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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 743

LeonhartFour | Posted 6/4/2009 9:49:38 PM | message detail
We'll see if Brawl does better or not.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/4/2009 9:50:19 PM | message detail
OOT had better pummel Brawl to a pulp. It probably won't, because a third Nintendo game won't be there, but then again, Brawl should take last place next round, so...!

FFVII and OOT over 45% next round let's do this.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/4/2009 9:50:27 PM | message detail
I'd love for MGS4 to win this. Brawl is so ****ing god-awful bad.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/4/2009 9:50:35 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #151
We'll see if Brawl does better or not.


Melee didn't set a very high bar to surpass, though
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creativename | Posted 6/4/2009 9:50:35 PM | message detail
I think Brawl Snake just got some intel on MGS4's weakness and is relaying to the rest of the brawl roster to prepare for a vote counterattack.

But this makes no sense. Snake fights with half the other MGS4 cast, whereas he fights against every Brawl fighter! Stop trying to attack Snake's integrity, you Snake-hater you
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/4/2009 9:51:57 PM | message detail
Ha, Twilight Princess takes first on that update.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/4/2009 9:51:57 PM | message detail
TP takes first that update!
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paulg235 | Posted 6/4/2009 9:52:05 PM | message detail
TP cut Brawl and probably MGS4 in that update. It's not over yet for ZELDA.
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BDawg | Posted 6/4/2009 9:52:29 PM | message detail
If Brawl does better but is still close to what Melee you could always chalk it up to the Pokemans. Hahaha no definitive information ever hurray four ways.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/4/2009 9:52:43 PM | message detail
mgs4 is free fallin'
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 6/4/2009 9:52:49 PM | message detail
Who says i hate Snake? He's of my favorite Brawl characters.
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transience | Posted 6/4/2009 9:55:18 PM | message detail
Brawl with the superior night vote confirmed
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transience | Posted 6/4/2009 9:55:40 PM | message detail
whoa nevermind
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 6/4/2009 9:55:53 PM | message detail
Looks like Brawl is making the move after Snake got them the intel.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/4/2009 9:56:02 PM | message detail
darn it tp
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transience | Posted 6/4/2009 9:56:20 PM | message detail
aren't you all glad we killed off MGS3 last round?
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/4/2009 9:56:27 PM | message detail
Here's a Brawl Vs. MGS4 hourly chart from last round. % is Brawl's between it and MGS4


1:00 - 56.27%
2:00 - 54.83%
3:00 - 54.68%
4:00 - 53.20%
5:00 - 52.89%
6:00 - 53.04%
7:00 - 56.07%
8:00 - 57.13%
9:00 - 55.24%
10:00 - 57.96%
11:00 - 56.67%
12:00 - 57.50%
13:00 - 57.81%
14:00 - 57.29%
15:00 - 59.85%
16:00 - 59.69%
17:00 - 62.34%
18:00 - 62.55%
19:00 - 64.57%
20:00 - 62.43%
21:00 - 61.68%
22:00 - 60.81%
23:00 - 58.83%
24:00 - 58.15%

So if the swings are identical, MGS4 is going to need to hope to take in nearly 57% of the night vote against Brawl to be safe
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/4/2009 9:56:35 PM | message detail

From: transience | #166
aren't you all glad we killed off MGS3 last round?


no
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creativename | Posted 6/4/2009 9:56:45 PM | message detail
but then again, Brawl should take last place next round, so...!

I suppose at least the MGS4 fans can take solace in that not only should MGS4 wreck Brawl next round, but MGS4 will actually be in contention for 2nd.

Wait. Something MGS can't get bandwagoned to the finals at the expense of something FF again can it! Argh why does Snake hate Final Fantasy anything so.

Who says i hate Snake? He's of my favorite Brawl characters.

I says, what Snake-haters can't read now huh??
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/4/2009 9:56:59 PM | message detail
aren't you all glad we killed off MGS3 last round?

