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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 737

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/2/2009 1:37:59 PM | message detail
Is that a true GS sequel or a remake?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 1:38:03 PM | message detail
FFXI sold well enough. Why wouldn't they do another one?
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/2/2009 1:38:27 PM | message detail
I'm thinking/hoping SM64 is the strongest Mario-game, so that would make it tougher for LoZ to advance next round, especially if SM64/SMW split less than SMW/SMB3/SMB1. LoZ has also aged the worst out of next round's options. Then again, LoZ will also be the only NES game in the poll for its first time and the board may fight for LoZ to advance so LoZ:OoT has a shot to beat FF7.

I'm backing SM64 in that situation, but it's not like LoZ is dead in the water. It could reasonably get third place, but I don't like its chances to do any better in that situation (though that would be the best situation it can ask for).
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 1:38:30 PM | message detail
From the sound of it, it's a true GS sequel. Nothing about it being a remake was said.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 1:38:44 PM | message detail
Pretty sure it's a sequel.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/2/2009 1:38:55 PM | message detail
FFXI is a good cash cow, and they get monthly fees. It doesn't surprise me they'd make a new one to update it
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/2/2009 1:40:20 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 6/2/2009 4:38:55 PM | #406
FFXI is a good cash cow, and they get monthly fees. It doesn't surprise me they'd make a new one to update it


It's also a complete piece of crap. Has anyone here played it? If it were any game not named "Final Fantasy", people would see it for the ****-in-a-box it is.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 1:40:33 PM | message detail
I suppose I shouldn't be saying this after today, but I would be shocked if Zelda 1 advanced next round. It's only doing this because of being stuck with three Mario games with a ton of overlap. Make it two with less overlap, and it gets beaten pretty easily.

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red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 1:41:50 PM | message detail
Zelda 1's not getting to the finals if it still loses to a Mario game today despite 2 other Mario games being in the poll. And, at this point I think Mario 64 really is the strongest Mario- we'll see soon enough.
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creativename | Posted 6/2/2009 1:43:19 PM | message detail
There's no way in hell LoZ advances next round. It can't beat LttP obviously, and if Mario 64 can actually beat LttP (pretty doubtful) it'll beat LoZ, SMW or not.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/2/2009 1:43:22 PM | message detail
Oh and sorry for acting like an ass, I can get carried away when I think people aren't taking me seriously.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/2/2009 1:44:22 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #408
I suppose I shouldn't be saying this after today, but I would be shocked if Zelda 1 advanced next round. It's only doing this because of being stuck with three Mario games with a ton of overlap. Make it two with less overlap, and it gets beaten pretty easily.


From: red sox 777 | #409
Zelda 1's not getting to the finals if it still loses to a Mario game today despite 2 other Mario games being in the poll. And, at this point I think Mario 64 really is the strongest Mario- we'll see soon enough.


Agree x2. It's a wonderful pipe dream for Ocarina, but the odds are practically impossible. I actually think LttP wouldn't have much trouble making the finals even if LoZ was there. It's clearly the #1 SNES game - Mario World is second fiddle.
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creativename | Posted 6/2/2009 1:44:25 PM | message detail
I've always though Mario 64 was a step below SMB3 and SMW in terms of strength.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 1:46:17 PM | message detail
14:29 - 14:45: Zelda Up 25
14:45 - 15:00: Zelda Up 14
15:00 - 15:15: Zelda Up 91
15:15 - 15:30: Zelda Up 31
15:30 - 15:45: Zelda Up 49
15:45 - 16:00: Zelda Up 85
16:00 - 16:15: Zelda Up 46
16:15 - 16:30: Zelda Up 56
16:30 - 16:45: Zelda Up 47

Lead: 945
Votes per 5-minute update needed to win: 10.86
Votes per 15-minute update needed to win: 32.59

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 1:47:08 PM | message detail
Oh and sorry for acting like an ass, I can get carried away when I think people aren't taking me seriously.

No problem, no problem. We've all been there.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/2/2009 1:49:25 PM | message detail
Mario 64 loses to LttP, and there will be no good way to find out how it's strength compared to World/3.(it's probably going to perform better against FF7 because of better conditions no matter what happens, and its performance relative to LttP will be impossible to judge the next round with 3 Nintendo games in the mix).

Although I guess if Mario 64 performs worse against FF7 than World does the next round despite its advantage I guess we can officially call it weaker
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/2/2009 1:49:25 PM | message detail
I miss 15 minute updates so much.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 1:50:09 PM | message detail
It makes no difference. I'd rather have insta-updates though.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 1:51:12 PM | message detail
I'm very, very glad instant-updates are gone. There's no way I wouldn't be able to stop myself from F5ing constantly for hours, and the 5-minute break between updates lets us talk.

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red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 1:52:52 PM | message detail
Instant updates made CT/LTTP, but other than that, I think I prefer 5-minute updates.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/2/2009 1:54:31 PM | message detail
I live five-minute updates the most -- it keeps the Power Hour quite interesting with time to talk, adds supense to comebacks, and is still quick enough for more impatient people. I would probably be cool with ten-minute updates too as a happy compromise, but fifteen-minute updates are just too long now and insta-updates are too frantic and can be hard on the site for close matches.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 6/2/2009 1:57:11 PM | message detail
From: creativename | Posted: 6/2/2009 4:35:43 PM | #395
Final Fantasy XIV...another MMO?

