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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 739

red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 9:51:21 PM | message detail
But LTTP/SM64/CT/SMB3/SMW/RBY are probably all really close.....less than 55-45 from top to bottom probably, and maybe closer.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 9:51:22 PM | message detail
FFVII isn't gaining as much right now.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/2/2009 9:52:36 PM | message detail
Funny thing is I got the same number of points for my FFIV > SMB3 prediction as Ulti did with his.

Ulti, we have equal bragging rights as far as point values are concerned, ha!
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/2/2009 9:53:09 PM | message detail
But LTTP/SM64/CT/SMB3/SMW/RBY are probably all really close

Get that RBY out of here unless you want to add FFX and maybe MGS to that list.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 9:54:07 PM | message detail
Why? RBY probably beats MGS/FFX with like 54-55% 1v1.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/2/2009 9:54:15 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #401
But LTTP/SM64/CT/SMB3/SMW/RBY are probably all really close.....less than 55-45 from top to bottom probably, and maybe closer.


True, but man, if we just got some reliable evidence that LttP could take Melee, we could peg that in there as the #3. I doubt Pokemon is quite at Melee's level against neutral competition, and it would probably be weakened if we reverted to 1v1 for whatever that's worth (probably nothing since we're never going back).
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 9:55:31 PM | message detail
RBY probably beats MGS/FFX with like 54-55% 1v1.

That's just guessing. We'll never know what RBY will actually get on MGS or FFX. MGS might have won last round if it was three Nintendo options and MGS, just like FFX might do it tomorrow.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/2/2009 9:55:42 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | Posted: 6/3/2009 12:52:36 AM | #403
Funny thing is I got the same number of points for my FFIV > SMB3 prediction as Ulti did with his.

Ulti, we have equal bragging rights as far as point values are concerned, ha!


Yeah isn't that stupid? Why equal weight is given for right game, wrong spot or only getting second place right is beyond me.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 9:56:22 PM | message detail
Yeah, that's why divisions by eras suck. The only comparisons we get across eras are through FFVII, OOT, and bandwagons. Melee's looked pretty underwhelming this year though.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 9:56:30 PM | message detail
Mario 64 is dying now. Man, what a frontloaded game.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 9:58:06 PM | message detail
Hmm...

What does RBY vs. MGS based on their respective scores against Majora's Mask give you?

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 9:58:28 PM | message detail
RBY with like 53%.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/2/2009 9:58:32 PM | message detail
Mario 3 was up by like 500 votes at this time last match. This is not over yet.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 9:59:09 PM | message detail
The difference is that Mario is the one coming from behind this time! For some reason, I doubt it's going to beat Zelda's day vote after yesterday!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 10:00:00 PM | message detail
Actually, it's closer to 54% for RBY. 53.94% to be precise.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 10:00:59 PM | message detail
No, this isn't over yet. Mario 64 is very different from Mario 3. Unlike yesterday, the Mario game is the one that draws on the younger fanbase today. Let's set a target for LTTP of.....600 votes by 6 AM. I think Mario can come back from that.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 10:01:51 PM | message detail
Can't let LTTP get too many more of those updates though.
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transience | Posted 6/2/2009 10:02:07 PM | message detail
yeah, Mario 64 sucks ass overnight. this match is over since we'll see LTTP up by a good 1500 votes come morning.

not a bad show by Mario 64 though.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 10:02:10 PM | message detail
Hey, our most votes during the Power Hour since the Battletoads match!

Which basically means it's the most votes in the first hour legitimately in the contest.
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/2/2009 10:05:29 PM | message detail
Mario 3 just simply does not have the day vote that Mario World or 64 has. Neither does LttP. Actually, all of the strongest games in the 2004 (FF7, CT, SMB3, LttP, FF6, FFX, Starcraft) have not looked particularly impressive during the day, except for OoT and SSBM.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 10:06:23 PM | message detail
As for RBY, if it advances again we can start talking about Top 5 status (and by extension, MGS in the Top 10). Until then, I'm pretty comfortable with it in the 7-10 range.

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red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 10:08:14 PM | message detail
600 is probably too conservative actually, I think Mario can do like 800.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 10:08:26 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | Mario 1 | Zelda 1 | Mario 3 | Mario World | Demographic
EBV | 11.60% | 25.90% | 29.67% | 32.83% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 10.44% | 26.00% | 31.90% | 31.66% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 11.12% | 26.73% | 30.33% | 31.81% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 12.06% | 28.99% | 28.24% | 30.71% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 10.77% | 28.88% | 29.12% | 31.23% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 11.25% | 30.87% | 27.42% | 30.45% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 10.42% | 30.69% | 29.50% | 29.39% | (22:00-24:00)

I think we can let the numbers speak for themselves.

