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I didn't expect anything to get 40% on OOT pre-contest besides FF7... dunno about two other Nintendo games. you're talking about the granddaddy of Nintendo games here.

this is why I always thought LTTP > FF7 was stupid - you're talking about the god of all Square.
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xyzzy

I don't see how you can make anything conclusive out of an SFF situation. This is a Samus/Mario on Link situation here.

You're close! I think LoZ:OoT/RBY/SSBM/FFX is closer to Link/Mario/Samus/Crono though. Last year, Link beasted and Crono advanced when he shouldn't have while Mario beat Samus like he should have. Today, LoZ:OoT beasts and FFX advances when it probably shouldn't while RBY beat SSBM like it probably should. I think that's a better analogy to today's match...heck, they're even ordered the same in each of them. We could even use "IT'S FREAKING POKEMON" against SSBM. Throw in that these are newer four-ways compared to the older one-on-one matches while we're at it.

This match is very much like Link/Mario/Samus/Crono, actually.
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Match LX: LoZ: Twilight Princess vs. Resident Evil 4 vs. Super Smash Bros. Brawl vs. Metal Gear Solid 4

Last Round:

LoZ: Twilight Princess – 32.24%
Resident Evil 4 – 23.73%
Metal Gear Solid 3 – 23.46%
TES IV: Oblivion – 20.58%

Super Smash Bros. Brawl – 36.68%
Metal Gear Solid 4 – 26.59%
Fallout 3 – 20.26%
Call of Duty 4 – 16.48%

Analysis

This match was hyped ever since the bracket was first released and it’s still as hyped as ever. Any combination is possible, though some are more likely than others. Also with the results of this match our most likely guru winner will be found. Over the five years since the last contest these are the games that were missed and the ones that could have made some noise. If only we had a non-generation bracket.

I never expected any of the games in the 2007-2009 division to have much strength. The games are too new yet old enough to have lost their initial impact. This is why I don’t see Metal Gear Solid 4 competing in this match. Metal Gear Solid 4 may be really popular among those that have played it, but in reality that number is still small. According to fans Metal Gear Solid 4 is more popular than Metal Gear Solid 3, but we’ve seen cases of more popular games not doing so well because of player-ship rates.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl was impressive in the way it easily won the division, but like I’ve said I’m not entirely convinced on the strongest of the division. Also with Twilight Princess in the poll predicting who Nintendo fans will vote for will be very important. Unlike Super Mario Galaxy I don’t see one game getting SFF rather I see LFF being a lot more apparent causing both games to appear to be weaker.

Like Super Smash Bros. Brawl Twilight Princess didn’t exactly lived up to its hype, but it was a solid game nevertheless. It was quite interesting to watch people abandon Twilight Princess for Brawl over the course of the contest and while those people have grounds for the abandonment I still think Twilight Princess is the stronger Nintendo game. Personally I find its win over Resident Evil 4 to be more impressive than Brawl’s win over Metal Gear Solid 4.

Speaking of Resident Evil 4 I still think it has a great chance to take first. With Twilight Princess and Brawl weakening each other I have high hopes for my upset special. Resident Evil 4 didn’t look that great last round with many people blaming Metal Gear Solid 3. I don’t think the same will happen with Metal Gear Solid 4 because the two games are on separate systems and will thus have a lot less overlap.

I’m riding a lot on the 2007-2009 division being weak, but I don’t think it deserves much credit. Like the 1972-1988 division vote totals were lower compare to the other divisions and the only game that has enough strength to compete with some of the bigger titles is Brawl and maybe Metal Gear Solid 4 in the future. Also with the results today the rest of the contest is more or less predictable so this may be the last interesting match of the contest. Make it a good one.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Resident Evil 4 > LoZ: Twilight Princess

charmander6000’s Prediction: Resident Evil 4 – 28.53%, LoZ: Twilight Princess – 26.34%, Super Smash Bros. Brawl – 24.94%, Metal Gear Solid 4 – 20.19%

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Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls
BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ: OoT > FFX Points: 323/448

Resident Evil 4 – 28.53%, LoZ: Twilight Princess – 26.34%, Super Smash Bros. Brawl – 24.94%, Metal Gear Solid 4 – 20.19%

takin' risks eh
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Pic 3 has Falcon

therefore it wins
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Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.

nice pick. I think you're nuts, but it's interesting to think that the 2008 games just suck in comparison to the older ones.
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xyzzy

If RE4 gets first in that match I will drink the water out of my toilet
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A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

From: The n00b Avenger | #357
If RE4 gets first in that match I will drink the water out of my toilet

pics plz
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Resident Evil 4 – 28.53%, LoZ: Twilight Princess – 26.34%, Super Smash Bros. Brawl – 24.94%, Metal Gear Solid 4 – 20.19%

Let's do this.
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

given your anti-"new" bias, that has your name all over it!
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xyzzy

I believe I brought up SSBM overperforming on FFVII in 2005 or around that time, so my thinking the new games are weak is hardly new!

