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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 741

BOOMSHAKALAKA1 | Posted 6/3/2009 10:14:35 PM | message detail
Yea, OoT will finish 39-40
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/3/2009 10:15:36 PM | message detail
For some reason, I doubt OoT gains much with the ASV. It didn't last time, and now it has Melee's day vote to deal with. Basically, whatever it ends up with at the end of the night is pretty close to what it's gonna finish with.

It probably won't, because it's got to deal with 2 other ASV opponents in Melee and RBY.

6 AM: 1400
3 PM: 1500


A 100 vote gain between 6 AM and 3 PM?
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ExquisiteSamurai | Posted 6/3/2009 10:17:20 PM | message detail
RBY dying now as Melee used cut but missed.

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red sox 777 | Posted 6/3/2009 10:17:47 PM | message detail
Yeah, if RBY is going to crush the ASV enough to make up 1500 votes, the morning + DSV should be mostly stalling.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/3/2009 10:23:55 PM | message detail
If RBY can't even gain an advantage during the power hour I find it hard to see how it would manage a stall during the DSV
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KingBartz | Posted 6/3/2009 10:25:14 PM | message detail
Resident Evil – 22.72%
Star Fox 64 – 20.86%
Super Mario Kart – 19.89%
Symphony of the Night – 19.40%


HAhaha raw stats.

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red sox 777 | Posted 6/3/2009 10:25:55 PM | message detail
That would be why those are targets and not projections. I'm saying that if FFX is only at a 1400 vote lead at 6, I expect RBY to be able to mostly stall from then 'till 3.
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hochiminhX | Posted 6/3/2009 10:36:14 PM | message detail
Honestly, FFX is doing terrible. I had OoT pegged at about 40% here so its doing what it needed to. We really need a FFVII/OoT match after the final.



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RockMFR 5 | Posted 6/3/2009 10:36:30 PM | message detail
FFX will be getting consistent 50 vote gains in a few hours. It'll be up 2500 easy by the time RBY starts stalling it again.
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Silver_Ermine | Posted 6/3/2009 10:38:55 PM | message detail
Just like MGS did right?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/3/2009 10:39:12 PM | message detail

From: RockMFR 5 | Posted: 6/4/2009 1:36:30 AM | #459
FFX will be getting consistent 50 vote gains in a few hours. It'll be up 2500 easy by the time RBY starts stalling it again.


And Pokemon might come back anyway.
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hochiminhX | Posted 6/3/2009 10:39:35 PM | message detail
FFVIII, FFVI or FFX - which is strongest? All of them kind of disappointed this contest.

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red sox 777 | Posted 6/3/2009 10:42:03 PM | message detail
FFX's problem here is that the hours it does best at are the hours that receive the least votes in the whole poll. It'll be demolishing RBY in a few more hours, but it'll still have difficulty getting consistent 30 vote gains, much less 50 vote gains.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/3/2009 10:46:37 PM | message detail
And Pokemon might come back anyway.

Eh, I think it'll have a hard time coming back from that far down. It won't be able to win the ASV decisively, which is why I think FFX is fine even if it is only up 1500 going into the ASV. Melee is really going to dilute RBY's ASV. FFX will fall, but RBY won't gain like it did last round.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/3/2009 10:48:24 PM | message detail

From: hochiminhX | #462
FFVIII, FFVI or FFX - which is strongest? All of them kind of disappointed this contest.


Neither VIII or X have disappointed, they just ran into Nintendo brick walls. I think VIII fell victim to what Melee is facing right now - people are just supporting another option. I still wouldn't be surprised if VIII can challenge MGS in a 1v1, and I'd take Melee over Pokemon in a 1v1 outright.
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transience | Posted 6/3/2009 10:49:03 PM | message detail
Melee is really going to dilute RBY's ASV.

didn't we say this about Ocarina of Time?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/3/2009 10:49:13 PM | message detail
The idea that our final eight could possibly be seven Nintendo games and FFVII is pretty saddening, and I love Nintendo.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/3/2009 10:49:56 PM | message detail
Melee is really going to dilute RBY's ASV.

didn't we say this about Ocarina of Time?


