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Yesmar | Posted 5/31/2009 1:33:14 PM | message detail
I would expect MGS to have a bad SNV actually due to Europe feeding its strength during the FNV. When compared to RE4 at least. How well have RE4 done in Europe this contest?
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Yesmar | Posted 5/31/2009 1:33:57 PM | message detail
*has
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/31/2009 1:34:56 PM | message detail
Apparently RE4 does about the same in Europe as the overall World unlike MGS3.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/31/2009 1:35:15 PM | message detail
Um... why are we talking about the second night vote at 4:30 PM?

SNV trends start showing up early on weekends.

Epic stall by MGS3
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/31/2009 1:35:55 PM | message detail
What kind of split would SSBB/LoZ:TP need to allow MGS4 to advance despite MGS3 anyway? You can't count on SSBB destroying LoZ:TP like it did to SMG. The two best matches for reference are probably RBY/LoZ:MM and SSBM/LoZ:WW, both of which were 65-35'ish...and LoZ:TP handily beats either LoZ game, though how SSBB compares to SSBM or RBY is more questionable (RBY > SSBB > SSBM?). Either way, LoZ:TP's a super-hyped multi-platform launch game from the site's biggest series that did well enough in the GotC-poll despite lots of Nintendo options, so I doubt SSBB does a ton of damage to it.

If LoZ:TP/SSBB go 60-40, what needs to happen with MGS3/4 for one of them to advance? If LoZ:TP/SSBB go 50-50, what needs to happen with MGS3/4 for one of them to advance?
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 5/31/2009 1:37:16 PM | message detail
MGS3 is only a little better in Europe as well. The first round number is inflated with Halo 2 there sucking.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/31/2009 1:37:47 PM | message detail
1 of them needs to completely leech off 1 another.

Though its very doubtful TP and Brawl go 50-50 or even 60-40. I just dont see that happening.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/31/2009 1:38:27 PM | message detail
For MGS4 to advance next round it needs either a heavy SFFd TP or to SFF MGS3 really hard.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/31/2009 1:40:27 PM | message detail

From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #207
1 of them needs to completely leech off 1 another.

Though its very doubtful TP and Brawl go 50-50 or even 60-40. I just dont see that happening.


You're expecting worse than 60/40?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/31/2009 1:40:42 PM | message detail
What kind of split would SSBB/LoZ:TP need to allow MGS4 to advance despite MGS3 anyway?

Either SSBB will have to SFF TP into nothingness or MGS4 has to do the same to MGS3.

Neither are likely.
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transience | Posted 5/31/2009 1:43:31 PM | message detail
Brawl/TP/RBY/Melee is a possible match thanks to this.

.....yeesh.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/31/2009 1:43:58 PM | message detail
Okay, I was wrong about RE4 winning by 1000. RE4 still looks pretty good here though, barring an MGS3 rally at the end. It held its ground against KH as we pushed into the afternoon and evening, and KH is even better there than earlier on in the day. MGS is also better in the afternoon/evening than the morning, but probably not by enough to stop RE4 from making its (slow) gains.

People giving next round to Brawl > TP are overreacting. Remember that RE4 got very close to TP last round, and Brawl/TP LFF is going to be heavy.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/31/2009 1:44:14 PM | message detail
...Not sure how that's a possible match unless you think they both eliminate OoT next round.

OoT/Melee/TP/Brawl is a possible match though.
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transience | Posted 5/31/2009 1:44:23 PM | message detail
wait, I have my divisions mixed up. we could get OOT/RBY/Brawl/TP instead! yay!
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PiGuy96 | Posted 5/31/2009 1:44:53 PM | message detail
I think you're missing an Ocarina!

Ocarina/Melee/Brawl/TP would be a weird match.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/31/2009 1:45:17 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #209
You're expecting worse than 60/40?


Short answer Yes.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/31/2009 1:45:30 PM | message detail
Remember that RE4 got very close to TP last round, and Brawl/TP LFF is going to be heavy.

Heavier than MGS4/MGS3 LFF?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/31/2009 1:45:54 PM | message detail

From: transience | #214
wait, I have my divisions mixed up. we could get OOT/RBY/Brawl/TP instead! yay!


oot > rby ftw
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/31/2009 1:46:05 PM | message detail
Oh no, that assumes RE4 wins here. If MGS3 holds on, Brawl > TP it is.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/31/2009 1:46:11 PM | message detail
also good showing by Oblivion.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/31/2009 1:46:13 PM | message detail
I'd like to see Brawl vs. Melee, though I don't want it at FFX's expense, so...Maybe next time!
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transience | Posted 5/31/2009 1:46:19 PM | message detail
to be fair, that match is more interesting than FFX being there - FFX advances with easy if it can beat SFF'd Melee and RBY.

that FFX/RBY match is massive. it determines everything on the bottom half.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/31/2009 1:46:51 PM | message detail
Oh no, that assumes RE4 wins here. If MGS3 holds on, Brawl > TP it is.

