few hundred, but never gets over the hump.

red - how does the FF7 DSV compare to Ocarina's DSV?
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/7/2009 10:09:19 PM | message detail
Well I think the beginning of this week officially marks just about every school being on break so we can definitely call it a weekend so FF7 does have to about 8-9 to take the lead for a moral victory at least.

I don't think it can do it though
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/7/2009 10:10:05 PM | message detail
The reason Crono/Vincent had such a huge swing was not because Vincent killed Crono during the day- the vast majority of his percentage gains were overnight and in the morning. You can make a much larger percentage swing with the first night vote than with the day, simply because fewer votes have already been cast. If there's anything that can come back from this, it's FFVII, and its chances really aren't all that bad, especially as I think we're pretty much into summer trends now, and day characters always seem to rise somewhat more on school days (presumably because kids are not staying up to vote at midnight).
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:10:13 PM | message detail
There isn't much difference between OOT's DSV and its ASV. The ASV is a little better. Basically OoT will drop during the night and slowly get better all day, especially in this match. I dunno though. The way this match started makes me think trends might be off.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 6/7/2009 10:10:21 PM | message detail
Stick a fork in FF7, it's done.

V > < V > <

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/7/2009 10:10:44 PM | message detail
Ooooh a stall
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xp1337 | Posted 6/7/2009 10:10:52 PM | message detail
Huh. What was that update?
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/7/2009 10:11:57 PM | message detail
Everyone knows that the real match is between LttP and FFX at this point.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:12:02 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | LOZ: OOT | FFX | MGS4 | SSBB | Demographic
EBV | 38.62% | 21.65% | 21.21% | 18.53% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 40.37% | 20.18% | 20.84% | 18.61% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 38.88% | 22.99% | 21.95% | 16.18% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 37.80% | 25.29% | 21.00% | 15.91% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 41.49% | 21.22% | 18.69% | 18.60% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 42.84% | 20.53% | 18.74% | 17.89% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 42.84% | 21.90% | 18.63% | 16.63% | (22:00-24:00)

Heck, if you want a good idea of how FFVII/OoT is going to go, just look at this. FFVII and FFX have similar trends.
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creativename | Posted 6/7/2009 10:12:11 PM | message detail
Zelda vs. Final Fantasy consolidated is 55-45 right now. I wonder how the trends for that will compare to the series contest.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:12:33 PM | message detail
Oh hey, 15 vote cut for FFX.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/7/2009 10:12:38 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 6/8/2009 1:10:13 AM | #425
There isn't much difference between OOT's DSV and its ASV. The ASV is a little better. Basically OoT will drop during the night and slowly get better all day, especially in this match. I dunno though. The way this match started makes me think trends might be off.


Most schools are either out or in graduation week, by the way. I doubt there's much of an ASV here.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/7/2009 10:12:58 PM | message detail
Well I think the beginning of this week officially marks just about every school being on break so we can definitely call it a weekend so FF7 does have to about 8-9 to take the lead for a moral victory at least.

It's hard to say whether or not this match will follow weekend trends. We'll have to wait until the SNV of this match to determine that. Once I know the number of votes submitted during the DSV and ASV, I could determine if this match did follow weekend trends or not. On a weekend match, the number of votes during the DSV should be almost equal to (or greater than) the number of votes during the ASV.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 10:14:59 PM | message detail
the crazy thing is... if ff7 somehow won this (which it won't), it would actually be the biggest comeback win we've had this contest
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:15:42 PM | message detail
That's because we've barely had any comebacks this contest.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/7/2009 10:16:09 PM | message detail
With classic FFVII trends, it can seriously make a 2000 vote comeback starting from 1 PM. Final Fantasy cut 700 votes off a 3800 lead over the last 11 hours.

Now, that's not likely to happen, but I don't think OOT is going to kill FFVII with the day either. And it will take some time for it to get going in the morning after Europe.
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xp1337 | Posted 6/7/2009 10:16:31 PM | message detail
That's because we've barely had any comebacks this contest.

Well, successful ones. Still can't believe we went 0 for 3 in successful massive comebacks in a span of 4 days.
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hochiminhX | Posted 6/7/2009 10:17:34 PM | message detail
oot (More like hoot) is only ahead by eight percentage points (8%). An hour ago it was 10%. at this rate, how much does ffvii win by?

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:18:08 PM | message detail
The percentages have barely changed since the freeze.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/7/2009 10:19:01 PM | message detail
I wonder if Link will cruise to a character contest win again. With all of Board 8 whining about how Cloud always wins, of course.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 10:19:15 PM | message detail
In the series contest, FFVII started to stall about this time
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creativename | Posted 6/7/2009 10:19:23 PM | message detail
Batman is the only thing that could beat Link IMO.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:19:56 PM | message detail
Of course he will. We're not going to get another L-Block, and Cloud can't do it without an FFVII remake announcement, honestly.

Another 4-way character contest might be enough to make me bail out on these contests.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/7/2009 10:20:06 PM | message detail
Link is untouchable. Cloud too. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking anyone can beat them at this point, even Batman.

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Chinballz | Posted 6/7/2009 10:20:07 PM | message detail
Even though I put out my second worst bracket ever, I'll take the fact that I have Ocarina winning as a nice consolation prize (provided it holds). My logic for it beating FF7 was that this contest would wind up the same way the Series contest did, combined with the fact that maybe a lot of people wouldn't want FF7 to win another Games contest, and also the fact that this site has a raging boner for Zelda that would rival a hentai monster in its size.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:20:13 PM | message detail
Spider-Man > Batman

Captain Jack Sparrow > Both, however
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/7/2009 10:20:34 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 6/8/2009 1:19:56 AM | #444
Of course he will. We're not going to get another L-Block, and Cloud can't do it without an FFVII remake announcement, honestly.

Another 4-way character contest might be enough to make me bail out on these contests.


I wouldn't be far behind. This format is a ****ing joke.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/7/2009 10:20:43 PM | message detail
Oh hey, another stall.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/7/2009 10:20:55 PM | message detail
FFVII with a huge update. Almost cut OoT there.

Man, sounds wrong.
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