God why has Square's decision making sucked so bad the past few years.


Glad I'm not alone on this. Final Fantasy 11 is the worst FF game in the entire series, including all spinoffs. And now those idiots want to make ANOTHER one?


Agreed.
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/2/2009 1:57:46 PM | message detail
Yeah with 15 minute updates I could go play a game pause it for a few seconds and continue on playing.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/2/2009 1:58:59 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #419
I'm very, very glad instant-updates are gone. There's no way I wouldn't be able to stop myself from F5ing constantly for hours, and the 5-minute break between updates lets us talk.


Yeah I totally agree. For clsoe matches I was too addicted doing that. Like I remember the Sonic/Samus match in 2002, I didn't stop F5ing for an hour
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/2/2009 1:59:47 PM | message detail
Really, think of insta-updates for close matches like we are every night for the first five minutes of every match...and listen to us nowadays with every unsuspected update during those close match. Now take away the five-minutes of rest and the small pool of new votes if you check more than every five minutes, and this topic would go to hell.

It would be cool to have the last five minutes of every match be insta-updates like the first five minutes though, to be fair! I just don't think I could take this topic's passion for cheating-accusations and updates all day without a break.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/2/2009 2:01:02 PM | message detail
Sonic/Samus damn near broke the site. I remember that from my lurker-days!
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/2/2009 2:01:05 PM | message detail
From the last hour LoZ will take the lead at 21:55

From the last half hour LoZ will take the lead at 22:25

Looks like it's slowing down
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 2:02:03 PM | message detail
Zelda needs to cut 129.7 votes per hour to win.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 2:02:50 PM | message detail
Zelda 1 by the hour against Mario 3:

1:00 | 44.90%
2:00 | 47.23%
3:00 | 46.57%
4:00 | 46.58%
5:00 | 48.49%
6:00 | 44.97%
7:00 | 51.03%
8:00 | 51.32%
9:00 | 49.60
10:00 | 50.00
11:00 | 49.60
12:00 | 48.60
13:00 | 51.27
14:00 | 49.32
15:00 | 51.18
16:00 | 54.12
17:00 | 52.79

This looks like it's going to be close. Well, neither Frog nor Mario have ever lost a close match, and SMB3 has both tonight.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 2:06:41 PM | message detail
3 17 vote cuts in a row. Consistency is good!

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RockMFR 5 | Posted 6/2/2009 2:09:24 PM | message detail
This is looking good :D
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paulg235 | Posted 6/2/2009 2:09:31 PM | message detail
Well, neither Frog nor Mario have ever lost a close match, and SMB3 has both tonight.

I think this is the first someone other than me has mentioned this tonight.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/2/2009 2:10:15 PM | message detail
31 cut there
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/2/2009 2:10:56 PM | message detail
...I just now got the Frog/Mario-joke. Clever!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 2:15:32 PM | message detail
There's two 30 vote cuts in a row.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 2:16:10 PM | message detail
14:29 - 14:45: Zelda Up 25
14:45 - 15:00: Zelda Up 14
15:00 - 15:15: Zelda Up 91
15:15 - 15:30: Zelda Up 31
15:30 - 15:45: Zelda Up 49
15:45 - 16:00: Zelda Up 85
16:00 - 16:15: Zelda Up 46
16:15 - 16:30: Zelda Up 56
16:30 - 16:45: Zelda Up 47
16:45 - 17:00: Zelda Up 37
17:15 - 17:30: Zelda Up 47

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KamikazePotato | Posted 6/2/2009 2:19:40 PM | message detail
Gotta go - someone else keep the 15-minute updates going!

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/2/2009 2:25:11 PM | message detail
KP leaving has doomed Zelda
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/2/2009 2:25:13 PM | message detail
Slowed down eh. I'd imagine that means it loses. Unless it manages to take the SNV by more than the ASV
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/2/2009 2:30:16 PM | message detail
It's slowing down, but it's still pretty handily beating the necessary votes per update and it should at least hold its own in the SNV. This is shaping up to be the best match of the contest.
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/2/2009 2:32:21 PM | message detail
Mario 3 did the best last round against World with the SNV, I think. There's usually another big push starting around 6-6:30 with the ASV from the West Coast, so we'll see if Zelda can make a move here- SMW made some significant cuts the first hour of the ASV and couldn't do anything with the latter parts of it last round.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 2:32:41 PM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/2/2009 2:34:35 PM | message detail
He skipped 17:00-17:15
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 6/2/2009 2:35:21 PM | message detail
ouch, updates like that really hurt
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/2/2009 2:35:23 PM | message detail
But at that pace it wouldn't lead until around 9:30 to 10 PM. At that point the vote totals would have started trickling down. And if it doesn't win the night vote too it'll be all for naught
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/2/2009 2:35:31 PM | message detail
Yikes, I was wrong twice AND beaten to the punch. Nice job Leon.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/2/2009 2:41:33 PM | message detail
I think LoZ will take the night-vote, but I don't think it'll be decisively and you're right that there won't be as many votes cast during that time. LoZ's in a tough-yet-still-possible position...you know, for being in a very favorable match.
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syco_coaster | Posted 6/2/2009 2:45:58 PM | message detail
Zelda better not win; It'd be my first double red of the contest. First of many to come.....
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