No.
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transience | Posted 6/4/2009 9:57:58 PM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/4/2009 9:58:19 PM | message detail
I am always a sore loser when it comes to my favorite games!
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/4/2009 9:58:44 PM | message detail
Wait. Something MGS can't get bandwagoned to the finals at the expense of something FF again can it! Argh why does Snake hate Final Fantasy anything so.

Don't worry, OOT won't let this happen. It will crush the poll so badly the bandwagoners will give up and vote for their favorite out of FFVII and OOT!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/4/2009 10:00:46 PM | message detail
Whoa, massive RE4 cut. TP may be in last place by the end of the night.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/4/2009 10:00:47 PM | message detail
mgs3 is an amazing game, and ive never played mgs4 due to no ps3, so no I don't want to sacrafice a game i love for a game I haven't played!
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 6/4/2009 10:01:01 PM | message detail
Well MGS4 is starting to pull away as the Power Hour ends.

Now the question is how much of a lead can he build before the ASV comes.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/4/2009 10:03:13 PM | message detail
Projection time!

Last round, at the end of the Power Hour, MGS4 had 43.73% on Brawl. It ended up with 42.03%, which is 96.11% of its Power Hour total.

Right now, MGS4 has 51.60% on Brawl. Multiply that by 96.11% and you get:

Brawl: 50.41%
MGS4: 49.59%
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/4/2009 10:04:37 PM | message detail
RE4 to TP: To last place with you. Hochi said so.

From here to the end, Crono fell 8.00% against Vincent in 2004. Thus, we have our projections....

Resident Evil 4 beats Metal Gear Solid 4 with 51.30%
Resident Evil 4 beats Super Smash Bros. Brawl with 52.89%

It could take a looong time for the match to diverge a lot from Crono/Vincent trends tonight.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/4/2009 10:05:34 PM | message detail
Nintendo night vote has arrived.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/4/2009 10:07:39 PM | message detail
Metric Trout, that's really not how it works (I know simply subtracting percentages isn't precisely correct either, but it gets the job done.) With your method, suppose you had Zelda vs. Adventure....if Zelda ended with 96% of its PH percentage, Adventure would DOUBLE its PH percentage. The same error occurs with games that are closer together- you get different results depending on which game you project through.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/4/2009 10:09:03 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | LOZ: OOT | R/B/Y | SSBM | FFX | Demographic
EBV | 39.64% | 21.96% | 15.19% | 23.21% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 40.29% | 21.60% | 15.37% | 22.74% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 38.88% | 21.09% | 13.26% | 26.76% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 40.02% | 19.07% | 13.13% | 27.79% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 41.56% | 20.13% | 14.40% | 23.91% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 41.27% | 21.53% | 15.56% | 21.64% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 42.58% | 21.51% | 14.41% | 21.50% | (22:00-24:00)

Yesterday's stats:

Ocarina of Time – 50.00%
Final Fantasy X – 36.93%
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow – 33.85%
Super Smash Bros. Melee – 26.26%

Very interesting set of stats coming up next! They'll need some explanation though about what I did.
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Lopen | Posted 6/4/2009 10:09:43 PM | message detail
Why is MGS4 stronger than MGS3 I just don't get it.

Less owned system.
Mixed fan reaction.
WAY WORSE THAN MGS3 (okay that one may have been a bit biased)
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/4/2009 10:11:18 PM | message detail
mgs4 needs alot of updates like that to hold off the Brawl day onslaught
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/4/2009 10:11:32 PM | message detail
Third Quarter Stats

Ocarina of Time – 50.00%
Super Smash Bros. Melee – 37.28%
Final Fantasy X – 36.93%
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow – 36.90%
Metal Gear Solid – 35.11%
Kingdom Hearts (Round 2) – 34.60%
Kingdom Hearts (Round 3) – 33.17%
Pokemon Gold/Silver – 32.57%
Final Fantasy VIII – 31.41%
Final Fantasy IX – 28.40%
Metal Gear Solid 2 – 27.87%
Majora’s Mask – 27.49%
Vice City – 26.71%
Final Fantasy Tactics – 26.57%
The Wind Waker – 25.91%
Diablo II – 25.37%
Metroid Prime – 25.34%
StarCraft – 25.20%
Halo – 24.63%
Knights of the Old Republic – 24.02%
Grand Theft Auto III – 22.65%
Half-Life – 21.30%
Morrowind – 20.13%
Paper Mario – 18.39%
Disgaea – 17.71%
Chrono Cross – 16.10%
SoulCalibur – 16.01%
Perfect Dark – 14.22%
Xenogears – 13.91%
Fire Emblem – 13.63%
Silent Hill 2 – 12.14%
Deus Ex – 11.97%
Banjo-Kazooie – 11.15%

