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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 733

General_Zimbad | Posted 5/30/2009 4:00:29 AM | message detail
I just gotta say that the first three pics for this match are spectacular, honestly. They're probably the best I've seen all contest.

^ Agreed, The pictures are awesome this round.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/30/2009 4:21:08 AM | message detail
Dammit Metroid Prime. My FFX > Melee upset here would have been perfect had Prime not choked.
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consolefreak | Posted 5/30/2009 4:33:11 AM | message detail
I can't believe anyone is giving SSBM even the slightest chance of advancing next round, after this. FFX is currently getting 47.2%. Remove KH and it would probably be winning decently right now. FFX will look a lot worse in the end, but it's a toss-up 1-1 IMO.

Then you add RBY and OoT and SSBM has a chance? What the hell? How does that happen? RBY might finish second, but I think that's very unlikely.

Odds for second: FFX - 77%, RBY - 22%, SSBM - 1%.

And yes 1% is the slightest of chances, but whatever. Can't give it 0%.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/30/2009 5:10:01 AM | message detail
I'd give RBY more of a chance, but you have the right idea.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/30/2009 5:38:46 AM | message detail
Metal Gear Solid kept about 61.48% of its votes from last round, and about 58.22% of its votes from the round before. Something seems to have hurt it slightly; either Ocarina of Time or Final Fantasy VIII. Does MGS overlap with Nintendo now? That could explain its round two disappointment, too.

Pokemon Red/Blue kept about 84.04% of its votes from last round, and about 47.74% of its votes from the round before. Seems like nothing hurt it here, but it was somehow unable to regain even a decent portion of the votes from its first round. How did it get such a high total in the first round anyway?

Zelda: Ocarina of Time kept about 77.01% of its votes from last round, and about 69.25% of its votes from the round before. It's done a good job in this stuff all contest, but this seems to confirm that Pokemon is independent of traditional Nintendo (making the Metroid series look slightly better in the series contest, ho ho).

Final Fantasy VIII kept about 82.48% of its votes from last round, and about 43.21% of its votes from the round before. So it seems that it doesn't overlap much with MGS, but it did poorly in comparison to round 1. Huh

1. Final Fantasy VII
2. Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Zelda: A Link to the Past
4. Super Mario Bros.
5. The Legend of Zelda
6. Final Fantasy VI
7. Super Mario Bros. 3
8. Super Mario World
9. Super Mario 64
10. Pokemon Red/Blue
11. Chrono Trigger
12. Metal Gear Solid
13. Final Fantasy IV
14. Final Fantasy VIII
15. Super Metroid
16. GoldenEye
17. Tetris
18. Sonic the Hedgehog
19. Mega Man 2
20. Zelda: Link’s Awakening

Uh oh.
red sox 777 | Posted 5/30/2009 5:46:56 AM | message detail
Melee has this too. actually, their trends are almost identical. but I don't see anyone talking about a Melee bandwagon - the only difference there is that we're accustomed to Melee being a top 10 game whereas RBY is something most of us didn't consider, so we feel better writing it off to a bandwagon. I mean, the game put up 50%+ in round 1. that's not a bandwagon, that's strength.

Melee has always had those trends though. RBY did not in round 1- and its bandwagon has not started in earnest yet, whether or not it will start by next round.

FFX looks good now, after the night vote, when it actually cut 300 off of Melee's lead, but it probably won't look so good once SSBM and KH are through with the day vote. I'd guess Melee beats FFX with 53-54% 1v1. Diablo looks really bad.....I'd be willing to accept a last place factor argument for it, or WW just LFFed SSBM seriously. OOT should hurt Melee more than RBY- Melee is more "mainstream Nintendo," while Pokemon was a cultural phenomenon that extended well beyond gamers, much less Nintendo fans. I think Melee can stand up to SFF though, so it'll probably just be LFF, and OOT will look pretty bad.

I'm not sure if I'd side with RBY over SSBM 1v1 now, but it should have a pretty good advantage odds-wise next round due to OOT and the possibility of bandwagoning.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/30/2009 6:37:00 AM | message detail
I didn't notice this...

30 InsaneKelt 254 World of Warcraft
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/30/2009 6:54:59 AM | message detail
Current Leaderboard Champion Count:

Final Fantasy VII - 28
Ocarina of Time - 17
Super Mario Bros. 3 - 2
Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 1
Final Fantasy X - 1
World of Warcraft - 1
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/30/2009 7:46:38 AM | message detail
That was quite the nasty night vote for Melee.

