GameFAQs Contests

9. Metal Gear Solid
10. Super Smash Bros. Melee
11. Goldeneye 007
12. Final Fantasy X

okay, you already know where I'm going here. but where is FF8 then?
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xyzzy
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If FFX comes in third in the finals, OoT wins right?

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Awaiting Final Fantasy XIII

You're right, I forgot about FFVIII somehow. Put it in #20 over MGS4.....MGS4 probably isn't as close to Brawl as the GOTY suggests. And that third group is so close together that the order could easily be radically different.
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

Looks like SMB3 and SMW are on a tier below SM64. Who would've thought that before the beginning of this contest?

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http://thengamer.com/guru/

Looks like SMB3 and SMW are on a tier below SM64. Who would've thought that before the beginning of this contest?

Or... they're splitting with each other pretty badly.
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Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls
BGE2 - Today's Match: FFVII > SMB3 Points: 355/512

FFVII, now is not the time to start dying. There's only 2 more hours of morning vote to go, then you can show us classic FFVII trends, come on!

LTTP is currently getting 59.56% on SMW. That's really pretty far beyond the ability of SMW/SMB3 LFF to cover- or else FFIV would have done a lot better in round 3. The Mario games here would do much better than 60-40 individually against LTTP, but they wouldn't get close like Mario 64 got- 55/45ish seems about right. Going by how weak the LFF looked in past rounds, even that seems generous to the Mario games, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt here. Unless you think LTTP is SFFing them, which is a possibility I guess.
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

Wow FFVII. Guess that PSN release came at the right time...

Also, who do you guys see going through tomorrow (effectively FFX or MGS4 well behind OoT, but Brawl has a chance to pull an upset)?

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Currently playing: Persona 3 FES

I wonder if there's a way to figure this out using Zelda's overperformance and then projecting it onto Mario 1.. probably not. anyway, LTTP beats Mario World 1v1 but it's probably like 53/47 assuming no funny stuff.
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xyzzy
http://penny-arcade.com/images/2009/20090603.jpg

We need to see Zelda 1 and Mario 1 against something other than themselves and old school Mario games. SMB vs. Brawl would be interesting- does Mario 1 use the power of respect and nostalgia to get through? Does everyone who started gaming after the NES vote for Brawl pushing it to a landslide win? We'll never know how it goes unless you let us see some intergenerational matches, Bacon!
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

If BRawl couldn't beat MGS4 with TP in the poll then it has no chance with OoT in it.
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Playing: Star Ocean: TLH | Ninja Gaiden Black | Ar tonelico II
Favourite game ever - Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

If BRawl couldn't beat MGS4 with TP in the poll then it has no chance with OoT in it.

Unless MGS4 and FFX split the vote; there is evidence of overlap between the two series. It's unlikely but Brawl also may resist SFF better than expected; it is after all from a completely different generation to OOT.

Possibly. I still think it's highly unlikely. Only because TP is weaker than Brawl in 1v1 so it was able to gain a better Leech %, but against OoT it's going to suffer some serious SFF and OoT(much rather Link/Zelda) is the GOD of day votes. Even if we say the SFF is HALF as bad as what happened to Melee brawl still doesn't have a chance. It's more down to FFX choking. MGS4 beat Brawl with a "weaker" Zelda in the poll.

WE'll see tomorrow, much more interesting match ahead than today.
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Playing: Star Ocean: TLH | Ninja Gaiden Black | Ar tonelico II
Favourite game ever - Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

11. Goldeneye 007
12. Final Fantasy X

lol?
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My Contest Fanfiction, Part 5

Link drew his sword and fired a beam of energy at L-Block. It tore through the beam that the weakened L-Block fired back, and L-Block was forced to jump aside to dodge the beam. Link fired another one, and another one, and another one. L-Block realized he had been weakened enough fighting Crono that he could not match Link in strength now, and so he continued dodging.

Link: Coward! Stand and fight, and die!

L-Block said nothing and smiled, if a tetris piece without a mouth can smile, and continued dodging. Link at length gave up in frustration and cast Din's Fire. A normal person using this attack could perhaps incinerate a small room. Link's dome of fire rapidly grew to the size of a small town and showed no signs of stopping until Link realized that L-Block had easily flown outside the radius of the attack. He dissipated the fire, and chased after L-Block, intending to engage him in hand-to-hand combat.

