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DOWN WITH BRAWL. BEST RESULT OF THE CONTEST!



~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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"You are the king of derailing topics, by the way." -Lucid

Anti-fanboys = The worst
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 6/6/2009 12:09:31 AM | #002
Anti-fanboys = The worst

So you've won $600 from Brawl and question my right to judge it?
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"You are the king of derailing topics, by the way." -Lucid

What does winning $600 from Brawl have anything to do with you being an anti-fanboy? There's a difference between being an anti-fanboy and someone who doesn't like the game.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

And that difference is?
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"You are the king of derailing topics, by the way." -Lucid

Someone who doesn't like the game doesn't go to as great lengths as you do to proclaim your hatred for the game.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

I didn't explode in the stats topic until you provoked me. I've been well behaved on Brawl opinions (including even playing in GoG's topic off and on) for months, so don't even start that crap. You make it sound like I make 5 topics a day.
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"You are the king of derailing topics, by the way." -Lucid

I haven't exploded in any topic about any FF/MGS game for months, and I won't because I don't care about them.

You actively hate Brawl like it's your internet duty. Even if you don't post about hating it, you hint at it and make note of it all the time. Same with the Mario > Samus thing ("I promise not to mention Samus > Mario in these topics" is still ****ing mentioning it!).
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"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

Same with the Mario > Samus thing ("I promise not to mention Samus > Mario in these topics" is still ****ing mentioning it!).

This is legitimately not fair, I've been so good with that outside the FF4 match. So I barely messed up one day, gimme a break.
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"You are the king of derailing topics, by the way." -Lucid

Why do you even need to bring it up though? Congratulations on calling that match right, but give it a ****ing rest.
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Good Times,
Great Memories

I made a big deal about it in one post, and this was after spending half the contest ranting about how FF1 > FF4 was possible.

I totally want you to win a prize, stop tempting me not to <_<
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"You are the king of derailing topics, by the way." -Lucid

What is it about Brawl that does this to people

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Jigglypuff > Snake
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I can feel it coming over me; I feel it all around me.
http://www.rosebride.com/lyn/otakon2k6/chronotrigger.jpg

I'm thinking all of us should send a feedback ticket to SBAllen asking him to do a bonus match of FFVII/OoT after the contest


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I will bury you.

I should send it in as a simple poll suggestion, since he's accepted 4 of my polls already.
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"You are the king of derailing topics, by the way." -Lucid

well, ff7 just hit 43% and its not going to slow down for a while.. Hell, it kept going till about 2:30pm est last round..

the good taste brigade has shown up
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This is looking to be the closest Mario 3 Mario World yet.

In a match where it doesn't matter one bit
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A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

I'd be up for sending a feedback ticket for LoZ:OoT/FF7 going one-on-one, but perhaps a petition would be better...not sure.
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BT > Harrich
lol me

From: The n00b Avenger | #018
This is looking to be the closest Mario 3 Mario World yet.

In a match where it doesn't matter one bit

Heh, I still think it matters in the long run to helping us decide which is stronger. Because seriously, SMB3 has no excuse to lose this one, with the possibly the biggest SNES in the poll likely to hurt SMW more then 3.
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Also, to quickly comment on Ulti's SSBB-hate: I read your review again, and I think you hit all the things I didn't like about switching from SSBM to SSBB. I also can't say much about the competitive scene of SSBB, but I'll believe what I've heard about some broken moves. That said, I don't see how these flaws -- even collectively -- made you hate the game when you love SSBM. It feels like you're going out of your way to hate it as much as you are, and I don't buy that you'd play a game enough to go to SSBB-tourneys and win $600 from them yet only give the game a 2/10.

Your opinions, not mine...but it's like you're handing out pitchforks and torches for a game you're put a lot of time into from my perspective. Change isn't so bad and the flaws aren't so unforgivable. If it's really that bad, you don't have to go to tournaments for it. Simple enough.


Also, **** tripping.
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BT > Harrich
lol me

Also, to quickly comment on Ulti's SSBB-hate

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO nononono don't do this please
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From: ZFS | #012
What is it about Brawl that does this to people

It killed Dhalsim and Vega's father.
Also most of Zangief's extended family.

It was a different time.

Also put Dhalsim in an eyepatch, just now.
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Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.

Haha, I'm not gonna talk about it any more, don't worry.
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BT > Harrich
lol me

Nothing but Brawl so far in this topic.
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Hail FastFalcon, our new guru overlord!

Brawl brawl brawl brawl?
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Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.

Brawl.
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Hail FastFalcon, our new guru overlord!

well, I guess there's nothing else to talk about in possibly the worst semifinal of all time.

I'll be back tomorrow!
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xyzzy
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From: Gaddswell | #027
Brawl.

Brawl Brawl Brawl Brawl Brawl?
Brawllllllll
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Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.