Well, everyone's talking about Brawl > TP assuming MGS3 advances.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/31/2009 1:47:24 PM | message detail
well re4 is gonna advance here it seems. Can't see any way MGS3 holds on at this point
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/31/2009 1:47:45 PM | message detail
...Where's Slow when you need him to call a match?
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/31/2009 1:48:37 PM | message detail
Ill call the match

Leon Kennedy gets his neck broken.
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Yesmar | Posted 5/31/2009 2:01:20 PM | message detail
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/31/2009 2:01:26 PM | message detail
Okay, I've finished every chart for the 2007 contest, and as a tribute, L-Block's last two matches!

Time | The Chief | Dante | L-Block | Snake | Demographic
EBV | 15.10% | 8.16% | 56.89% | 19.85% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 19.10% | 11.18% | 46.23% | 23.50% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 20.36% | 15.46% | 36.21% | 27.97% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 19.94% | 17.13% | 33.05% | 29.88% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 26.03% | 15.17% | 32.67% | 26.13% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 26.31% | 15.34% | 33.06% | 25.29% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 26.78% | 16.24% | 32.01% | 24.97% | (22:00-24:00)

Time | Link | Cloud | L-Block | Snake | Demographic
EBV | 21.36% | 15.41% | 54.99% | 8.23% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 24.93% | 19.07% | 45.40% | 10.60% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 27.12% | 23.85% | 36.38% | 12.65% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 31.29% | 26.48% | 28.40% | 13.83% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 31.60% | 24.46% | 31.91% | 12.03% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 30.67% | 25.48% | 31.57% | 12.28% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 29.21% | 26.23% | 31.93% | 12.63% | (22:00-24:00)


Aww yeah, L-Block. Do a chart for the bonus match, please. And once you get the time to, put up all of the trend charts on the Wiki (on a separate page for the 2007 trends).
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/31/2009 2:03:00 PM | message detail
By trends, I like RE4 to win this.

By outside factors...hard to bet against MGS in a close match.

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Yesmar | Posted 5/31/2009 2:03:00 PM | message detail
I have a chart I made for the Bonus Match at the time:


Time | L-Block | Paddle | Weighted Companion Cube | ? Block
01:00 | 35.93% | 07.97% | 24.56% | 31.55%
02:00 | 32.56% | 07.97% | 22.47% | 37.00%
03:00 | 31.59% | 07.31% | 23.23% | 37.87%
04:00 | 31.80% | 08.27% | 20.46% | 39.47%
05:00 | 33.09% | 08.56% | 20.37% | 37.99%
06:00 | 31.86% | 08.59% | 18.74% | 40.82%
07:00 | 32.46% | 08.49% | 17.89% | 41.16%
08:00 | 31.72% | 09.06% | 18.23% | 40.99%
09:00 | 30.30% | 08.33% | 18.31% | 43.06%
10:00 | 31.40% | 08.16% | 17.38% | 43.07%
11:00 | 29.05% | 08.26% | 19.29% | 43.41%
12:00 | 28.85% | 08.68% | 20.85% | 41.62%
13:00 | 28.41% | 08.97% | 18.88% | 43.74%
14:00 | 27.68% | 08.99% | 19.74% | 43.59%
15:00 | 27.71% | 09.25% | 18.14% | 44.90%
16:00 | 27.25% | 09.89% | 17.70% | 45.16%
17:00 | 26.99% | 10.57% | 18.29% | 44.16%
18:00 | 27.72% | 09.65% | 18.07% | 44.56%
19:00 | 27.46% | 09.81% | 17.30% | 45.44%
20:00 | 28.17% | 10.07% | 17.59% | 44.17%
21:00 | 28.29% | 10.13% | 17.09% | 44.49%
22:00 | 26.54% | 09.68% | 19.28% | 44.51%
23:00 | 27.53% | 09.52% | 18.71% | 44.24%
00:00 | 27.01% | 10.50% | 18.60% | 43.89%
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/31/2009 2:03:24 PM | message detail
17:00 | Metal Gear Solid 3 | 23202| +0302 | 50.16% | Resident Evil 4 | 23052| +0315| 49.84% | Lead of 150| (Down 013)

You know, when doing 15 minute update charts, I would simply omit the "0" from the "+0" part. It's quite unnecessary.
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paulg235 | Posted 5/31/2009 2:03:30 PM | message detail
MGS3 should be able to hang on for our annual Snake shenanigans.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/31/2009 2:04:10 PM | message detail
? Block is a day beast
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 5/31/2009 2:05:19 PM | message detail
I can only imagine the outrage if RE4 takes the lead, holds on until the final update and then MGS3 wins.
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consolefreak | Posted 5/31/2009 2:05:33 PM | message detail
Either SSBB will have to SFF TP into nothingness or MGS4 has to do the same to MGS3.