L-Block took Link on a hunt around the crater in which Midgar now lay, and gradually, at first imperceptibly to Link, ascended the slope of the crater. At last they reached the top, where Link saw his army, his Knights of Hyrule, finishing off the last of L-Block's scattered hordes that had not died the duel that had created the crater.

Link: It's over, fiend! You are surrounded and weakened, and now you will die. Ganondorf, Zelda, move the army forward and together we will finish him!

For a few seconds Ganondorf and Zelda did not speak. L-Block looked at them and slowly a smile appeared on his face....if a tetris piece has a face. Finally Ganondorf broke the silence.

Ganondorf: No, Link, you have lost. I will now achieve my revenge upon you for a thousand years of humiliation and submission to each incarnation of you.

Zelda: .............Link, I'm sorry. But I had to. You usurped the Kingdom of Hyrule, and made yourself King of the World.....I could not let that stand. Now I will take back my rightful place as the ruler of Hyrule, and we have no more need of a hero like you whose only goal is complete domination over every life form on the planet.

L-Block transformed back into Mario and did the signature Mario spin-around and make a "V" with his fingers motion.

Mario/L-Block: It's a me, Mario! AHAHAHAHAHAHADIEDIEDIEDIEDIE!

Zelda: Link, these soldiers.....are not really the Knights of Hyrule. L-Block killed all of them weeks ago. These are his....new genetic experiments, new versions of Pikachu with the ability to transform into other lifeforms. Again, I'm sorry. Pikachus, I choose you. Kill him.

The knights seemed to melt away and congealed a moment later into a horde of Pikachus. They looked at Link with the mixture of innocence, determination, curiosity, and ruthless bloodlust in their eyes that characterizes all Pikachus so well, but especially these.

Pikachu #1: Bolt 3! (It's not very effective...)
Pikachu #2: Firaga! (It's not effective)
Pikachu #3: Blazer! (It's not effective)
Pikachu #4: Climhazard! (It's not effective)
Pikachu #5: Flare! (It's not effective)
Pikachu #6: Dark Matter! (It's kind of effective)
Pikachu #7: Diamond Dust! (It's not effective)
Pikachu #8: Shadow Flare! (It's kind of effective)
Pikachu #9: Luminaire! (It's kind of effective)
Pikachu #10: Heartless Angel! (It's not effective)
Pikachu #11: Tera Flare! (It's kind of effecitve)
Pikachu #12: Supernova! (It's kind of effective)
Pikachu #13: Omnislash! (It's kind of effective)
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Pikachu #1145: Knights of the Round! Ultimate End! (It's super effective!)
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From the top of the Midgar plate, Cloud looked out to the edge of the crater, miles away and above him, and saw thousands of lightning bolts on the horizon. The battle there grew steadily brighter and brighter until more light flooded Midgar than Midday, more than if there had been 10 suns in the sky. Cloud, powerful though he was, was actually scared of the amount of power he saw being unleashed, and could only guess at who was winning.

Tifa: Cloud, I think Link is losing. We....should go help him.
Cloud: Go into that? And get us all killed as well?
Tifa: If Link is losing the battle, then L-Block will kill us all sooner or later, probably sooner. Joining with Link is our best chance of stopping that tetris piece from destroying our world.
Cloud: Well, alright then.....Vincent, Cid, Barret, Yuffie, Red XIII, Cait Sith, we're going to help Link as best we can.

Cloud hesitated for a second, and then opened a big portal, big enough for all his party to use, to a point near where the battle raged. As they moved towards the center of the storm, it calmed down and was almost died completely when they arrived. They saw thousands of pikachus, seemingly unharmed, and Link, lying on the ground, unmoving, blood seemingly flowing steadily out of his body. Tifa quickly cast a strong healing spell on Link, even that only seemed to stem the loss of blood a little bit. But Link's will was far stronger than his body, and he regained consciousness even as it looked as if here were dying.

Link: Cloud, open a portal to get us out of here. There are too many of them to fight. We have to retreat and continue the war later.

Cloud nodded, and opened a portal to take them all back inside Midgar.

L-Block: Cloud, do you perhaps wonder why I am letting you go so easily? It's because you are weak. You and even Link there. Why kill you now when I can kill you inside Midgar tomorrow, behind all your defenses? My victory will be all the more glorious then. Enjoy your last day of life, Cloud, and don't even think about extending it by surrendering to me- I will kill you tomorrow, whether you submit to me or not.

