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Well, GSC and MM should have hurt Pokemon a lot more than YI hurt Mario 64. I was actually amazed that RBY did so well dispute GSC pulling in a great percentage, because you know a vast majority of those GSC votes would have gone to RBY otherwise (Pokemon is just that kinda series). After two rounds, I do think that Pokemon with a good match picture is stronger than either MGS or FFVIII (in this format, anyway), so I see it being all up to OoT. If it does what it's known for, everything should be fine, but I take one glance at the Pokemon fans and I get scared. There's a weird look in their eyes, like whoa man don't drink the water in their town.
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Pokemon only got 44ish on MGS, but it did that with G/S holding it down - I think it's more damning that it only ended up with 58 on G/S directly, which doesn't look great whether you spin it through SFF or lack of SFF (if R/B/Y isn't even beloved enough to beat down its little brother with SFF, what chance does it stand at holding up to OoT?).

If it does rebound (or even if it doesn't, MGS is still a force in its own right), I wouldn't give FF8 a free pass either. FF8+FF9 didn't look that great against OoT, and even using StarCraft and FF8's first round match isn't terribly impressive due to SC's massive bomb in the OoT match.
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I could see it being 20/20/20/40 all day.
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dispute = despite

Ulti you've cursed me.
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Tonight, FFVIII and MGS are in Mario/GE's shoes, Ocarina is FFVII, and Pokemon is CT, which came a lot closer to winning than I thought plausible.

I don't think the correlation is there. We had plenty of reason to believe CT would stand up to FFVII. I'll believe RBY stands up to OoT when I see it.
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MGS1 gets worse with age, which also hurts it. RPGs age like a fine wine, action games age like bread and milk.
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Yeah that explains why CT is beating down Mario 64 worse than ever - whoops my finger slipped on the ignore button
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MGS1 hasn't aged any worse than other games from that era, though it's probably the 'weakest' game in tomorrow's match, ignoring the SFF between OoT / Pokemon.

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we have plenty of reason to believe RBY stands out to OOT as well. you can start with "Pokemon hasn't had trouble with Nintendo in the past", move on to "OOT and RBY don't share the same console" and finish it off with "OOT and RBY are two entirely different kinds of games".
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Did I mention platformers? Didn't think so.
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"OOT and RBY are two entirely different kinds of games".

they're both rpgs
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and FF8 has aged worse than MGS. that game is like FF7 but without the charm of lego characters.
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FFVIII hasn't aged poorly at all. It's held up better than FFVII, even if it's not as good.

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FF8 holding up better then FF7? uhh no. Its polygonal graphics are such a pain on the eyes these days, but FF7s simple lego graphics have held up better. To me at least.
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doesn't look much better to me!

best screenshot ever btw
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RPGs in general age well because the quality of the game is in it's story. MGS had a fantastic story, but the gameplay is what made it successful. Now, MGS1 plays like a crippled lemur. That's all I'm saying.
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it took me a couple seconds to realize Squall was even in this picture
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we have plenty of reason to believe RBY stands out to OOT as well. you can start with "Pokemon hasn't had trouble with Nintendo in the past", move on to "OOT and RBY don't share the same console" and finish it off with "OOT and RBY are two entirely different kinds of games".

RBY is likely to get less than 55% on MGS, it could avoid SFF and the LFF would still kill it.
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The hell did this lego defense force come from !

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One doesn't look much worse than the other. The only reason you could say FFVII holds up better is because FFVIII went for realistic proportions, which improved with time, but MGS1 is the same way.

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Bless you PS1 grafix
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"Pokemon hasn't had trouble with Nintendo in the past"

Pikachu hasn't, but I think Pikachu has the benefit of getting a large portion of his strength from Smash Bros. I don't know if Pokemon standing up to Metroid really proves anything to me because Metroid is infamous for its inability to SFF anything.

Honestly, Zelda vs. Pokemon in the Series Contest: How does it go?

and FF8 has aged worse than MGS. that game is like FF7 but without the charm of lego characters.

FFVIII is as playable as it ever was (Now some people would argue it was unplayable from the beginning, but to each his own). MGS's gameplay is way outdated and awkward.