We did, yeah, but Melee's ASV is probably just as good, if not better than RBY's. I just don't see how all three of them could skyrocket during the ASV. It just won't happen.
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transience | Posted 6/3/2009 10:50:50 PM | message detail
it doesn't have to skyrocket. all it needs is for FF10 to fall off -- and it will.

if Ocarina can't crush RBY's trends, SFF'd Melee won't.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/3/2009 10:51:09 PM | message detail
And to add on to that point, I think we saw some of that last round with SSBM and KH. KH cut a lot of votes off of FFX in round two, but it couldn't dominate the day vote like it normally would thanks to SSBM's presence (and SSBM likewise could not do the same), though FFX did fall a lot during the day. It just wasn't being cut by KH much.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/3/2009 10:52:38 PM | message detail
And as I said before, we saw MGS1 apparently benefit from three Nintendo games fighting for a day vote, one of which was RBY.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/3/2009 10:53:01 PM | message detail
FFX would have to pull a chokejob for the ages. MGS's largest lead was 100 votes. FFX is already up 300 and has those three dead vote hours to look forward to.
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PiGuy96 | Posted 6/3/2009 10:55:56 PM | message detail
KH didn't cut FFX last round because it was further behind than the round before, so it stalled instead. Down 6000 and stalling is pretty similar to down 5000 and cutting 500, that didn't have anything to do with Melee. Ocarina and Melee aren't going to affect RBY relative to FFX at all.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/3/2009 10:56:00 PM | message detail
VI, VIII, and X are probably all pretty close. I don't think VI embarassed itself as much as most people do. Given the way people have been talking for a long time as if they expected CT and FFVI to have fallen off a cliff, I wouldn't have thought they'd be so surprised to see that FFVI, is, in fact, a lot weaker than in 2004. But getting 40-41ish on LTTP, which is around what it looks like it'd get, still makes it quite competitive with FFVIII and even X.
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PiGuy96 | Posted 6/3/2009 10:58:16 PM | message detail
And as I said before, we saw MGS1 apparently benefit from three Nintendo games fighting for a day vote, one of which was RBY.

That was a weekend match. MGS has a very good DSV (unlike, say, CT), which was distributed throughout the day. MGS still fell from peak to trough in the day before recovering a bit in the second night vote, which also strikes earlier on weekends.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/3/2009 10:59:11 PM | message detail
I dunno. I just don't see how RBY could gain 2500 votes on MGS in round three and do virtually NOTHING to it in round two. What explanation is there other than three Nintendo games fighting for a day vote?
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/3/2009 10:59:11 PM | message detail
Even if Melee is going to hurt RBY's ASV, it should also have already hurt its power hour, since Melee is excellent then also. And, Melee will fail utterly with the deep night, do poorly with the morning, and do abysmally with the DSV, which would presumably help RBY in those periods if Melee is going to be hurting its ASV.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/3/2009 11:00:44 PM | message detail
Weekend trends really are quite different.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/3/2009 11:01:30 PM | message detail
After two hours last round: RBY leads by 337
After two hours tonight: FFX leads by 352
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/3/2009 11:01:36 PM | message detail
i would also imagine that splitting trends with another Pokemon game would be far worse than splitting with...anything else, really.

1500 is doable, i think.