To change the sub, did we ever decide what non-Nintendo/Square game was the strongest? I figure MGS unless MGS4 beats FFX tomorrow...best of luck on that upset though.
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BT > Harrich
lol me

They've turned into Pokemon
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A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

aww yea we're getting to the 53% updates now
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This is brutal, and the interesting thing is that FF is taking almost all this nice percentage from the Mario games. Zelda's percentage has been very consistent for 2.5 hours, while the Marios are still free-falling.
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Meeks54's sig for a stupid pick that had no chance. I even had it coming in first. MWC>Yo
Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be.....LIKE MWC!!!

I like how every time a popular established game loses to an underdog Ulti declares it as the "best result ever".

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(='.'=] Put Ziggy in your sig to support his cause.

it's between MGS and MGS4 at this point. RE4's out.
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Goldeneye is in the running as well if FF7 turns out to be stronger than OoT.

From LeonhartFour's stats for each quarter down to the first non-Square/non-Nintendo game:

First Quarter Stats
Super Mario World – 51.64%
Super Mario Bros. 3 – 50.00%
Super Mario Bros. – 49.53%
Super Mario World (Round 3) – 49.52%
Super Mario Bros. 3 (Round 4) – 48.36%
The Legend of Zelda – 48.33%
Final Fantasy I – 44.11%
Final Fantasy IV – 38.57%
Sonic the Hedgehog – 31.69%

Second Quarter Stats
Final Fantasy VII – 50.00%
A Link to the Past – 36.61%
Super Mario 64 – 36.42%
Chrono Trigger – 35.36%
Final Fantasy VI – 33.34%
GoldenEye 007 – 33.03%

Third Quarter Stats
Ocarina of Time – 50.00%
Super Smash Bros. Melee – 37.28%
Final Fantasy X – 36.93%
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow – 36.90%
Metal Gear Solid – 35.11%

Fourth Quarter Stats
Super Smash Bros. Brawl – 50.00%
Metal Gear Solid 4 – 42.03%

For what it's worth, The List had MGS and Goldeneye as the strongest non-Square, non-Nintendo games with Goldeneye just above MGS. The List also had Halo just below MGS. >_>
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From: PartOfYourWorld | #033
This is brutal, and the interesting thing is that FF is taking almost all this nice percentage from the Mario games. Zelda's percentage has been very consistent for 2.5 hours, while the Marios are still free-falling.

It's like FF7 heard you and is all like "I'll show you!"
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A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

So you've won $600 from Brawl and question my right to judge it?


won $600? People win money from this contest? >.>..
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Serisouly wow.. 44% and its rising at an incredible rate.. where do you guys think it will peak?
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Nominate Red XIII for the Character Battle VII!
He's the Lion with a fire tail from Final Fantasy VII.

this board has really gone down with the VII hatin',guess this is one the few topics were the sensible crowd remains.

still VII and lttp in the final,is there a chance we get VII>OOT>X>Lttp?
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It's not fair if FF is in the title it always wins.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2455

Brawl > TP hurt my bracket, but I'm still tied for 50th. If I want to make any moves though, I pretty much have to bank on that MGS4 > FFX upset.
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Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X

From: HaRRicH | Posted: 6/6/2009 3:50:14 AM | #021
Also, to quickly comment on Ulti's SSBB-hate: I read your review again, and I think you hit all the things I didn't like about switching from SSBM to SSBB. I also can't say much about the competitive scene of SSBB, but I'll believe what I've heard about some broken moves. That said, I don't see how these flaws -- even collectively -- made you hate the game when you love SSBM. It feels like you're going out of your way to hate it as much as you are, and I don't buy that you'd play a game enough to go to SSBB-tourneys and win $600 from them yet only give the game a 2/10.

Your opinions, not mine...but it's like you're handing out pitchforks and torches for a game you're put a lot of time into from my perspective. Change isn't so bad and the flaws aren't so unforgivable. If it's really that bad, you don't have to go to tournaments for it. Simple enough.


Also, **** tripping.

I'm glad someone bothered reading my side and acknowledging I'm not some ranting lunatic before passing their judgment. That's all I've ever asked. My views on the game are clear in the review, but to address the "why do I play it?" point:

For one, I don't go out of my way to find tournaments. The won I won $500 at was at my local community college. The other tournament I won was some B-league thing, none of the great players were there, and it too was held at my local college. I join local game tournaments all the time, Brawl was just me lucking out and joining a tournament for a game I'm good at. I could rattle off losing at Halo and Madden a lot if you want.

I also have really fun friends, online and off. Even the worst game ever made is fun to play with people in real life. KP and I play Brawl now and then, and we both tend to have fun until I pick Wolf and camp him until he raqequits. In the end, we both go "Hey this game sucks, but you're fun to play with". Ditto for the guys in GoG's topic. You can make a bad game fun with friends, but that's a testament to how cool your friends are, not how good or bad the game is. Hell Turok 2 is a piece of ****, but I loved playing it with friends. Doesn't make Brawl any less a bad game.