This is already pretty long, so I think it'll be better to leave today's match to another chapter....which will be coming up soon.
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

Argh grammatical errors
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

Super Mario World > Super Mario Brothers 3

I never get tired of saying it.

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A pleasant and very surprising result. If World can be stronger than 3, and given what we've seen in this contest, it's very reasonable (and probably standard theory now) to consider 64 stronger than both. How weird; the order of the big three Mario games basically reversed in five years.
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Meeks54's sig for a stupid pick that had no chance. I even had it coming in first. MWC>Yo
Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be.....LIKE MWC!!!

and it now goes newest > newer > old

more proof that these ancient games like Zelda 1 aren't really worth much! and also more proof that SNES games could possibly be beaten easily by games of the n64/ps1 generation. I still have no faith in LTTP.
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xyzzy
http://penny-arcade.com/images/2009/20090603.jpg

And yes, props to Our The red sox for theorizing it early. He's here all contest, folks!
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Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be.....LIKE MWC!!!

Hmm... that's a good point. I'd still take LttP over those jumbled Nintendo elites (Pokemon over LttP, can't bring myself to pencil that one in), but that's more a case of SFF than raw strength. I'm no longer sure if it would give games like FFX a spanking.
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Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be.....LIKE MWC!!!

I didn't get this one, Yoblazer. I thought SMB3 >> SMW = SM64 until SM64 beat CT, but that changed everything of course.

With generations it goes PS1/N64 >>> SNES > PS2/GC/Xbox > PS3/Wii/360 > NES

The top level games in the older generations tend to be relatively stronger than their divisions though, hence why SMB3 can be a top 10 game while most NES games are low fodder.
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

Alright, so I'm going to send a PotD-suggestion to SB about rerunning some of the old favorites-polls and making some new ones, and I wanted to get some opinions before I send it in. I'm thinking the following would be good to start with for redoing...

Best Nintendo series (and update the options for more relevant series): http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=525
Best SMB game: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1181
Best LoZ game: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225
Best FF game: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1573
Best RE game: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1179

...and as for new favorites-polls, how about these?
Best MG(S) game?
Best Mario Kart game?
Best SSB game?
Best Halo game?
Best Valve game?
Best Blizzard game?
Best new series from the past ten years?


Any thoughts on what else to add?
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BT > Harrich
lol me

It was already almost at 56% in 2004;

red sox, I love ya man, but you gotta stop bringing the 2004 stats up. Those are the most useless x-stats we've ever had, and that's saying something.

I've sent a PotD suggestion to Bacon before to run some new favorites polls, but nothing ever came of it, seems like. Wouldn't hurt for someone else to send one though!

Best Sonic game!
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

I fully support Harrich's efforts because it means more useless polls to throw everyone else off next contest.
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"Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1

Ah, Sonic...I'd almost be afraid to see 3D-Sonic catch up to 2D-Sonic (surely not though), but I'll throw it in there anyway. If S&K wins it again, I'm going to be so mad at you S3&K-folks though who still refuse to nominate S&K!
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BT > Harrich
lol me

So I'm trying to do some paliminary x-stats and I'd like some input on some of the tougher placings.

- I'm thinking of lowering LoZ and division to the same it got against SMB3 in 2004.
- I'd probably make SMW = SM64 as an easy way. They're probably similar in strength anyways.
- I hate that FFIV gets to be overrated in the stats and I don't want to use its SFF value, c'est la vie
- I currently have RE4's round 2 value, but that puts it above MGS4. Maybe I should use adjusted MGS3 which puts it at just below MGS4.
- CoD4's 4-pack seems underrated using round 3, but that's more of a perception on baseless evidence.
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Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls
BGE2 - Today's Match: FFVII > SMB3 Points: 355/512

I also can't spell

>_>
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Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls
BGE2 - Today's Match: FFVII > SMB3 Points: 355/512

If S&K wins it again, I'm going to be so mad at you S3&K-folks though who still refuse to nominate S&K!

Hey, I nominated S&K, not Sonic 3! Don't blame me! S&K's better than Sonic 3 anyway!