Now, the FFVIII field models don't look that great, but the backgrounds still look great and the FMVs still look great, too.
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The way I figure it, the difference between being hurt by GS + MM and being hurt by nothing is only 60-40 or so. OOT just has to hurt RBY half as much as GS + MM, and it still loses to MGS. If you believe FFVIII is a bit stronger than MGS, it becomes that much harder for RBY.
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Though to be fair the last screenshot I posted was from the PC version of FF7 which had higher res options
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well, I don't think this matters at all. I was just responding to a point about MGS not aging well (which is wrong; both have aged poorly.)

but yeah, people aren't voting for FF7 based on 2009 expectations. it gets votes on nostalgia and what it was like at the time; same with Ocarina of TIme.
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Yep, I'd agree. How well or poorly games have aged doesn't make much difference, since people don't vote based on that, anyway -- otherwise, Goldeneye wouldn't have gotten as far as it has!

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Wow, Chrono Trigger keeping it somewhat close. Could we see another photo finish?
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Honestly, Zelda vs. Pokemon in the Series Contest: How does it go?

better than Metroid, I'll tell you that much.

Pokemon wouldn't break 25%, but not much would. Zelda is a monster.
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SM64 is finally slowing down a bit here. Not enough though, its lead is already over 600 and it still has another 2 and a half hours to pad it.
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The way I figure it, the difference between being hurt by GS + MM and being hurt by nothing is only 60-40 or so. OOT just has to hurt RBY half as much as GS + MM, and it still loses to MGS. If you believe FFVIII is a bit stronger than MGS, it becomes that much harder for RBY.

RBY 58.12/41.88 GS
MGS 53.33/46.67 GS
RBY gets 55.13% on MGS

Of course RBY could have SFF GS a bit while FFT may have hurt MGS (not likely), add that to OoT SFF/LFF and I don't see it advancing and if it did just barely.
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CT cuts Mario 64! It's over Mario, the night vote starts now!
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better than Metroid, I'll tell you that much.

Probably. Does it break 20% though? That's what MMX got.
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Multiple pics all of a sudden?

And I think I see MGS2 Snake!
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multiple pics?
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Can't say I'm a big fan of any of those, but ah well.

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I'd say yeah. the top game is likely stronger than Metal Gear Solid and the second game got 47% on it. Pokemon vs. MGS should be the debate, but I imagine most would side with MGS.
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thats my fav
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If FF7 ~= LoZ:OoT and SM64 ~= RBY, LoZ:OoT's probably going to hurt RBY pretty bad. We saw what LoZ:OoT's done to SM64 before and this comparison puts RBY around 35% on LoZ:OoT. Then again, we've seen both Pikachu and Mewtwo hold up decently in SFF-situations in past years and RBY is a harder fanbase to reach into and hurt than SM64.

I still have to trust LoZ:OoT to hurt it bad though, and FF8 doesn't do it any favors when fighting for RPG-votes. All this, and it's still not promised it'll overturn the 56-44 beating MGS gave it in R2. I'm cool with RBY being in the Top Ten, but it's going to take more than that to advance unless it's quite more resilient to SFF than its past two rounds indicated.
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Let's analyze this

1: Huge, huge Pokemon advantage.
2: Pretty even. Maybe slight Pokemon advantage because Pika stands out?
3: Even except for FF8. What's going on in that thing.
4: Even.

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Oh, and Squall's only 5'8" by the way.

Can't believe I didn't notice that sooner!
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I'd say yeah. the top game is likely stronger than Metal Gear Solid and the second game got 47% on it. Pokemon vs. MGS should be the debate, but I imagine most would side with MGS.

MGS beat KH with 58% of the vote. How much do you think MGS1 beats KH1 or 2 with?

Heck, it'd probably only get 60% or so on Castlevania. What does it get on SOTN?
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Considering I completely made up the measurements for everyone, I'd say I was pretty close!

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Uh.....major picture advantage for Pokemon. I wonder if Snake will be helped by being the tallest one in the pic though.
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Man you know Leonhart is a diehard FF8 fan if he knows the characters measurements

hey whats Rinoas bra size
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3: Even except for FF8. What's going on in that thing.

Bloody Squall.
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alright, I'm done with Series arguments. I can't even begin to untangle that web.

MGS1 probably struggles with KH1 unless you think it beats FFX.
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