Neither are likely.


Or a moderate combination of both, which is pretty likely. SSBB > TP's the favourite, but MGS4 has some great odds there.

And RBY is not placing next round. FFX >>> MGS, and instead of FFVIII weighing MGS down there's Melee weighing (admittedly, not that much apparently) RBY down.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/31/2009 2:06:12 PM | message detail
And RBY is not placing next round. FFX >>> MGS, and instead of FFVIII weighing MGS down there's Melee weighing (admittedly, not that much apparently) RBY down.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/31/2009 2:08:05 PM | message detail
What bandwagon? I haven't seen it.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/31/2009 2:08:18 PM | message detail
MGS got 54% against FF8 last round. FFX does not >>> FF8. I'd be surprised if it was anything more than >=.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/31/2009 2:08:49 PM | message detail
To clarify, I'd be surprised if FFX was any more than >= in comparisan to MGS.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/31/2009 2:09:22 PM | message detail
I'd be surprised if it was anything more than >=.

You really think FFX/FFVIII is a toss-up? I'd be surprised if FFVIII was in contention to win such a match. Not to say it gets blown out, but it could easily 55/45 FFVIII.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/31/2009 2:10:01 PM | message detail
Make that FFX > MGS or FFX = MGS and you'd be more right. Or to put it another way, do you take KH to beat MGS? How about KH2? RE4? MGS3?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/31/2009 2:10:09 PM | message detail
To clarify, I'd be surprised if FFX was any more than >= in comparisan to MGS.

So you think MGS/SSBM would be a close match?

Hmmm...I don't see it.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/31/2009 2:11:16 PM | message detail
MGS strength should be enough to get the job done, though. If you replace the only poll option that was hindering MGS with another poll option that should hinder Pokemon more, I think MGS wins. It only needed to swing 2200.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/31/2009 2:11:22 PM | message detail
Considering I'd take RBY/Melee to be a close match...yes.

It does feel weird, but MGS hasn't given me reason to doubt it being that strong. 36% on OoT is no joke.

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red sox 777 | Posted 5/31/2009 2:12:41 PM | message detail
MGS2 did put up 44% on SSBM, so MGS having a close match with it shouldn't be out of the question. The SSBM we saw in 2004 and that we are dealing with now is not the uber-hyped monster that we saw glimpses of from 2006 to Brawl's release.
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consolefreak | Posted 5/31/2009 2:13:00 PM | message detail
There hasn't been a real indication of a bandwagon yet. But yeah, in that case it could place. Hold the match the first day of the contest, FFX wins without a doubt.

MGS got 54% against FF8 last round. FFX does not >>> FF8. I'd be surprised if it was anything more than >=.

It's funny because FFX was always thought to be >>>> FFVIII before this contest. Just because FFVIII looked impressive in its first round, people strayed from that thought. Now FFVIII turned out to be not that popular after all, and yet FFX only >= FFVIII?

Also, remove MGS from that match and add Melee, and FFVIII takes it second easily.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/31/2009 2:16:17 PM | message detail
FFX doesn't look that much stronger than MGS because it didn't beat KH very badly. We'll average the 2 rounds and call it about 54-46. KH2 narrowly lost to RE4, which is going even with MGS3 today. Unless you believe MGS3 is close to 1 or stronger than it, you can't really call FFX to be much stronger than MGS.
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consolefreak | Posted 5/31/2009 2:19:10 PM | message detail
FFX doesn't look that much stronger than MGS because it didn't beat KH very badly. We'll average the 2 rounds and call it about 54-46. KH2 narrowly lost to RE4, which is going even with MGS3 today. Unless you believe MGS3 is close to 1 or stronger than it, you can't really call FFX to be much stronger than MGS.

I can't really say that I think this match is fair game though. Resident Evil's fanbase is all over the place. I'd give RE4 about 54% on MGS3 1-1.

Anyway, FFX >> MGS is just common sense IMO. Right until proven otherwise.
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consolefreak | Posted 5/31/2009 2:21:25 PM | message detail
And the fundamental problem in your argument is that I'd much rather assume that FFX >> MGS than assume anything about the strengths of KH and KH2.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/31/2009 2:21:59 PM | message detail
Sounds like a baseless assumption based on personal expectations to me! I'd probably still take FFX over MGS, but wouldn't be confident in it at all.
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