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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 730

ExquisiteSamurai | Posted 5/27/2009 11:38:34 PM | message detail
I still believe LttP will take first next round.. I believed it when i saw the bracket the first time and i still do now! .. I just don't see FFVII taking first next round with FFVI and Chrono Trigger(if it makes it)

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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 11:38:42 PM | message detail
After this show by FFVII.....I think not. By the way, it looks like SM64 is SFFing Goldeneye a fair amount, as it's doing much worse against FFVII now, despite this poll being 2 Square games and 2 Nintendo games, while the last was 1 Square game and 3 Nintendo games.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 11:39:53 PM | message detail
The way I see it, CT really doesn't bother FFVII that much because the overlap is not that large, and FFVI is going to get slaughtered.
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Meeks54 | Posted 5/27/2009 11:39:54 PM | message detail
No, I think this more or less confirms what I said before the contest. There is no game on Earth, no matter what the SFF that will ever beat FF VII or OoT in a poll here, unless it is each other. 2 Nintendo/Square games dragging down the other while going against the second strongest Nintendo/Square game, and they will still win every time. Such completely different animals.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 11:42:16 PM | message detail
42 vote gain to push us over 400, and CT gains percentage too that time.
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ExquisiteSamurai | Posted 5/27/2009 11:42:20 PM | message detail
But i also believe LttP to be quite a beast itself .. <.<

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Janus5000 | Posted 5/27/2009 11:42:30 PM | message detail
Buh.

Goldeneye cut.

More updates like that SM64 plz
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ExquisiteSamurai | Posted 5/27/2009 11:43:35 PM | message detail
SM64 just completely died that updated ..

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/27/2009 11:44:25 PM | message detail
With competition like this Mario 64 is going to have one hell of a day vote
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/27/2009 11:45:12 PM | message detail
And I guess the important thing here is how Chrono Trigger does with the during school vote hours. If it doesn't make any lead progress there it loses by default
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/27/2009 11:47:58 PM | message detail
If it wants a 1500 vote lead by morning (6:00), Chrono Trigger needs to gain 27.61 votes per update.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 11:49:22 PM | message detail
1500 by morning isn't happening, but CT doesn't need it, not with FFVII taking up over 40% of the votes by 6 AM. I'll feel fairly good about it with 1000 by 6 AM.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/27/2009 11:49:50 PM | message detail
Well obviously there's no way it gets that before morning. It's only hope is to build one combining the night and the 10:00-15:00 hours. Hence why not doing anything there would mean auto-lose
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/27/2009 11:50:22 PM | message detail
I like how everyone in the stats topic is rooting for CT. This performance by FFVII is also more impressive than anything OoT has done thus far.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/27/2009 11:51:01 PM | message detail
Like ten, no, FIFTEEN times more impressive.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/27/2009 11:51:25 PM | message detail
Aw yeah, GoldenEye cut Mario 64 a little bit ago.
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Janus5000 | Posted 5/27/2009 11:52:23 PM | message detail
Considering CT's track record in 4-ways, I'd say it needs at least 1500 before the ASV in order to make me feel remotely confident. Some higher power going OM NOM NOM PERCENTAGE didn't stop Axel from coming back from more than that, nor did it stop (augh) Sandbag.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 11:53:25 PM | message detail
I think its safe to say its going to get 1000 before morning. I just hope it can hold on enough in the morning to keep at least 500 then build it back up during the day
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/27/2009 11:54:14 PM | message detail
And with the pure imbalance here with Mario 64 and the other games being nowhere near its ASV potential, I don't even know if 1500 would be enough
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/27/2009 11:54:58 PM | message detail
To be fair, the last few days have been nothing but Nintendo dominance and the greater vast majority ascertained that this is bull**** and decided to stick it to Nintendo
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/27/2009 11:55:06 PM | message detail
Yeah, but as good as Mario's day vote is, it's not as good as SSB's or KH's. And CT's day vote isn't as bad as Frog's or Magus's.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 11:55:12 PM | message detail
SM64's day vote is not nearly as strong as that of KH or Smash, and CT's isn't as bad as Frog's or Magus's. 1500 would be safe, 1000 at 3 PM would be winnable even, but Mario would be the favorite in that case.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/27/2009 11:56:08 PM | message detail
Hey we saw Paper Mario cream KH with the ASV. You never know
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 11:56:27 PM | message detail
Remember when SMB3 only gained like 1% against CT during the day?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 11:56:47 PM | message detail
...wtf
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 11:57:36 PM | message detail
Well, CT only lost 3% to Mario with the day last round. Crono lost more to Sonic, Bowser, and Auron, among others.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/27/2009 11:58:12 PM | message detail
Three hours into the poll, CT's lead was 404 and it had 51.20% on Mario 64. It peaked at 6:15 A.M. at 645.

Right now, CT leads by 432 and it has 51.88% on Mario 64.

Not much difference.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 11:58:30 PM | message detail
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Crono_vs_Mario_2004

Remember the good ol' days of CT?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/27/2009 11:58:50 PM | message detail
Hey we saw Paper Mario cream KH with the ASV. You never know

Kingdom Hearts made sizable gains with the ASV in that match, too, last I checked.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 11:58:59 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #127
Three hours into the poll, CT's lead was 404 and it had 51.20% on Mario 64. It peaked at 6:15 A.M. at 645.

Right now, CT leads by 432 and it has 51.88% on Mario 64.