And char, I'm probably going to put World and Mario 3 equal to or slightly under Mario 64 as well. Makes the most sense. Mario 3/Zelda 1 2004 is probably a good reference point for Zelda 1 as well. Not a bad idea.

For RE4, I used what it got on MGS4 yesterday because, to me, that's probably a legit performance. It makes RE4 a little lower than what I like, but maybe MGS4 round three was the problem.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

- I'm thinking of lowering LoZ and division to the same it got against SMB3 in 2004.

I figure that's not too bad, though I do think the NES-games that survived the test of time are probably closer together now than before since SMB3 isn't so impressive anymore and I don't think SMB1 is all that far away from it anymore; I'd expect LoZ to do better in a rematch than it did in 2004.


- I'd probably make SMW = SM64 as an easy way. They're probably similar in strength anyways.

For ease, sure, but LoZ:LttP's suggesting SM64 is a notch above SMW. Still, if there aren't any games you would go SM64 > ___ > SMW, this may not be too bad of an idea. Which game's value would you be using to make them equal though? I assume SM64's.
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BT > Harrich
lol me

Haha, my bad, I just know I've heard a lot of fuss about why S&K should be ditched for S3&K nearly every discussion where that can come up. I always thought you were part of that...whoops!
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BT > Harrich
lol me

If I could nominate S3&K, I would! As it is, S&K > Sonic 3, so I settle for S&K.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Hello, I'd like to please see the x-stats from the bottom two quarters of the bracket! Anyways, the entire Mario series will be wiped off of the bracket today. Sad to see it happen, but all four of the games in today's poll are very deserving of contest champ (versus tomorrow having Brawl in, argh), so no biggy. Next...

So the Best. Game. Ever. should storm the competition here, and Brawl will deservedly finish in fourth. Ha! Take that for beating seven games that you didn't deserve to beat (Grand Theft Auto IV, Super Mario Galaxy, Call of Duty 4, Fallout 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Zelda: Twilight Princess, Resident Evil 4)! So then the question is Final Fantasy X vs. Metal Gear Solid 4...which is really no contest. FFX has the name value and it stands out the most. I don't expect Ocarina of Time to dominate the poll as well as FF7 did, but that's okay, and if it...oh, screw it, I'll have to predict the finals before we even know all of the finalists! Nuts! And now I'm getting a Final Fantasy X walkthrough up to see how great the game really is.

Prediction: Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Final Fantasy X
Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 35%, Final Fantasy X - 27%, Metal Gear Solid 4 - 23%, Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 15%
Bracket: Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Metal Gear Solid (god, I'm no better than those sillyheads who have StarCraft in the finals)
Favorites: Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Metal Gear Solid 4
Favorites Bracket: Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Metal Gear Solid (still, losing to Pokemon is not such a big deal, at least compared to FFT)

Actually, if you put Mario 3 and Mario World equal to Mario 64 or even just a little below, you end up with both beating Chrono Trigger. Hmmm...Not sure how I feel about that!
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

no doubt in my mind which 2d mario is stronger now
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red sox, I love ya man, but you gotta stop bringing the 2004 stats up. Those are the most useless x-stats we've ever had, and that's saying something.

They are better than personal expectations, and I haven't seen much else as far as arguments go from the FFX people other than new games > old games (that's a legit argument, and we'll see if OOT can prove it wrong tomorrow. I think it's not new games > old games, but rather Division 32/64 > All). If the 2004 stats are wrong, there's no more reason to believe they underrate FFX relative to LTTP than to believe they overrate it. The only reason I brought them up is to show that the idea of LTTP getting high 50s on FFX shouldn't be shocking or terribly unusual; that is, I know I make a lot of out-there calls, some of which are right (hurray RBY- I actually undershot it), and some of which are disastrously wrong, but this one really isn't out-there at all.

As for adjusting things, there's going to be tons of disagreement about these adjustments no matter what you do (for example, I think CT and maybe RBY fit in the gap between 64 and World, possibly comfortably). Keeping SMB3 and Zelda 1 proportional from 2004 sounds reasonable. Setting SMW = SM64 is probably about as bad as not adjusting them at all. I was going to suggest using Sonic 1 as a reference for how much LFF SMB3/SMW causes, but apparently Sonic did worse against Mario 3 once SMW was added to the poll, so.....
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

They are better than personal expectations

That's what LTTP with 58% on FFX seems to be, honestly. Just a personal expectation with no other real basis for believing it.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Where are the stats that I am asking for???!!!

