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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 746

LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:47:06 AM | message detail
Pfft. I had the Tetris piece losing to Laharl and did well in spite of that!

Aw yeah!

Me and Lopen were in similar situations in 2007. We both had L-Block losing in the first round, and yet we both missed out on prize money because of silly stipulations. Whoo!

And the thing is, if FFVII is strong enough to beat OoT, then I don't think OoT jumps out to a big lead in the hundreds of votes early on. No game has been able to do more than 6-7% within FFVII with the board vote, and FFVII has already jumped up 3-5% by the end of the Power Hour.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:48:20 AM | message detail
Also, interesting to see Brawl has been stalling MGS4 for the last few hours or so. MGS4 may end up closer to Brawl than FFX by the time this thing's done.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 10:48:29 AM | message detail
If FFVII is in the lead at the freeze, we're in for a boooooring match.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 10:48:59 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #202
Also, interesting to see Brawl has been stalling MGS4 for the last few hours or so. MGS4 may end up closer to Brawl than FFX by the time this thing's done.


FFX and MGS4 have been stalling at the 1500 mark last hour, too.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/7/2009 10:49:44 AM | message detail
Yeah OoT may take the lead at the beginning, but FFVII will probably take it back before the end of the power hour.
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transience | Posted 6/7/2009 10:49:55 AM | message detail
yeah FFX is gonna get killed here. I think it hurts FF7 more than LTTP hurts OOT though.. we've seen 2d/3d splits before such as CT/FF7 that are very small. OOT/LTTP are probably that same way.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 10:50:59 AM | message detail
Am I crazy for thinking both LttP and FFX will be single digits?
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/7/2009 10:51:59 AM | message detail
Am I crazy for thinking both LttP and FFX will be single digits?

FFX may, but LttP has a big enough fanbase to avoid it.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:52:04 AM | message detail
we've seen 2d/3d splits before such as CT/FF7 that are very small. OOT/LTTP are probably that same way.

There's a big difference between FFVII/CT and OoT/LTTP. Think more like FFVI/FFVII when it comes to OoT/LTTP. Being the same series means a lot regardless of the differences.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/7/2009 10:52:16 AM | message detail
REMEMBER, PICTURE MAKERS

Lots of these
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and lots of these
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Remember what we're going for here!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:52:52 AM | message detail
Psh, forget that stuff, man. People should do more of what Kleenex did!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/7/2009 10:54:29 AM | message detail
...I must have missed it.
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transience | Posted 6/7/2009 10:54:52 AM | message detail
Think more like FFVI/FFVII when it comes to OoT/LTTP

I don't even think FF6 affected FF7. it did get beat a little worse, but given that LTTP was on the opposite side of that the previous round I don't think it was all that severe.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:54:52 AM | message detail
3rd post of the topic, man!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:55:34 AM | message detail
I don't even think FF6 affected FF7.

So FFVII triples FFVI without SFF?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/7/2009 10:55:37 AM | message detail
XD
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/7/2009 10:58:44 AM | message detail
I'm going with FFX >= MGS > MGS4. Between nearly winning its division in 2004, winning big in the GotC-poll, beating RBY, and coming from the bigger series, I'll give FFX the edge...but MGS had a bad year in 2004 and never had a chance to even take second in its division, is multi-platform, and likely could have beaten RBY if SSBM was also in its match alongside LoZ:OoT like FFX had. That's a winnable match for MGS. As for MGS4, I figure MGS at least matches whatever MGS4 finishes with today, and I would expect MGS to win head-to-head against MGS4 as well.

That still makes MGS the strongest non-Nintendo/Square game in the bracket in my book, and MGS4 may be the second strongest one too depending on how Goldeneye looks at the end of the contest...both of which are pretty close to FFX. Quite impressive for this site, though it's a bit of a shame there's not more diversity here.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 10:59:52 AM | message detail
Either MGS1 or MGS4 are the strongest non-Squintendo game on GameFAQs, which shouldn't surprise anyone. The only other real contender for that spot was GoldenEye.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/7/2009 11:00:18 AM | message detail
If FFVII is in the lead at the freeze, we're in for a boooooring match.

Up to this point in the contest, no game has been able to lead FFVII at the freeze. If there's any game that's strong enough to do it, it's OoT.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 11:01:32 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #218
Either MGS1 or MGS4 are the strongest non-Squintendo game on GameFAQs, which shouldn't surprise anyone. The only other real contender for that spot was GoldenEye.