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PiGuy96 | Posted 6/3/2009 11:01:45 PM | message detail
The explanation is that it was already down several thousands of votes in round 2 instead of down 0 in round 3. Even if that was a weekday match I don't think RBY would have cut in the ASV just because it was down so much.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/3/2009 11:01:49 PM | message detail
Does this performance make anyone rethink Brawl's chances tomorrow? After the Galaxy route, I thought it was headed for 60/40 against Twilight Princes, but I'm not quite as sure now. Still wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see it, though; the Nintendo fanbase doesn't seem to be very "excited" about TP; it's just been the stock Zelda option with no other Nintendo stuff to get in its way.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/3/2009 11:01:52 PM | message detail
Weekend trends didn't stop RE4 from making a comeback on MGS3.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/3/2009 11:02:23 PM | message detail
FFX by the hour:

1:00 | 51.29%
2:00 | 53.11%

Pretty sharp improvement for FFX there.
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ZFS | Posted 6/3/2009 11:02:31 PM | message detail
If Pokemon is down 1500 votes in this match, it ain't coming back.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/3/2009 11:02:31 PM | message detail
Even if that was a weekday match I don't think RBY would have cut in the ASV just because it was down so much.

Didn't stop G/S.
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PiGuy96 | Posted 6/3/2009 11:03:21 PM | message detail
RE4 also happens to have a good DSV, and a marginally better ASV. And it was still the slowest comeback ever.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/3/2009 11:04:06 PM | message detail
Yeah, but MGS3's trends are supposed to be diluted on the weekend. The day vote still sucked to the point that it gave up a 600 vote lead to a Resident Evil game.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/3/2009 11:04:53 PM | message detail
Weekend trends didn't stop RE4 from making a comeback on MGS3.

An agonizingly slow comeback. And remember RE4 holding off KH2 with only a 1200 vote lead? Go into the ASV against KH on a weekday with a 1200 vote lead, and unless you're SSB or Halo, that lead is going to vanish pretty quickly.
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PiGuy96 | Posted 6/3/2009 11:05:10 PM | message detail
GS was down 6400 going into the ASV; considering that RBY lost by 9000 it would've been down a lot more at 3:00 if it was going to cut, and nothing turns that much percentage around.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/3/2009 11:06:15 PM | message detail
Yeah, but even if you're talking in terms of raw percentage, RBY didn't even gain that much, not like it did last round.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/3/2009 11:07:07 PM | message detail
I can't believe the discussion in here. If you're gonna listen to a game theme while using hand lotion in non-hand places, make it Otherworld instead of Pallet Town, ok?
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PiGuy96 | Posted 6/3/2009 11:09:00 PM | message detail
That's because it didn't lose that percentage during the DSV. When those two get mixed everything gets muted.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/3/2009 11:09:13 PM | message detail
You're right- RBY did really badly in round 2 with the day for whatever reason. Maybe it's just affected a lot by weekend trends. It's rather hard to argue that the other Nintendo games in the poll caused it though, when they combined to beat RBY by less than OOT alone beat it next round, and when MM and GS's day votes were just fine.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/3/2009 11:10:12 PM | message detail
Besides, another difference is that FFX is better during non-ASV daylight periods than MGS is, which means I don't think RBY's going to cut like mad in the morning. Heck, even FFVIII was able to do better relative to RBY with the morning vote last round. FFX probably does the same here. MGS's morning vote is awful, FFX's is very good.
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PiGuy96 | Posted 6/3/2009 11:11:37 PM | message detail
Like, last round, RBY was at 22.5% in the morning, fell to 21.85% in the DSV, and recovered to 22.6% with the ASV. Mash all those together and you have RBY gaining .1% in the day.
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PiGuy96 | Posted 6/3/2009 11:12:43 PM | message detail
Oh, I think FFX has a great shot here. I just think arguing that Melee and Ocarina being in the poll means that RBY can't come back is dumb.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/3/2009 11:13:05 PM | message detail
Pokemon looks damn primed for a comeback here, if not one of those dominant day vote comebacks. Final Fantasy X is performing like utter **** with nothing to SFF it.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/3/2009 11:13:29 PM | message detail
Play EarthBound.
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Silverflash-x | Posted 6/3/2009 11:13:30 PM | message detail
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