Here's the deal. Instead of giving SSBM 55% on FFX (which puts it over 40% on OoT), I took what FFX got on MGS2 in round 1 and round 2, and used the difference to somewhat determine what FFX would get on SSBM without KH (around 49.50% by those calculations, probably not too far off, within 1%, I'd say). I wasn't sure which number to use for KH here, but no games ended up between it anyway.

Third Quarter Raw Stats

Ocarina of Time – 50.00%
Final Fantasy X – 36.93%
Metal Gear Solid – 35.11%
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow – 33.85%
Final Fantasy VIII – 31.41%
Metal Gear Solid 2 – 30.73%
Majora’s Mask – 27.65%
Vice City – 27.17%
Final Fantasy Tactics – 26.73%
Super Smash Bros. Melee – 26.26%
Pokemon Gold/Silver – 25.48%
StarCraft – 25.20%
Half-Life – 21.30%
Kingdom Hearts – 21.07%
Final Fantasy IX – 20.73%
Morrowind – 20.13%
The Wind Waker – 18.25%
Halo – 17.35%
Diablo II – 17.23%
Knights of the Old Republic – 16.31%
SoulCalibur – 16.31%
Chrono Cross – 16.10%
Metroid Prime – 15.43%
Grand Theft Auto III – 15.38%
Xenogears – 14.18%
Perfect Dark – 12.71%
Disgaea – 12.47%
Silent Hill 2 – 12.14%
Deus Ex – 12.04%
Paper Mario – 11.20%
Banjo-Kazooie – 9.97%
Fire Emblem – 9.60%
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/4/2009 10:12:10 PM | message detail
Twilight Princess coming back on Brawl!
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hochiminhX | Posted 6/4/2009 10:12:10 PM | message detail
MGS4 is high off of FPF (First Playthrough Factor). In about a year i will drop back to MGS3 levels. Recall how strong MGS2 was in 2004. Same concept.

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PegasusLover123 | Posted 6/4/2009 10:12:58 PM | message detail
If RE4 gets hit with the LPF, then MGS4 could absorb enough of RE4's night votes to ensure its lead over Brawl.

But the clock is ticking Snake, you'd better finish your mission fast.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 6/4/2009 10:13:03 PM | message detail
*votes RE4*

*notices its in last*
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Lopen | Posted 6/4/2009 10:14:04 PM | message detail
MGS2 was released in 2001, Hochi, but yeah I suppose that is a point aside from that example.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/4/2009 10:16:15 PM | message detail
Hmm, maybe this match will follow the trends in the GotY finals. In the 3-way GotY final, MGS4 built up a max lead of 755 at 6:22 AM EST. In the 2-way GotY final, MGS4 had a max lead of 636 at 6:57 AM EST. I'm guessing Brawl takes the DSV and ASV in order to win.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/4/2009 10:17:04 PM | message detail
I'm guessing Brawl takes the DSV and ASV in order to win.

And the BSV too. Forgot about that.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 6/4/2009 10:17:34 PM | message detail
So Luster are you saying that MGS4 isn't pulling away fast enough on this night vote?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/4/2009 10:18:01 PM | message detail
Oh, and assuming FFVII and OoT are equal, here's a preliminary look at half the bracket!