Yeah, Melee is done next round. Remove Kingdom Hearts and FFX could be contending here. It wouldn't be winning, but it would be getting 48-49%. Then add in OoT...yeah, sorry Melee. It's down to RBY vs. FFX for all the marbles.

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charmander6000 | Posted 5/30/2009 7:56:17 AM | message detail
I've been thinking about OoT's performance...

MGS/GE who wins?

Remember MGS got 35% against OoT while GE got 33% on FFVII.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/30/2009 8:16:32 AM | message detail
I think FFVII is going to exceed its percentage from this round next round, and then go even higher the round after that. LTTP/SM64 is probably a bit stronger than SM64/GE (I'd expect a bit more overlap from Mario/Zelda than from Mario/GE, N64 LFF or not), and FFVI is a good deal weaker than CT. It should overlap more, but it will also be SFFed really hard probably, so that should add up to FFVII doing a little better in terms of absolute percentage. The round after that is FFVII vs. Nintendo, which would be the perfect time for voters to unleash the anger at Nintendo they've been holding the past year. Yes, it's all old Nintendo games, but that won't matter if it's seen as FFVII vs. Nintendo the company. Even if that doesn't pan out, FFVII should still go higher anyway than round 3 or round 4.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/30/2009 8:26:01 AM | message detail
SSBM by the hour:

1:00 | 56.49%
2:00 | 56.39%
3:00 | 53.42%
4:00 | 50.59%
5:00 | 48.93%
6:00 | 46.96%
7:00 | 47.02%
8:00 | 49.45%
9:00 | 53.68%
10:00 | 54.67%
11:00 | 57.46%
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transience | Posted 5/30/2009 8:39:23 AM | message detail
Melee day vote vs. KH day vote -- Melee wins. man, FF10 is going to fall so hard next round.
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Yesmar | Posted 5/30/2009 8:51:24 AM | message detail
I'd guess Melee beats FFX with 53-54% 1v1.

So it only does 1-2% better once you remove Kingdom Hearts?
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/30/2009 8:52:39 AM | message detail
Melee's going to end up around 56%, I think, so 2-3%. That seems about right looking at last round.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/30/2009 8:53:45 AM | message detail
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2770/r4supermarioworld.png

I suppose the argument could be made that SMW has the pic advantage as it's going to be the first to the finish. I say SMB3 should've thought of that before winning last round despite being the inferior game.

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GrapefruitKing | Posted 5/30/2009 8:59:33 AM | message detail
Link is like "wtf am I doing here"
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transience | Posted 5/30/2009 9:00:14 AM | message detail
I CAN'T JUMP HALP

Zelda 1 wins that match.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/30/2009 9:00:24 AM | message detail
Give them all a mushroom and it'll look great.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/30/2009 9:20:15 AM | message detail
Give them all a mushroom and Link looks even more hopelessly out of place than he already is!

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ZenOfThunder | Posted 5/30/2009 9:24:26 AM | message detail
Yeah, you could give them a mushroom if this were Zelda II, but we don't want Link looking any tinier than he already does.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/30/2009 9:25:29 AM | message detail
As long as you make Link as big as the other three I don't see a problem. Right now everyone looks too small IMO.
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creativename | Posted 5/30/2009 10:18:09 AM | message detail
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2770/r4supermarioworld.png

Freakin' awesome

Also I wholeheartedly concur that SMB3 is inferior to SMW!

IMO you also got the order of finish for the match right - SMW>SMB3>LoZ>SMB. The NES games (and maybe slight bandwagoning) should swing SMW's small deficit into a win. Which will be...glorious.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/images/bge09/bge09-55-4.jpg

^Anybody know what this thing is supposed to be?? Looks pretty bad to me.

Melee has this too. actually, their trends are almost identical. but I don't see anyone talking about a Melee bandwagon - the only difference there is that we're accustomed to Melee being a top 10 game whereas RBY is something most of us didn't consider, so we feel better writing it off to a bandwagon. I mean, the game put up 50%+ in round 1. that's not a bandwagon, that's strength.