Isn't Goldeneye technically Nintendo since it was made by a Nintendo owned company, and published by Nintendo? I mean its the same as Smash... Smash is made by a second party (which is what Rare was at the time)
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transience | Posted 6/7/2009 11:02:07 AM | message detail
I meant the other way around.. FF7 didn't seem handicapped.

though I don't think it was THAT bad. I don't think FF6 would get more than 31% indirectly on FF7. how bad does FF7 beat Link's Awakening?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 11:03:05 AM | message detail
I don't think FF6 would get more than 31% indirectly on FF7. how bad does FF7 beat Link's Awakening?

Link's Awakening looks like the 3rd or 4th strongest Zelda game at this point, so...I dunno.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 11:05:12 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/n64/data/197462.html

I mean look at all the Nintendos there. If Donkey Kong or Star Fox is considered Nintendo, Goldeneye should be.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 11:05:28 AM | message detail
OoT's struggling to get to that 40% mark, slowly but surely.

FFX at 35.80% on OoT right now. What does red sox think about this performance, relative to LTTP, of course?
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/7/2009 11:05:42 AM | message detail
This is the last day to discuss potential top 10 games.

So here it is, the top 10 of each half assuming FFX/MGS4 stay where they are.

1. Final Fantasy VII
2. LoZ: A Link to the Past
3. Super Mario 64
4. Super Mario World
5. Chrono Trigger
6. Super Mario Bros. 3
* Final Fantasy VI (if you believe its round 3 performance)
7. GoldenEye 007
8. Super Mario Bros.
9. Super Mario RPG
10. The Legend of Zelda

1. LoZ: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
3. Super Smash Bros. Melee
4. LoZ: Twilight Princess
5. Pokemon RBY
6. Final Fantasy X
7. Metal Gear Solid
8. Metal gear Solid 4
9. Kingdom Hearts
10. Resident Evil 4
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Biolizard28 | Posted 6/7/2009 11:06:06 AM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 11:06:45 AM | message detail
DK and Star Fox were Nintendo before they were handled by separate parties, and all the characters in Smash Bros. are Nintendo characters, thus Nintendo. James Bond is in no way affiliated with Nintendo nor exclusive to it, despite being made by Rare.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 11:07:31 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #227
DK and Star Fox were Nintendo before they were handled by separate parties, and all the characters in Smash Bros. are Nintendo characters, thus Nintendo. James Bond is in no way affiliated with Nintendo nor exclusive to it, despite being made by Rare.


But its a Nintendo made game. Thats enough to be Nintendo for me.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/7/2009 11:08:40 AM | message detail
I agree that GoldenEye is Nintendo, but I also think Tetris is Nintendo as well.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 11:09:38 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #229
I agree that GoldenEye is Nintendo, but I also think Tetris is Nintendo as well.


Tetris has appeared on every system imaginable. Goldeneye has been brought to court when Microsoft tried to bring it to XBLA since Nintendo argued they still held the rights to it, yet they had no problem with Perfect Dark coming to XBLA.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/7/2009 11:10:28 AM | message detail
I give Rare credit for GE instead of Nintendo because the only real reference to Nintendo at all is DK Mode, which Rare still had control over at that time I believe. The SSB-series has used probably over a hundred different Nintendo characters in one way or another. Besides, Nintendo's never used a movie-license to make a game to my knowledge nor tried a FPS at that time.

GE's Nintendo in the way Mega Man's Nintendo.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 11:11:27 AM | message detail
GE's Nintendo in the way Mega Man's Nintendo.

Except Nintendo published and financially backed Goldeneye in every way, yet has nothing to do with Mega Man outside of console affiliation.
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transience | Posted 6/7/2009 11:12:36 AM | message detail
Nintendo or not, I don't think Goldeneye has a shot in hell at MGS or MGS4.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/7/2009 11:14:15 AM | message detail
Nintendo or not, I don't think Goldeneye has a shot in hell at MGS or MGS4.

Then FFVII gets less than 53% against OoT.

Which is possible
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 11:14:18 AM | message detail
But really, saying that Goldeneye isn't Nintendo is like saying Halo isn't Microsoft. Just because its made by a second party doesn't mean its not still that companies game.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/7/2009 11:15:05 AM | message detail
Tetris has appeared on every system imaginable. Goldeneye has been brought to court when Microsoft tried to bring it to XBLA since Nintendo argued they still held the rights to it, yet they had no problem with Perfect Dark coming to XBLA.

That's business -- letting Goldeneye go to the 360 would be a much bigger loss/gain for Nintendo/Miscrosoft than Perfect Dark.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/7/2009 11:15:16 AM | message detail
But really, saying that Goldeneye isn't Nintendo is like saying Halo isn't Microsoft. Just because its made by a second party doesn't mean its not still that companies game.