32/64 Division- Strongest by far then, strongest by far now.
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

Looks like Pokemon just collapsed today.
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http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147

MGS vs. OoT in a pretty balanced poll: 35%
FFX vs. OoT with two other pseudo-Nintendo games in the poll: 37%

Yeah, give me MGS>FFX by a hair after today.

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MGS vs. OoT in a pretty balanced poll: 35%
FFX vs. OoT with two other pseudo-Nintendo games in the poll: 37%

Yeah, give me MGS>FFX by a hair after today.

Pokemon only counts as a pseudo-Nintendo game in the FFX match?
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Shall I take you with me? To the place in this town where wishes come true...

Pokemon is less Nintendo than Melee is. It's held up to OoT twice now while Melee folded like a house of cards. Heck, I'm wary about calling Melee 'pseudo'-Nintendo.

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char's only going with RE4 for his bracket's sake!

LTTP probably wrecks FFX to the tune of 58-60% or so

After seeing LTTP perform this contest, I doubt it.

Ergo, MGS + FFVIII > SSBM + FFX

Well, yeah, FFVIII would've beaten SFF'd SSBM last round, too, probably.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Pokemon is less Nintendo than Melee is. It's held up to OoT twice now while Melee folded like a house of cards. Heck, I'm wary about calling Melee 'pseudo'-Nintendo.

I can agree with that. I'm just saying that if you count it as pseudo-Nintendo in the FFX match it should also be pseudo-Nintendo in the MGS match. MGS vs. OoT wouldn't be a pretty balanced poll unless you think FF8 was weakening MGS as much as RBY weakened OoT.
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Shall I take you with me? To the place in this town where wishes come true...

Well yeah, that's what I was going with. I think RBY/OoT have a little overlap, and so do FF8/MGS. Their mutual overlap cancels each other out and makes for a balanced poll.

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And yes, that would put FFX pretty close to FFVI, but I'm fine with that.

Are you fine with putting Melee down there?

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I'm not really sure what I think of the top ten anyway. After watching FFVI bomb, it doesn't beat Melee, that's for sure.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

I don't think FFVI is close to either FFX or Melee, personally. There's not much reason to believe those two are much different from each other strength-wise. Wherever FFX lands is pretty much where Melee will be, too.

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I wonder how Kingdom Hearts/Final Fantasy VI goes.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1128

So...how does Mario Sunshine do in these contests?
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

I think Melee has handed off its ability to resist SFF to Brawl. The moment Brawl was released, the majority of its fanbase moved to the newer game. Which means that Melee is no longer "the" multiplayer Nintendo game and just became another nostalgic Nintendo game. Against a stronger nostalgic Nintendo game, it will fold.
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http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147

I don't think there's much reason to believe Brawl is any more 'SFF resistant' than Melee is. It beat down Mario Galaxy, but Galaxy was also closer to Pokemon Diamond in its match than it was Call of Duty 4. Game is just weak.

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Yeah, unfortunately, Galaxy is just weak, for whatever the reason. I can't understand it, personally, but it is.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Are you fine with putting Melee down there?

Well, Melee is probably still a bit stronger than FFX, like it'd get 52-53% on it in a neutral match. Melee only getting like 54-55% on FFVI is okay too, I guess. It was weaker than FFVI in 2004, after all, and we're not dealing with the ultra hyped game/series of the generation anymore now that Brawl has come out and is not the best thing ever.

Melee has actually put up a string of slightly disappointing performances to me this year- it failed to double Wind Waker twice, let Diablo get 40% on it, only beat FFX 55-45 with KH in the poll, and of course, today. I think I actually got the lowest Oracle prediction for it at 16%, but I still overshot it. None of that is really bad, but it indicates a game on the edge of the top 10 and not in the middle of it.
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/gentopic.php?board=928518

4673 reasons why Brawl will resist SFF better than Melee.
(And even more if you are not using 50 threads/page)

Brawl has a huge, active fanbase right now. Melee does not.
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http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147

I'm not sure why failing to double Wind Waker was disappointing. 65% on a major Zelda game is great. Let's disparage RBY for failing to double Majora's Mask (which I'd wager is weaker than WW if I had to put money on it) while we're at it.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Well, SSBM had more reason to bring down the SFF hammer than RBY- the overlap is stronger there, and SSBM was the defining game of the GC whereas RBY was not on the same system as MM. And the thing is that I'd always thought of Melee as a clear top 6 game and a contender for #3 since the Boost happened. I don't think RBY is at that level yet, so it doesn't really need to match my earlier expectations for Melee.