I was saying RBY had bandwagon potential, not that it had already formed (though I think it's got a small one maybe, not that it needed it to beat MGS)

And even moderate bandwagons can be pretty big in swinging matches - losing the board vote is a big handicap. That's one reason why I think FF7 could be in trouble vs. Ocarina in a hypothetical neutral 4way match even if it was the stronger game (in this bracket I think it'll just come to their opponents; if FFX makes then it probably comes down to whoever SFFs their company siblings hardest, if FFX doesn't then FF7 should be automatic)

If's funny too - remember people used to talk about stuff like anti-votes meaning less in this format way back in the day, yet actually they seem to mean a ton more. 1v1 FF7 anti-votes would be diluted, yet the early hour FF7 hatred/anti-votes are exaggerated in this format due to the lower vote totals for the winners, and against actual competition can kill FF7 - like in Cloud vs. Snake, where Cloud wins the match except for the incredible 2000+ early hour vote deficit.
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creativename | Posted 5/30/2009 10:20:46 AM | message detail
As long as you make Link as big as the other three I don't see a problem. Right now everyone looks too small IMO.

Hmm true, they do look a bit small. It's the proper SMB scale though.

Maybe some artificial biggingness wouldn't be a bad idea. But, it could also look really weird. Perhaps super mushroom SMB Mario could be used, with the others being made larger as well?
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/30/2009 10:26:44 AM | message detail
Predicting the next match:

You know what, The Biggest. Game. Ever. and Gaming's. Biggest. Rollercoaster. Ride. are going to win this easily. According to first round votals Kingdom Hearts 2 > Metal Gear Solid 3 and Half-Life 2 > Obliivion. MGS3 however managed a higher vote total in round 2 than both TP and RE4, but its competition here is more like what it faced in round 1 as opposed to round 2 (well, it's facing a Capcom Action Adventure for the PS2, at least!). So Twilight Princess wins out because its the only "kiddy" choice here, and the question is Metal Gear Solid 3 vs. Resident Evil 4. Well, MGS3 has the name value, but not by much, and MGS3 ought to share more votes with Twilight Princess. That is all there is to say. When I get older I'm going to catch up on all of the mature stuff that my parents don't allow me to own right now, so hopefully I'll get to play RE4, HL2, and MGS games when I'm older. For now though, I've only got YouTube walkthroughs.

Prediction: Zelda: Twilight Princess > Resident Evil 4
Metal Gear Solid 3 - 23%, Oblivion - 20%, Zelda: Twilight Princess - 30%, Resident Evil 4 - 27%
Bracket: Resident Evil 4 > Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (wow I suck)
Favorites: Resident Evil 4 > Metal Gear Solid 3
Favorites Bracket: Resident Evil 4 > Half-Life 2
KamikazePotato | Posted 5/30/2009 10:30:49 AM | message detail
I'd rather have all the sprites scales match up than have any artificial bigness. Just personal preference, I suppose.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6417/r4supermarioworld2.png

I really tried to showcase how Nintendo's storytelling abilities have evolved over the years.

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red sox 777 | Posted 5/30/2009 10:30:51 AM | message detail
If's funny too - remember people used to talk about stuff like anti-votes meaning less in this format way back in the day, yet actually they seem to mean a ton more. 1v1 FF7 anti-votes would be diluted, yet the early hour FF7 hatred/anti-votes are exaggerated in this format due to the lower vote totals for the winners, and against actual competition can kill FF7 - like in Cloud vs. Snake, where Cloud wins the match except for the incredible 2000+ early hour vote deficit.

I suppose, in 1v1, people who anti-vote FF7 like the other game more than FF7 anyway. Here, anti-voters all rally around the game they think has the best shot of beating FF7 instead of voting for their favorite game. Anti-voting probably does mean less in the early rounds though, until large numbers of people start to pay close attention to the contest.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 5/30/2009 10:33:15 AM | message detail
http://img.imgcake.com/Zen/charles_atlas.jpg

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Zen being bored

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Bacon being insane

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red sox 777 | Posted 5/30/2009 10:34:30 AM | message detail
About Sephiroth- we've seen Cloud put up higher and higher margins on him every year. Does anyone think he's actually gotten weaker relative to Cloud, and not just in SFF ability? It would make sense- Sephiroth seems more and more of a walking cliche every year, even if he makes fire awesome, while Cloud actually has some depth.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 5/30/2009 10:34:59 AM | message detail
oh and one day I'll explain my thought process for that pic

it was actually centered around "I gotta put 8.8 in a pic"
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 5/30/2009 10:46:02 AM | message detail
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5519/sonypspgosmall5547046.jpg

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/30/2009 10:59:34 AM | message detail
3 straight cuts for KH, totallying 40 votes

I wonder how much it can cut during the day
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creativename | Posted 5/30/2009 11:07:46 AM | message detail
My cell phone sucks at internet and checking poll results takes ages because I have to scroll down so much. Last night was the last straw! So I made a new page that shows the latest poll results in very basic format, with a link to the 15-minute graph:

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/poll.php


I suppose, in 1v1, people who anti-vote FF7 like the other game more than FF7 anyway. Here, anti-voters all rally around the game they think has the best shot of beating FF7 instead of voting for their favorite game.