As for the money, let's say someone bets you $1000 you can set a speed record at Superman 64. You practice for awhile, master everything, get your record, get your money and go home. Is Superman 64 a good game now? No.
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"You are the king of derailing topics, by the way." -Lucid

Where can i go to look at the percentages and vote totals for last round? I didn't get to see the end because i had to go to work. All i know is the better game held on.
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Wall to Kentucky. Sig changed (:

Also, what do you guys think of the possibility that FFVII's arrival on the playstation network has indeed made it stronger in this contest?
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Wall to Kentucky. Sig changed (:

I don't get why MGS4 beating Brawl would be a big deal. Both advance anyway, and Brawl has like no shot to place next match. It's gotta be among the most meaningless results this late in a contest we've ever had.

Whether Brawl completed the comeback or not only mattered for brackets, for contest relevance it meant nothing.
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You know what would be hilarious?

If FFX and MGS4 ended up splitting so bad that both OoT and Brawl advance, causing Brawl to rob this contest of the dramatic finale everyone's been expecting and wanting all contest.
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Wylvane's current main account.

From: L33t_Rappa_Sam | #046
You know what would be hilarious?

If FFX and MGS4 ended up splitting so bad that both OoT and Brawl advance, causing Brawl to rob this contest of the dramatic finale everyone's been expecting and wanting all contest.

This would be so epic.
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Vlado..thank god...another voice of sanity in this madhouse... - RealMarchhare

Time to rank the top 20 again:

1. Final Fantasy VII
2. Ocarina of Time

Big Gap

3. A Link to the Past
4. Super Mario 64
5. Chrono Trigger
6. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
7. Super Mario World
8. Super Mario Bros. 3

Small Gap

9. Metal Gear Solid
10. Super Smash Bros. Melee
11. Goldeneye 007
12. Final Fantasy X
13. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
14. Super Mario Bros.
15. Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
16. Final Fantasy VI
17. Super Mario RPG
18. Twilight Princess
19. The Legend of Zelda
20. Metal Gear Solid 4

The gap between #2 and #3 is about 62-38 indirectly, the distance from top to bottom of tier 2 is about 55-45, the distance from #8 to #9 is about 53-47, and the distance from #9 to #20 is about 55-45. That puts the distance between #2 and #3 as about the same as between #3 and #20.
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FFX should be higher.
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FFX: Best Game Ever

I will only do votal stats relative to last round from now on. That being said, may I see the full stats for the last two quarters of the bracket?

Zelda: Twilight Princess kept about 70.45% of its votes from last round. It did much better at standing up then its Wii brethen; that's for sure. Oddly enough, I'm starting to think that Legend of Zelda is going to be the only franchise that GameFAQs cares hugely about anymore, given that Mario and Final Fantasy have been going down.

Resident Evil 4 kept about 90.32%. It did fabulous in this department, but it was simply outclassed here. It should've gone on to next round, but kudos to making the quarterfinals whilst being from a franchise and genre that GameFAQs doesn't care about much.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl kept about 75.73% of its votes from last round. Not much to say, really, except that tomorrow will test out whether Smash (and, by extension, all of 21st century Nintendo) is casual bait.

Metal Gear Solid 4 kept about 104.8% of its votes from last round. Seems like removing Call of Duty 4 and Fallout 3 really helped it.

1. Final Fantasy VII (Round 3)
2. Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Round 4)
3. Final Fantasy VII (Round 4)
4. Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Round 3)
5. Zelda: A Link to the Past (Round 3)
6. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Round 3)
7. Super Mario Bros. (Round 3)
8. Super Smash Bros. Melee (Round 3)
9. Zelda: Twilight Princess (Round 3)
10. The Legend of Zelda (Round 3)
11. Final Fantasy VI (Round 3)
12. Super Mario Bros. 3 (Round 3)
13. Super Mario World (Round 3)
14. Super Mario World (Round 4)
15. Final Fantasy X (Round 3)
16. Super Mario Bros. 3 (Round 4)
17. The Legend of Zelda (Round 4)
18. Metal Gear Solid 4 (Round 3)
19. Final Fantasy X (Round 4)
20. Metal Gear Solid 4 (Round 4)
21. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Round 4)
22. Resident Evil 4 (Round 3)
23. Metal Gear Solid 3 (Round 3)
24. Super Mario 64 (Round 3)
25. Zelda: A Link to the Past (Round 4)
26. Super Mario 64 (Round 4)
27. Pokemon Red/Blue (Round 3) (TIE)
28. Zelda: Twilight Princess (Round 4) (TIE)
29. Chrono Trigger (Round 3)
30. Kingdom Hearts (Round 3)
31. Resident Evil 4 (Round 4)
32. Pokemon Red/Blue (Round 4)
33. Metal Gear Solid (Round 3)
34. Oblivion (Round 3)
35. Fallout 3 (Round 3)
36. Final Fantasy IV (Round 3)
37. Final Fantasy VIII (Round 3)
38. Diablo II (Round 3)
39. Call of Duty 4 (Round 3)
40. Super Metroid (Round 3)
41. GoldenEye (Round 3)
42. Super Smash Bros. Melee (Round 4)
43. Tetris (Round 3)
44. Final Fantasy VI (Round 4)
45. Sonic the Hedgehog (Round 3)
46. Mega Man 2 (Round 3)
47. Zelda: Link’s Awakening (Round 3)
48. Super Mario Bros. (Round 4)