Plus, my intuition, right or wrong, has always been that MM is stronger than WW. There are people who like MM a lot (a bit like FFIX), while I don't think I've ever heard anyone call WW the best Zelda game.
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

I'd be surprised if MM was stronger than WW. Don't see it happening directly or indirectly.

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There are people who like MM a lot (a bit like FFIX), while I don't think I've ever heard anyone call WW the best Zelda game.

I don't exactly hear a lot of people calling Majora's Mask the best Zelda game either.

And the ability to lay the SFF hammer down doesn't have much to do with strength. Samus has never really been able to SFF anything, for example.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

I think the thing with Pokemon is that it does hurt Nintendo games more than other games, but also has enough of a devoted fanbase to resist being SFFed into the ground.
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http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147

There are people who like MM a lot (a bit like FFIX), while I don't think I've ever heard anyone call WW the best Zelda game.

I don't exactly hear a lot of people calling Majora's Mask the best Zelda game either.

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Favorite_Legend_of_Zelda

Board 8, but hey!
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http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147

char's only going with RE4 for his bracket's sake!

My bracket died when SM64 failed to defeat LttP (unless Mario fans decide to abandon SMW for SMB3). While my bracket influenced me I think people are giving RE4 too little credit and SSBB/MGS4 too much credit.
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Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls
BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ: OoT > FFX Points: 323/448

RE4 just kind of sticks out too much as a weakling there. ZELDA. METAL GEAR SOLID. SMASH BROS.

...resident evil
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A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

Board 8 also prefers FFIX to FFVIII, for what that's worth.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

From: The n00b Avenger | #386
RE4 just kind of sticks out too much as a weakling there. ZELDA. METAL GEAR SOLID. SMASH BROS.

...resident evil

re4 has to deal with a shared fanbase with the other 3...it's gonna get wrecked.

RE4 went even with TP in round 2, heck even going by round 3 the LFF between TP/Brawl will drag them down.
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Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls
BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ: OoT > FFX Points: 323/448

RE4 just doesn't strike me as the kind of game that's kind to hold up well while being attacked on all sides by famous franchises. Well in the case of Brawl I guess I should say famous on GameFAQs
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A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

RE4 also has to deal with the MGS overlap, too. RE4 is only going to get fourth if Brawl's strength = Melee's and TP's is not that far off from OoT's, which isn't going to happen.

Melee's performance today does tell me that Brawl is probably going to flop here and TP will "upset" it, though. Personally, I think TP has the best chances of placing first and MGS4 and Brawl are going to be apart by less than 2000 votes.
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The Gamer In Me
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RE4 just kind of sticks out too much as a weakling there. ZELDA. METAL GEAR SOLID. SMASH BROS.

Good, the other games will fanboyism LFF each other.

And the ability to lay the SFF hammer down doesn't have much to do with strength. Samus has never really been able to SFF anything, for example.

That's true, but you could just as easily say that SSBM did SFF Wind Waker hard, but it wasn't as far ahead of it in natural strength as I thought. And it's not like SSBM not doubling WW is the end of the world or anything- just a slight disappointment to me, that's all.
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

It is really a shame that Majora's Mask was stuck behind a wall of SFF and we did not get a good read on it this contest.

... I personally think it can win over FF8/9/Tactics.
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SSBM getting 65% on Wind Waker was pretty impressive to me, personally, but eh.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

in the next contest can they be ordered by a rank or something like that. i think the contest would be more interesting like that.
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"As a rule, men worry more about what they can't see than about what they can. " - Julius Caesar

RE4 also has to deal with the MGS overlap

RE4 and MGS4 are like the furthest apart compare to other games in the series.
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Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls
BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ: OoT > FFX Points: 323/448

in the next contest can they be ordered by a rank or something like that. i think the contest would be more interesting like that.

Like the past two character battles all the games are seeded, we just can't see them.
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Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls
BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ: OoT > FFX Points: 323/448

RE4 and MGS4 are like the furthest apart compare to other games in the series.

The funny thing is that RE4 and MGS4 are more like each other than they are like other games in their series.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

I agree - Melee had a string of unimpressive performances. the only one I saw as being decent was the FF10 one because I didn't think they were splitting too hard -- that is, unless you think KH goes for 60%+ on MGS2. I'm not willing to go that far.
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xyzzy

I haven't posted in one of there in a while...

...TP/RE4/MGS4/SSBB up next?
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