Wait, Halo is Microsoft?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 11:16:05 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #237
But really, saying that Goldeneye isn't Nintendo is like saying Halo isn't Microsoft. Just because its made by a second party doesn't mean its not still that companies game.

Wait, Halo is Microsoft?


Bungie was a Microsoft owned second party till after Halo 3. So its the exact same as Rare was.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 11:18:19 AM | message detail
So it's not Microsoft.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 11:19:25 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #239
So it's not Microsoft.


"On June 19, 2000, soon after Halo's preview at Electronic Entertainment Expo 2000, Microsoft announced that it had acquired Bungie Software and that Bungie would become a part of the Microsoft Game Division under the name Bungie Studios."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bungie

No?
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/7/2009 11:20:12 AM | message detail
Back in 2004, OoT had 46.18% on FFVII. Does OoT have a shot to improve on that performance tomorrow?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 11:21:42 AM | message detail
Not to mention Microsoft owns the Halo franchise:

"On October 1, 2007, a mere six days after the release of Halo 3, Microsoft and Bungie announced that Bungie was splitting off from its parent and becoming a privately-held Limited Liability Company named Bungie LLC.[23] As outlined in a deal between the two, Microsoft would retain a minority stake and continue to partner with Bungie on publishing and marketing both Halo and future projects, with the Halo intellectual property belonging to Microsoft.["

If Halo isn't Microsoft, who is it then?
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creativename | Posted 6/7/2009 11:21:54 AM | message detail
Back in 2004, OoT had 46.18% on FFVII. Does OoT have a shot to improve on that performance tomorrow?

I'd take this as almost a given.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 11:23:10 AM | message detail
Then Halo isn't comparable to GoldenEye.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 11:24:09 AM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #236
Tetris has appeared on every system imaginable. Goldeneye has been brought to court when Microsoft tried to bring it to XBLA since Nintendo argued they still held the rights to it, yet they had no problem with Perfect Dark coming to XBLA.

That's business -- letting Goldeneye go to the 360 would be a much bigger loss/gain for Nintendo/Miscrosoft than Perfect Dark.


And to answer this; its actualyl because Perfect Dark was a Rare owned franchise, yet Rare didn't own the Goldeneye franchise so Nintendo felt they still had a stake in it.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/7/2009 11:25:05 AM | message detail
I think a difference between Nintendo/Rare and Microsoft/Bungie is that Nintendo already had a well-established flavor that GE went against pretty heavily -- how many other Nintendo games even have blood? Microsoft latched onto what Bungie was doing and is more known for their accomplishments than anything in the gaming scene.

That doesn't address the ownership-issues like you want answered though, and I don't know how they differ and compare enough to answer fairly there. I'll accept your comeback about the Mega Man comparison, at least.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 11:27:20 AM | message detail
But basically it jsut comes down to this for me; Any game published and financially backed by a company is that companies game. A company doesn't totally finance and market a game they don't own. Thats why to me, Goldeneye is a nintendo game.

I'm done arguing though
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Lord_Yggdrassil | Posted 6/7/2009 11:29:10 AM | message detail
Back in 2004, OoT had 46.18% on FFVII. Does OoT have a shot to improve on that performance tomorrow?

OoT is already Stronger than it was 5 years ago. I've said this many times. Times have changed from 5 years ago, this site is far more Nintendo dominant than it was those years ago when it was Sqaure>Everything. Zelda beaitng FF is an example of this. Links increasing gap between him and cloud is also much bigger. Zelda is the most popular series on this site, so that alone tells you OoT is almost certainly going to get a higher % on FFVII.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/7/2009 11:29:46 AM | message detail
Actually, I'm not sure Zelda beats Final Fantasy now.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/7/2009 11:30:30 AM | message detail

From: Lord_Yggdrassil | #248
Back in 2004, OoT had 46.18% on FFVII. Does OoT have a shot to improve on that performance tomorrow?

OoT is already Stronger than it was 5 years ago. I've said this many times. Times have changed from 5 years ago, this site is far more Nintendo dominant than it was those years ago when it was Sqaure>Everything. Zelda beaitng FF is an example of this. Links increasing gap between him and cloud is also much bigger. Zelda is the most popular series on this site, so that alone tells you OoT is almost certainly going to get a higher % on FFVII.


Maybe its a TINY bit closer then 5 years ago. Afterall, it was nearly a 54% beatdown for FFVII. But a tiny bit stronger isn't enough to get the job done.
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