Not much difference.


much lower percentages. the lead here it has is a much bigger deal
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 11:59:50 PM | message detail
Bad update, but we always get a fair share of those every match. CT is still doing about 1% better this hour than last round, pending the final update.
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deadeyedllv | Posted 5/28/2009 12:00:01 AM | message detail
Mario cut. Uh oh.
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/28/2009 12:00:33 AM | message detail
Three hours into the poll, CT's lead was 404 and it had 51.20% on Mario 64. It peaked at 6:15 A.M. at 645.

Right now, CT leads by 432 and it has 51.88% on Mario 64.

Not much difference.



Wrong. There is a huge difference. CT has the same lead at 20%. Last round these games had 40%. 40% is greater than 20%.


What's happening here is FFVII and CT are working together. FFVII is cutting off all the oxygen for the rest of the games. SM64 cannot swing what it did last round because FFVII is obstructing it's path.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/28/2009 12:00:42 AM | message detail
Well % comparisons take into account how much of a "bigger deal" it is. 51.88% Vs. 51.20% isn't really that much of a difference. Especially considering Mario 64 won by 4% in the end
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/28/2009 12:00:51 AM | message detail
That was Mario 64's best update since 20 minutes into the match. Probably an anomaly.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/28/2009 12:01:36 AM | message detail
Yep, Mario 64 back down to where it was before.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/28/2009 12:02:38 AM | message detail
The difference between 51.20% and 51.88% actually accounts for more than 1/3 of Mario's final winning margin last round. You also have to remember that 25 minutes in, CT was doing way worse than last round. That early vote hasn't melted away yet.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/28/2009 12:04:59 AM | message detail
That's true. CT has gained 582 votes on Mario 64 in 2 and a half hours. In five hours total, that'd be over 1000. CT won't keep up that pace though because of dead hours and Europe, but hey.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/28/2009 12:05:18 AM | message detail
Time | Last Round | This Round

1:00 | 50.22% | 50.51%
2:00 | 51.56% | 52.86%
3:00 | 52.64% | 53.61%

Projection: Super Mario 64 wins with 51.09%.

The projection is declining a bit too slowly for my liking.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 5/28/2009 12:06:01 AM | message detail
To be fair, the last few days have been nothing but Nintendo dominance and the greater vast majority ascertained that this is bull**** and decided to stick it to Nintendo

It's frequently overlooked that we only have results that support Nintendo dominance because that same vast majority prefers Nintendo games in general. Otherwise they wouldn't vote for it. And there would not be Nintendo dominance. That and outside people do not care about these contests as much as we do, barring the anomalous exceptions.




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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/28/2009 12:06:11 AM | message detail
CT is done. Night
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voltch | Posted 5/28/2009 12:06:15 AM | message detail
unless europe backs VII and removes 64's votes from that section,but SM64 likely has this.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/28/2009 12:06:29 AM | message detail
It's like you guys are ^5ing with every post... oh hey, don't mind me - I'm just thinking up ways to spin this for LttP!
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/28/2009 12:07:07 AM | message detail
Yeah, no way does FFVII lose to Lttp even if CT and FFVI are there. Hell, throw in FFX and FFVIII and FFX too. FFVII still wins
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/28/2009 12:07:23 AM | message detail
CT's lead at 3 last time was 400. This time, it's 450.

But like I've said, last round was a much better position for Mario 64 than this one. 400 on a ready to charge Mario isn't as good as 450 on a clearly weakened Mario. Chrono Trigger is much happier with Goldeneye sucking Mario down and FF7 dominating than it is fighting with Mario 64 for first place. Mario's day vote will get weakened quite a lot by the monster day vote FF7 also has, and the same also works for CT's bad day vote. It might not be so bad when FF7 is there killing everything (side note: nice to say this, welcome back to the table FF7), and Mario 64 also has Goldeneye to worry about. This is a much better spot for CT to be in, and it's performing as such.

Is Mario 64 still the clear favorite given its day vote last time? Unquestionably. But there was literally nothing in Mario's way last time; now it has Goldeneye leeching it and FF7's day vote to deal with. Chrono is in a realistic place to win, but we have to see how the morning goes yet. I'm liking CT's chances a lot more now than I was two hours ago, I'll say that much.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/28/2009 12:09:48 AM | message detail

From: hochiminhX | Posted: 5/28/2009 3:00:33 AM | #133
Three hours into the poll, CT's lead was 404 and it had 51.20% on Mario 64. It peaked at 6:15 A.M. at 645.

Right now, CT leads by 432 and it has 51.88% on Mario 64.

Not much difference.



Wrong. There is a huge difference. CT has the same lead at 20%. Last round these games had 40%. 40% is greater than 20%.


What's happening here is FFVII and CT are working together. FFVII is cutting off all the oxygen for the rest of the games. SM64 cannot swing what it did last round because FFVII is obstructing it's path.


Or you could be awesome and put it this way. Can I just have your babies now and get it over with? =p
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/28/2009 12:10:10 AM | message detail
FF7's monstrous day vote? It's actually pretty bad
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/28/2009 12:10:15 AM | message detail
If FFVII's ASV is what it's been the first two rounds, it won't be as dominant as this. I don't know what has happened to this game's ASV in the last year or so. The fact that FFVII lost its ASV dominance was basically why Crono beat Vincent last year. That was when Vincent crushed Crono in 2007.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/28/2009 12:11:58 AM | message detail
FFVII has dropped off about 4% in the ASV on average compared to what it got in the DSV both rounds, so yeah.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/28/2009 12:12:15 AM | message detail

From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 5/28/2009 3:10:10 AM | #147
FF7's monstrous day vote? It's actually pretty bad


Really? I recall FF7, Cloud and Sephiroth always starting bad, then rising to heaven all match. But you guys know more about recent trends than I do, so I'll take your word on it.
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