Yesterday's stats:

Super Mario World – 50.00%
Super Mario Bros. 3 – 48.36%
The Legend of Zelda – 48.33%
Super Mario Bros. – 26.33%


First Quarter Stats

Super Mario World – 51.64%
Super Mario Bros. 3 – 50.00%
Super Mario Bros. – 49.53%
Super Mario World (Round 3) – 49.52%
Super Mario Bros. 3 (Round 4) – 48.36%
The Legend of Zelda – 48.33%
Final Fantasy I – 44.11%
Final Fantasy IV – 38.57%
Sonic the Hedgehog – 31.69%
Mega Man 3 – 31.68%
Tetris – 30.06%
Street Fighter II – 28.19%
Mega Man 2 – 27.22%
Battletoads – 23.00%
Metroid – 20.91%
The Oregon Trail – 20.52%
Pac-Man – 17.39%
Pong – 17.35%
Donkey Kong – 16.23%
Contra – 15.40%
Punch-Out!! – 15.03%
Ninja Gaiden – 15.00%
Duck Hunt – 12.95%
River City Ransom– 12.78%
Civilization – 12.07%
The Secret of Monkey Island – 11.37%
Castlevania III – 11.23%
SimCity – 10.46%
Dragon Warrior III – 9.66%
Space Invaders – 8.36%
Galaga – 8.08%
Prince of Persia – 7.25%
Tecmo Super Bowl – 6.83%
Crystalis – 5.65%

Heh, these stats are just jacked up. I don't know what to do with 'em. Oh well, not like they're really worth anything anyway.

First Quarter Raw Stats

Super Mario World – 50.00%
Super Mario Bros. 3 – 48.36%
The Legend of Zelda – 48.33%
Final Fantasy IV – 37.30%
Sonic the Hedgehog – 29.73%
Street Fighter II – 28.80%
Super Mario Bros. – 26.33%
Battletoads – 23.22%
Final Fantasy – 19.12%
Contra – 16.60%
Tetris – 15.92%
Mega Man 2 – 14.47%
Mega Man 3 – 14.47%
The Secret of Monkey Island – 13.78%
River City Ransom – 12.36%
Civilization – 11.33%
The Oregon Trail – 11.03%
Castlevania III – 10.54%
Dragon Warrior III – 10.41%
SimCity – 10.12%
Pong – 9.32%
Pac-Man – 9.21%
Metroid – 8.86%
Punch-Out!! – 7.96%
Donkey Kong – 7.62%
Prince of Persia – 7.32%
Duck Hunt – 6.88%
Tecmo Super Bowl – 6.61%
Ninja Gaiden – 6.28%
Crystalis – 5.46%
Space Invaders – 4.43%
Galaga – 4.30%

Man, SMB winning the first division means a lot of games under 10% raw value.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/2/2009 10:08:27 PM | message detail
Is anyone else expecting a relatively easy-ish victory for FFX tomorrow? Bandwagons or not, considering that all three of its opponents are potential Top 5, it's in the most advantageous position it could ask for. I also think Pokemon and Smash are going to hurt each other more than most people are predicting. The games are only about three years apart and are favorites among younger Nintendo fans (especially when considering both are from relatively new Nintendo series outside the traditional big three). I'm expecting definite overlap there, and with Ocarina in the mix and FFX packing some legit natural strength (last round showed me it can still put up a very respectable performance against Melee 1v1), I'll be pretty surprised if it's anything other than Ocarina > FFX.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 10:09:57 PM | message detail
I'll be sad if Pokemon eliminates yet another favorite game of mine.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/2/2009 10:10:45 PM | message detail
And I'm here to argue that the chances of that happening are not very high!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 10:11:41 PM | message detail
I agree with you, but if this format has taught me anything, it's that you never count Pokemon out of it!
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MetricTrout | Posted 6/2/2009 10:12:23 PM | message detail
If FFX does not advance tomorrow, it officially sucks, should be dropped from the Top 15, and put in whatever tier FF6 is in now.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 10:13:02 PM | message detail
It could happen, but I'm rather expecting Melee to get killed. The hype is gone, and it's in a very bad place to be- 3rd on an SFF ladder (which isn't to say that it couldn't beat Pokemon 1v1, but Ocarina makes a big difference), probably in last place in the match. RBY probably needs some bandwagoning to beat FFX in spite of that.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 10:13:36 PM | message detail
I think Pokemon is going to overlap way, way less than people are expecting...but it probably only beats FFX by like 52% 1 on 1 anyway, so any nudge in a general direction probably kills it.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 10:14:20 PM | message detail
So how badly does FFX need to beat RBY before we think FFX beats it one-on-one? Or does it matter how badly?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 10:16:06 PM | message detail
And honestly, I'm not seeing where this bandwagon thing is coming from. Nothing RBY has done has really been conducive to that.


So how badly does FFX need to beat RBY before we think FFX beats it one-on-one? Or does it matter how badly?

We'll see when the match comes, but there's a lot of factors to consider when looking at the match.

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transience | Posted 6/2/2009 10:16:31 PM | message detail
I'm still trying to come up with a single instance of company SFF/LFF. the closest I can come up with is Wind Waker.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 10:18:43 PM | message detail
Which is why RBY still has a shot. Honestly, I'm expecting it to overlap almost as much with FFX as the other two games. At least they're both RPGs.