I think every game is way stronger relative to FF7 early, not just whichever game (or character) has the best shot of winning.

Anti-voting probably does mean less in the early rounds though, until large numbers of people start to pay close attention to the contest.

Not for FF7 I think, FF7 sucks horribly at the early vote every round.
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transience | Posted 5/30/2009 11:09:46 AM | message detail
whoa, that's amazing creative. I hate checking this stuff on my ipod because the pages are so huge - bookmarked!

my only request would be if there's a way to see the last 15 minute update along with that.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/30/2009 11:10:45 AM | message detail
Melee won the morning- now KH should take the afternoon. Whose day vote reigns supreme? Find out in a few hours!

SSBM by the hour against Kingdom Hearts:

1:00 | 62.56%
2:00 | 61.45%
3:00 | 59.59%
4:00 | 58.61%
5:00 | 59.80%
6:00 | 62.88%
7:00 | 58.32%
8:00 | 57.18%
9:00 | 63.86%
10:00 | 59.39%
11:00 | 62.21%
12:00 | 61.95%
13:00 | 60.03%
14:00 | 59.29%
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/30/2009 11:11:20 AM | message detail
*bookmarks to cell phone*

Thank you, creative.

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Big Bob | Posted 5/30/2009 11:14:37 AM | message detail
I didn't realize GameFAQs polls were so urgent that it requires you to be able to check them anytime, anywhere.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/30/2009 11:18:01 AM | message detail

From: Big Bob | #437
I didn't realize GameFAQs polls were so urgent that it requires you to be able to check them anytime, anywhere.


for the stats topic they are!
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/30/2009 11:21:43 AM | message detail
Considering we've made over 366,000 posts in this topic over the past 7 years (we're a little over 1 post every 10 minutes, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year), it's not really surprising at all!
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 5/30/2009 11:30:09 AM | message detail
whoa that's awesome creative

I don't think I'll ever use it unless I'm out at midnight and curious how the poll started but still very handy
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 5/30/2009 12:29:49 PM | message detail
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creativename | Posted 5/30/2009 12:38:19 PM | message detail
my only request would be if there's a way to see the last 15 minute update along with that.

Well that was just something I whipped up, it doesn't check the updates table, it just grabs the stuff straight from the poll results page.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/30/2009 1:03:38 PM | message detail
Zen, remove Solid's bit of text beside him and you've got a winner.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/30/2009 1:11:21 PM | message detail
I'd rather have all the sprites scales match up than have any artificial bigness. Just personal preference, I suppose.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6417/r4supermarioworld2.png

I really tried to showcase how Nintendo's storytelling abilities have evolved over the years.


Awesome!
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 5/30/2009 1:16:45 PM | message detail
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6417/r4supermarioworld2.png

Looks good. Big Mario might work better in the first picture since you used Big Mario in the other two Mario pics.

http://img.imgcake.com/Zen/2004-2009.png

Same opinion as HaRRicH. Ditch the text on Snake and it looks good.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/30/2009 1:25:03 PM | message detail
Hmmm...FFX looks like it's gonna finish about 45% on Melee, and SSBM's day vote appears to reign supreme. KH can barely do anything to FFX this time around because of Melee's presence.

It's strange how Melee might be the strongest of the bunch out of FFX/SSBM/RBY, but it has the least chance of placing, in my opinion.

Both of KP's pics for the Mario 1/Zelda/Mario 3/SMW match are really cool. I like 'em.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/30/2009 1:26:54 PM | message detail
So who are we thinking is the favorite for the OoT/RBY/SSBM/FFX match is now?
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Janus5000 | Posted 5/30/2009 1:28:16 PM | message detail
There are three Brawl characters in that pic. Stop being biased.

In all seriousness, that looks really good. I like the bit of text, too.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/30/2009 1:32:06 PM | message detail
I'd still give the nod to FFX as a slight favorite. I guess it depends on how much stronger than MGS you think FFX is.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/30/2009 1:37:23 PM | message detail
Note that FFX is getting 56.29% on KH presently after 53.16% last round.
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