Oh, bottom half of the bracket stats? Uhh...Here you go.

Third Quarter Stats

Ocarina of Time – 50.00%
Super Smash Bros. Melee – 37.28%
Final Fantasy X – 36.93%
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow – 36.90%
Metal Gear Solid – 35.11%
Kingdom Hearts (Round 2) – 34.60%
Kingdom Hearts (Round 3) – 33.17%
Pokemon Gold/Silver – 32.57%
Final Fantasy VIII – 31.41%
Final Fantasy IX – 28.40%
Metal Gear Solid 2 – 27.87%
Majora’s Mask – 27.49%
Vice City – 26.71%
Final Fantasy Tactics – 26.57%
The Wind Waker – 25.91%
Diablo II – 25.37%
Metroid Prime – 25.34%
StarCraft – 25.20%
Halo – 24.63%
Knights of the Old Republic – 24.02%
Grand Theft Auto III – 22.65%
Half-Life – 21.30%
Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind – 20.13%
Paper Mario – 18.39%
Disgaea – 17.71%
Chrono Cross – 16.10%
SoulCalibur – 16.01%
Perfect Dark – 14.22%
Xenogears – 13.91%
Fire Emblem – 13.63%
Silent Hill 2 – 12.14%
Deus Ex – 11.97%
Banjo-Kazooie – 11.15%

Fourth Quarter Stats

Super Smash Bros. Brawl – 50.00%
Metal Gear Solid 4 – 42.03%
Twilight Princess – 38.96%
Resident Evil 4 – 37.75%
Metal Gear Solid 3 – 37.50%
Kingdom Hearts II – 37.21%
Fallout 3 – 35.58%
Super Mario Galaxy – 33.88%
Oblivion – 32.99%
Tales of Symphonia – 31.85%
God of War – 31.72%
World of Warcraft – 31.35%
Call of Duty 4 – 31.00%
Portal – 30.99%
San Andreas – 30.75%
Grand Theft Auto IV – 30.44%
Half-Life 2 – 30.44%
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl – 30.23%
BioShock – 29.61%
Final Fantasy XII – 29.36%
Halo 3 – 29.34%
Halo 2 – 28.59%
Shadow of the Colossus – 26.37%
Okami – 26.08%
Left 4 Dead – 24.74%
Street Fighter IV – 22.14%
Persona 4 – 22.13%
Gears of War – 21.80%
Mass Effect – 20.01%
Team Fortress 2 – 19.60%
LittleBigPlanet – 17.68%
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – 17.59%
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

I doubt it would have changed the result, but I'll ask anyway: what happens to today's poll if LoZ would have beaten SMB3?
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BT > Harrich
lol me

a better match, that's what.
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xyzzy
http://penny-arcade.com/images/2009/20090603.jpg

I doubt it would have changed the result, but I'll ask anyway: what happens to today's poll if LoZ would have beaten SMB3?

FF7 > SMW, and Ocarina of Time wins in the final.

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From: Lucid Faia | #092
I doubt it would have changed the result, but I'll ask anyway: what happens to today's poll if LoZ would have beaten SMB3?

FF7 > SMW, and Ocarina of Time wins in the final.

I don't think so., regarding OoT winning. FF7 has proven to be the stronger game, and I don't think a FF game that will be smashed and get less then 10% will hurt its chances to beat OoT.
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That's what LTTP with 58% on FFX seems to be, honestly. Just a personal expectation with no other real basis for believing it.

It's based on LTTP's numbers on FFVII, and FFX's numbers on an OOT being hampered with triple SFF. The only part of it that is really personal expectations is FFVII beating OOT without being challenged too much (meaning closer than last time but never really in doubt), and I think that's pretty reasonable regardless.
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

May I have the un-raw stats please?

Sox, Lttp just isn't that strong. 52-53% seems more realistic.
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http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/110/akaitsuki02avi0001540295ns.jpg

OoT didn't look too hampered last round compared to the round before.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

May I have the un-raw stats please?

Those ARE the un-raw stats.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

OoT didn't look too hampered last round compared to the round before.

Probably because it was hampered the round before too. Pokemon probably did more damage to it than Melee simply because it held up so much better.
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

Why do those stats have SMG so far ahead of CoD4?
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