Final Fantasy VII – 50.00%
Ocarina of Time – 50.00%
Super Smash Bros. Melee – 37.28%
Final Fantasy X – 36.93%
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow – 36.90%
A Link to the Past – 36.61%
Super Mario 64 – 36.42%
Chrono Trigger – 35.36%
Metal Gear Solid – 35.11%
Kingdom Hearts (Round 2) – 34.60%
Final Fantasy VI – 33.34%
Kingdom Hearts (Round 3) – 33.17%
GoldenEye 007 – 33.03%
Pokemon Gold/Silver – 32.57%
Final Fantasy VIII – 31.41%
Super Mario RPG – 30.94%
Link’s Awakening – 30.60%
Mario Kart 64 – 29.98%
Final Fantasy IX – 28.40%
Metal Gear Solid 2 – 27.87%
Majora’s Mask – 27.49%
Vice City – 26.71%
Final Fantasy Tactics – 26.57%
The Wind Waker – 25.91%
Resident Evil 2 – 25.81%
Mega Man X – 25.39%
Diablo II – 25.37%
Metroid Prime – 25.34%
StarCraft – 25.20%
Halo – 24.63%
Knights of the Old Republic – 24.02%
Symphony of the Night – 23.72%
Grand Theft Auto III – 22.65%
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 – 22.63%
Resident Evil – 22.07%
Super Metroid – 22.01%
Super Mario Kart – 21.96%
Half-Life – 21.30%
Star Fox 64 – 20.86%
Yoshi’s Island – 20.25%
Mortal Kombat II – 20.21%
Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind – 20.13%
The Secret of Mana – 18.61%
Paper Mario – 18.39%
Donkey Kong Country – 17.76%
Disgaea – 17.71%
Doom – 17.40%
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 – 16.25%
Chrono Cross – 16.10%
SoulCalibur – 16.01%
Earthbound – 14.79%
Perfect Dark – 14.22%
Xenogears – 13.91%
Kirby Super Star – 13.85%
Fire Emblem – 13.63%
Donkey Kong Country 2 – 13.50%
Silent Hill 2 – 12.14%
Deus Ex – 11.97%
Banjo-Kazooie – 11.15%
Suikoden – 11.10%
Streets of Rage II – 9.33%
Shining Force II – 6.71%
Phantasy Star IV – 6.01%
Gunstar Heroes – 5.17%
Lufia II – 4.76%
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Karma Hunter | Posted 6/4/2009 10:19:25 PM | message detail
This is looking more like MGS4/Brawl I than the sequels - now, granted, that match ended up pretty close itself, but I figure you've got to give MGS4 the edge now.
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ObscureMammoth | Posted 6/4/2009 10:19:26 PM | message detail
Graph B is ****ed to hell.
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transience | Posted 6/4/2009 10:19:32 PM | message detail
what a screwy match. stalls and then 50 vote cuts and then stalls and then 50 vote cuts and then
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/4/2009 10:19:35 PM | message detail
I think I'll like that list a lot more after the semifinals and the final. (We'll get a more fair value for FFX!)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/4/2009 10:21:03 PM | message detail
(We'll get a more fair value for FFX!)

Yeah, I'm expecting 38-39% next round myself.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/4/2009 10:21:49 PM | message detail
Metric Trout, that's really not how it works (I know simply subtracting percentages isn't precisely correct either, but it gets the job done.) With your method, suppose you had Zelda vs. Adventure....if Zelda ended with 96% of its PH percentage, Adventure would DOUBLE its PH percentage. The same error occurs with games that are closer together- you get different results depending on which game you project through.


Which is why it is impossible for Zelda is not going to drop to 96% of its total percentage on Adventure.

It is important that you project from the loser's set of percentages. There is a reason all X-Stats are below 50%, you know.

In the above scenario, Adventure could drop to 96% of its Power Hour, or it could rise to 104% of its Power Hour, but the net change in that case would be a fraction of a percent. Zelda is going to stay close to 100% of its Power Hour no matter how much Adventure drops.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/4/2009 10:21:55 PM | message detail
So Luster are you saying that MGS4 isn't pulling away fast enough on this night vote?

In the 3-way GotY final, MGS4 lost to Brawl by 2492 after building up a 755 vote lead overnight. Over a 3000 vote swing there. In the 2-way GotY final, MGS4 lost by 4260 after getting a 636 vote lead.
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