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OoT is doing pretty decent but it doesn't compare to FFVII's performance yesterday seeing as how two other Nintendo games are in the poll for OoT to SFF. FFVII only had one other Square game to SFF (FFVI). Round 4 goes to FFVII.

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Ocarina has a chance in the final, if for no other reason than the board vote/first 1-2 hour vote is a huge handicap against FF in 4ways. It should be a good 500-1000 vote handicap at least. Early vote tendencies are also most exaggerated in a finals situation. The amount that the early voters loathe anything FF7 cannot be overstated, and in close matches they'll often be the deciding factor.

Considering there's a good chance the match will be close, that could manifest as FF7's Achilles Heel.
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Yeah, FFX is definitely benefiting from the situation it's in. If MGS4 or RE4 are there next round, we may get a more realistic percentage.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

If next round is OoT/FFX/SSBB/TP then OoT will get an even larger percentage. Frankly, last round was very telling for OoT.


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I will bury you.

Ah, that reminds me of something that hasn't been brought up yet. If TP makes it tomorrow, exactly how sad will it look in the semis? Does anyone think we'll see a ridiculous 85/15 split (think SMW/MM3 and SM64/YI)?
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It should have been over really early, but RBY gave me hope (colored with wishful thinking) with its second half hour. It probably could have made a 1500 vote comeback at 3 PM, but the 1400 at 6 AM thing I was completely wrong about- FFX.....just dismantled that morning vote.

Anyway, I really don't get most of the reactions to this match here. Pokemon RBY has pretty much cemented itself as a top 10 game, and I don't see how you can call Melee the favorite against it when it's getting 59% on it here. Yeah, the actual strength gap is much closer than that, but the only real argument against RBY beating Melee after this is that Pokemon just excels at 4-ways.

RBY has also clearly established itself as above all FF games other than VII. Up until round 3, you would have been laughed out of this topic for suggesting that RBY could beat FFX with 2 other big Nintendo games present. The fact that it'll end with close to 47% is impressive. FFX is going to end up 2% or less ahead of where MGS finished on OOT last round, despite having 2 Nintendo games instead of one Ninty game and FFVIII. MGS > FFX looks like a real possibility after this, and FFX might actually finish below where RBY finished on OOT last round.

That does seem like a very strange thing to me, and the best reason I can think of for it is picture factor (KP's picture last round was simply unfair, and very good). Obviously that's not a very satisfactory explanation considering there were 4 pictures, but I can't think of any other more compelling reasons. At any rate we can conclude that a bandwagon did not form around RBY, and I think most of the RBY support for this match was contingent on a bandwagon anyway.

LTTP/SM64/CT are still being underestimated, and SSBM/SSBB/FFX are being overestimated.
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TP is too liked to get beat down like Mega Man 3 or Yoshi's Island did. It probably gets tripled like just about every other scenario we've encountered.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

I think we might see an 80/20. All in all, I'm not very happy with TP's performances so far. Kinda seems like it picked up its three wins by holding up a "stock Zelda option" sign and not having any other Nintendo stuff in its way. It sucks since I have it placing today, but I'm not expecting good things.
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and I don't see how you can call Melee the favorite against it when it's getting 59% on it here.

I don't see how you can make anything conclusive out of an SFF situation. This is a Samus/Mario on Link situation here.

RBY has also clearly established itself as above all FF games other than VII.

Oh, so NOW RBY is getting LFF'd! All this "Pokemon is independent" talk, but now that it's losing, it's because of LFF and it could beat FFX anyway?
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Kinda seems like it picked up its three wins by holding up a "stock Zelda option" sign and not having any other Nintendo stuff in its way.

Yeah, because the stock Zelda option sign has worked out so well for other games in the series.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Pokemon isn't exactly completely independent from SSBM considering SSBM has Pokemon in it.
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I suppose not, but I don't think that RBY is suddenly a guaranteed favorite over FFX if FFX is going to do just as well on OoT as RBY did last round. And I wouldn't be so quick to point out the triple Nintendo LFF because Ocarina of Time is doing better with it this round than last round without it.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

The other Zeldas hit powerhouses too early, unfortunately. I think TP's true colors will be shown in a few hours. The way Melee completely wrecked Wind Waker doesn't inspire me with much hope, either. Actually, I think whichever two games emerge from tomorrow's match will be outclassed by FFX (maybe not Brawl, but Ocarina SFF should take care of that), but I still think Brawl has proven itself as the top dog since Melee/FFX came along.
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Also I wouldn't say RBY is clearly above FFX, but I'd say it's more likely to be higher than lower.
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Yeah, but Twilight Princess would wreck Wind Waker and Majora's Mask, too. There's really no question about that.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

give me RBY over FFX. if I'm going to take Melee over FFX, I've gotta take RBY.

one on one though? who knows.
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I think Melee and FFX are about equal to each other, and I'm not sure if I put Pokemon a little higher or a little lower than that, but it's probably around the same area of strength, too. There should be any sort of enormous gap separating the three, anyway.