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red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 10:22:27 PM | message detail
Going to go to bed, may as well do a projection first. I'm well aware this is not a very good projection, but assuming CT and FFVI drop off the same amount from here on, CT's Europe suckiness being compensated by FFVI's day vote, using R2 for SM64 to avoid the problem of its ridiculous early vote in R3......

Current Projection: Super Mario 64 wins with 50.30%.
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transience | Posted 6/2/2009 10:23:33 PM | message detail
I was with you with Zelda coming back on Mario, but I can't get behind that one. LTTP should have this by at least a thousand votes.

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KingBartz | Posted 6/2/2009 10:24:31 PM | message detail
nah, lttp has got this.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/2/2009 10:24:47 PM | message detail
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 10:25:59 PM | message detail
Eh, LTTP probably wins this, but I feel decently good about SM64 keeping it under 1000 by the end.
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hochiminhX | Posted 6/2/2009 10:34:08 PM | message detail
LOL. If the Zelda fans push LTTP over the edge today, the pretty much just committed suicide in the finals.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 6/2/2009 10:35:58 PM | message detail
Three short comments:

- wow, what a fight last match. who would've thought SMB3 would have come within a razor thin margin of being eliminated in the quarters?
- this match suddenly makes Chrono Trigger look a heckuva lot better if SM64 keeps it respectable. contrary to my pre-contest impressions, it's making a case for being the strongest of all the Marios
- can't see FFX dropping the ball here against RBY. I'd love for MGS to be stronger than it, but that's very far-fetched - and MGS would have won in the position that FFX is in
- I said MGS4 would be a foregone conclusion for this round to advance unless it just bombed last match - and it did just that. Not sure if it even beats RE4 now, though that's counterintuitive to my impressions. Still has a chance to advance, but not a lock at all
- LttP and FFX seem like virtual locks for the finals now - the "best case" scenario for OoT is unfolding, but FF7 is not giving an inch on impressing in these late stages of the contest. OoT needs a mammoth performance this round to prove to me that it's stronger than FF7 1v1 - though FF7 not exactly killing FF6 here does give some hope. Quite possible that FF6 looks better than FFX though once FF7 gets challenged...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 6/2/2009 10:36:36 PM | message detail
three for five comments what a bargain
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creativename | Posted 6/2/2009 10:39:02 PM | message detail
three for five comments what a bargain

Someone needs to learn their counting. Go back to kindergarten! :)
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creativename | Posted 6/2/2009 10:42:02 PM | message detail
Looking at the SMB3 match again, that 50+ vote swing was out of nowhere. No buildup, no momentum, nothing. That wasn't really even like a Frog/Chrono Trigger rally, it was just an utter outlier. Clear fishiness of the highest order! I call shenanigans!

:( Match would've been more exciting at the end if not for that probably, because after that the match was done 15 minutes premature it seems. It should've rightly come down to the very last update. The match, and us, deserved that.

Hmm. Even easily the best match of the best gets tainted a bit, blargh
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hochiminhX | Posted 6/2/2009 10:42:57 PM | message detail
FFVII is going to outdo what OoT did last round with the 3rd and 4th strongest game in the poll plus a top 15 game as well. OoT just had a bunch of scrubs.

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Lopen | Posted 6/2/2009 10:48:31 PM | message detail
XD

The end of that Mario match was AMAZING. 50 vote spike out of nowhere gotta love it. Mario is a cheating bastard. ... now to see how this match looks!
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Lopen | Posted 6/2/2009 10:56:45 PM | message detail
Well, this match is going exactly as I expected it right now... my AC prediction is basically spot on. Of course, FF7 will rise a ton so that's not exactly going to hold up.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 11:12:01 PM | message detail
Not sure if it even beats RE4 now, though that's counterintuitive to my impressions.

Well, unless MGS3 > MGS4, I think it'll beat RE4. Twilight Princess is the one it needs to be careful of this round, I think. Brawl > TP is still a realistic scenario, I think.

I'm still trying to come up with a single instance of company SFF/LFF. the closest I can come up with is Wind Waker.

FFX/KH seems pretty obvious to me. Depending on where Mario 64 finishes on FFVII, we could argue Mario 64/GoldenEye. GoldenEye/Mario Kart 64 seems like one, too. It's pretty obvious that LTTP's division had a ton of Nintendo LFF in it, too. Oh, and Brawl/Galaxy, obviously. But the thing is that it's going to be difficult to tell where SFF was and where it wasn't in this contest.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/2/2009 11:17:44 PM | message detail
My goodness, the Final Fantasies are already combining for 53% of the vote, and they should rise a fair bit higher before morning. I had them at 50%, figuring that the last two FF/FF matches (with 1, 4, 8, and 9) made the pairs look ugly, but this is the first one combining reps from each era, so maybe the appeal is broader. Who knows.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 11:18:54 PM | message detail
FFVI is probably the game that resists LFF from FFVII the best, honestly, probably for that very reason. I think FFVII will beat FFX down way worse than this.
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