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Still, I suppose when the situation is in doubt and FFVII isn't involved, side with Nintendo. FFVII is about the only thing that can consistently beat Nintendo anymore.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

We did see Pokemon get nearly 37% against OoT last round which is about where FFX will seem to land(and that's with being the only non-Nintendo game in the poll so it's hard to think that this 37% isn't a bit of over performance.) I'd favor Pokemon as well but hard to say for sure. At any rate I doubt it'd be any worse than a 52-48 match in any direction
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yup. CT and FFX look like 2 and 3, though the order could be up in the air. even those would lose to probably 5-6 Nintendo games.
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Yeah, I don't think FFX/SSBM/RBY are far apart in one direction or the other. MGS probably is a little bit below all three though.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

FFVII is about the only thing that can consistently beat Nintendo anymore.

Bless you GameFAQs

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I very much question TP being worth mid-60s on those games before SFF. That would probably make those Zeldas weaker than Half-Life 2 and around FFXII's level, which appears to be a pretty hated game. I guess we'll see, but TP is kinda like that "last frontier" for Smash, lame as it may sound. If Brawl beats it easily, then the nothing Nintendo has released since 2000 can touch Smash in terms of Nintendo SFF. I think it'll clear that frontier, hi ho silver.
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I very much question TP being worth mid-60s on those games before SFF.

I don't think SSBM got mid-60s on Wind Waker without SFF either, for what it's worth. RBY on Majora, who knows.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

True. Well then I still question it being worth low-60s on them!

(Also, the way you are defending TP makes me think you've yet to reach the crap dungeons. Time to check that topic.)
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I beat the game, man!
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

I'll be pretty surprised if TP beats Brawl.
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xyzzy

I don't expect TP to beat Brawl, but I don't think Brawl kills it either. What happened in round two was more Galaxy just being weak than Brawl being some SFF monster. Maybe it'll prove me wrong tonight, but I still think TP is a top 15-20 game and can stand up to Brawl.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

From: LeonhartFour | #326
I beat the game, man!

Oh dear.
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Aw yeah, FFX's first percentage increase since noon!
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Oh, so NOW RBY is getting LFF'd! All this "Pokemon is independent" talk, but now that it's losing, it's because of LFF and it could beat FFX anyway?

I've never ever said that Pokemon is independent of Nintendo. It's about as independent as a Nintendo game can get from OOT, but that doesn't mean it isn't going to get hurt, and by Triple LFF too. It beating FFX here was always going to be a product of it being simply stronger, and some bandwagoning. It didn't get the bandwagoning, and it's not all that far above FFX, so it's losing today.

And if RBY/SSBM is a Mario/Samus scenario, then clearly RBY wins 1v1! Really though, it's put up much more impressive performances than SSBM has ever done in a Games Contest even before today (meaning not the Series Contest, not the List, not SSB characters boosting through the stratosphere in 2005-6). SSBM could win, but giving it favorite status seems wrong.
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And I wouldn't be so quick to point out the triple Nintendo LFF because Ocarina of Time is doing better with it this round than last round without it.

This implies bad things about FFX, not RBY. It suggests MGS > FFX, and even MGS > SSBM.
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Although I guess MGS > SSBM really shouldn't be all that shocking in a post-Deboost world considering we saw MGS2 put up 44% on it in a pre-Boost world, and we saw MGS4 put up 48% on Brawl in the GOTY polls.

Whether or not MGS would actually beat FFX or SSBM, Division 32/64 has been vindicated this year. Goldeneye and MGS both did very well, but were beaten by games from the same era that were even more underrated than they were.
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are these new or did I just miss the post?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/images/bge09/bge09-60-1.jpg
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So we finally get to see Zelda face Zero Suit Samus.
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Gah, I like the concept for the pic, but the character images don't look very good. Zelda's great and Ada's solid, but ZSS and Meryl are kinda blurry/washed out.
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"Trapped in a poll
Surrounded by fanboys
Low on votes"



Clearly somebody doesn't know how to write a haiku.

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Pic 3 is the best one.

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Awaiting Final Fantasy XIII

"Trapped in a poll
Surrounded by fanboys
Low on votes"


How is this not biased towards MGS4?
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"Trapped in a poll
Surrounded by fanboys
Low on votes"



Clearly somebody doesn't know how to write a haiku.

Guess not. That's way off. It's supposed to be 5-7-5.
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"Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia

Uhhh, it's an Army of Darkness reference. For myself. I placed it at random. It was over Snake in the end. I had it over Link for a while but figured I didn't want any more attention towards him.
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This implies bad things about FFX, not RBY. It suggests MGS > FFX, and even MGS > SSBM.

What, the fact that FFX is putting up a slightly number on a better OoT suggests MGS > FFX? I don't know if I get what you're trying to say.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

slightly higher number.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

the sad thing about it is that 2004-2009 pic would be awesome if not for that stupid little bit of text thrown in for no reason
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That's Zen for you.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Yup! Why would I bother making a pic that plain?

BAM! Army of Darkness reference. Makes things more fun.

Will do analysis later.
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Hmm... those pics are less advantageous than Smash is used to. We've all seen ZSS in action, Falcon doesn't bring the votes, and there's no tsunami of Nintendo characters.
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Zen Analyzes the Match Pic!

Come on, Tunnel Snakes. These little pics ain't worth our time.

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Alright, so, I get the theme her. Heroine in front, hero fighting villain in the back. Gotcha, gotcha. But poor Meryl is stuck with the drum can and a generic soldier! And Samus is blocking most of Mario. Giga Boswer sure looks nice though. And I didn't know that was Ganondorf at first. Good pic overall, but I can't help but think that Samus' opacity could have been turned up (or is it turned down? MORE VISIBLE) a tad. Whatever.

Overall: 8/10
Balanced?: Ehhhh
Gimmicky?: There's a gimmick, but it isn't bad.
Advantage: Hmmm, not sure. Not Meryl, that's for sure.


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A standard pic. Two Links! A tad much, I believe. Might as well have had a close up on CAPTAIN FALCON. A man's man.

Wait does Snake have a beard. I don't remember that in MGS4... Uhhh... Whatever.

Overall: 7.5/10 (too generic to get my thumbs up)
Balanced?: Yeah sure, but I still don't like the two Links.
Gimmicky?: Nope
Advantage: Hmmm, I guess Bearded Snake for the intrigue. Seriously did I miss that in the game?


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Alright, one of mine! It's come to my attention that people don't care for the flavor text.

http://img.imgcake.com/Zen/dealwithit.gif

I'm going to get an Army of Darkness reference in these contests at least one per season. Last year I got Altair's font as the Army of Darkness one, and this year I managed to squeeze the tag line in. Gimme a few years and I'll get Bruce Campbell on the front page.

So yeah, a manly buffet of manliness. Captain Falcon draws the most attention because he's so awesome. Leon and Link are lookin' pretty standard, and while I didn't like that Snake much, it fit the best. Old Snake has a surprising lack of good pics.

Overall: 9/10 (but I'm biased because I love it so much <3)
Balanced?: I think so, but some paranoid people seem to believe the flavor text tips things to Snake.
Gimmicky?: I don't think so.
Advantage: Some people think that Snake will get it because of the text, but I hope you realize it's also placed over Captain Falcon, and I'm pretty sure this is gonna be Brawl vs MGS4 in the end anyway.



Summary:

Best pic: 3 with my bias, 1 without
Worst pic: 2 (but it's not bad at all)
Most controversial: 3
Overall advantage: Uhhh... Brawl?
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What, the fact that FFX is putting up a slightly number on a better OoT suggests MGS > FFX? I don't know if I get what you're trying to say.

FFX is doing slightly better on OOT than MGS did, despite having RBY and Melee in the poll dragging down OOT, while MGS only had RBY there (and possibly had FFVIII dragging MGS down, if you believe that). If you think replacing FFVIII with Melee would make MGS go up more than 2% on OOT, then MGS > FFX follows.

Or, to think about it in another way (and if you don't buy this argument at all, that's fine, but the first should still stand), OOT is getting a higher percentage on RBY/SSBM/FFX than it got on RBY/MGS/FFVIII.

RBY = RBY (presumably, but there are other factors like pictures, E3, etc.)

Ergo, MGS + FFVIII > SSBM + FFX

Now, this second argument is flawed, because in fact, OOT is probably SFFing Melee hard enough to offset the damage from LFF. That is, its absolute (but not relative) percentage is actually being helped, but it does illustrate SSBM/FFX being in the same area as MGS/FFVIII quite nicely.
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And continuing on along that line of thought, I no longer think the top 15 are all very close together. I mean, the gap from 3 to 15 is still smaller than from 2 to 3, but it's not much smaller. LTTP probably wrecks FFX to the tune of 58-60% or so (which is only 2-4% higher than it's projected to in 2004, so I'm not saying FFX has fallen off a cliff or anything) And yes, that would put FFX pretty close to FFVI, but I'm fine with that.

And I submit that if someone from the future had told us before that contest that Ocarina could get 63% on FFX with 2 top 10ish games, also from Nintendo, in the poll, the reaction would have been disbelief followed by a mad rush to take OOT > FFVII.
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