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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 730

Meeks54 | Posted 5/27/2009 9:16:43 PM | message detail
Chrono FRIGGEN Trigger


BELIEVE!!!


~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
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~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
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~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
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~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
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~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/27/2009 9:17:04 PM | message detail
Disappointed you didn't put "..."
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/27/2009 9:21:41 PM | message detail
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/27/2009 9:22:02 PM | message detail
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:09:57 PM | message detail
And now the Masamune! Forthwith I shall slay Mario and restore honor!
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Silverflash-x | Posted 5/27/2009 10:10:55 PM | message detail
They stayed practically equal that update. D:
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creativename | Posted 5/27/2009 10:17:41 PM | message detail
Don't think Chrono Trigger will pull this off, but it's possible.

While I'd be rooting for Chrono Trigger anyway, I'd actually be happier for red sox than anything else if Chrono Trigger won this :)
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Janus5000 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:17:58 PM | message detail
attn ffvii

stop hogging the square votes
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/27/2009 10:18:36 PM | message detail
Mario 64 top ten

>>>Yes
>>>No

Mario 64 strongest Mario game

>>>Yes
>>>No
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/27/2009 10:19:08 PM | message detail
Yes
No
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Silverflash-x | Posted 5/27/2009 10:19:10 PM | message detail
He didn't get a big enough update...

If this is what we're getting coming out of power hour, I'm not liking the looks of it...
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:19:29 PM | message detail
Thanks creative. I really shouldn't let CT matches mean more to me than the rest of the contest combined, but it's gotten to that point these years.....it's the same as with the Red Sox, actually. Something about losing in the most heartbreaking ways possible draws me to things to root for.
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SlikRick | Posted 5/27/2009 10:19:36 PM | message detail
CT up about 120 votes over Mario. Good Stuff.

So how many votes does the ASV usually generate?
Silverflash-x | Posted 5/27/2009 10:19:50 PM | message detail
I dunno about Top 10, but SMB3 and SMW are both stronger Mario's, I think.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:19:54 PM | message detail
Well here's hoping to CT getting revenge on Mario for last rounds dominance.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 10:20:01 PM | message detail

From: Silverflash-x | #011
He didn't get a big enough update...

If this is what we're getting coming out of power hour, I'm not liking the looks of it...


If we're getting updates like this past 2 AM, then CT is in trouble. Right now still has close to power hour trends.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 10:20:37 PM | message detail
Though CT being cut doesn't give me alot of confidence.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:21:02 PM | message detail
Thanks creative. I really shouldn't let CT matches mean more to me than the rest of the contest combined, but it's gotten to that point these years.....it's the same as with the Red Sox, actually. Something about losing in the most heartbreaking ways possible draws me to things to root for.


As a staunch Yankees fan, I'm all the more strengthened in my Mario support.

STALL STALL STALL.

a one vote cut.

die crono. die.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:21:02 PM | message detail
FFVII is rising now, and CT's not rising very fast. Patience, we're still close to the early vote.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/27/2009 10:21:07 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | LOZ: LTTP | S. Metroid | FFVI | LOZ: LA | Demographic
EBV | 37.43% | 18.51% | 31.82% | 12.23% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 38.49% | 18.00% | 31.37% | 12.15% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 36.80% | 15.99% | 34.28% | 12.93% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 36.91% | 15.97% | 33.87% | 13.25% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 39.14% | 15.95% | 32.41% | 12.51% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 39.24% | 16.98% | 30.07% | 13.72% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 38.14% | 16.31% | 32.98% | 12.57% | (22:00-24:00)

LTTP good Power Hour, bad night vote, great day vote. FFVI bad Power Hour, great night vote, awful day vote. Super Metroid great Power Hour, bad night vote, good day vote. Link's Awakening pretty balanced all around but more of a day game.

Yesterday's stats:

A Link to the Past – 50.00%
Final Fantasy VI – 45.53%
Super Metroid – 30.06%
Link’s Awakening – 25.34%

Division Stats

A Link to the Past – 50.00%
Final Fantasy VI – 45.53%
Link’s Awakening (Round 2) – 41.79%
Link’s Awakening (Round 1) – 39.98%
Mega Man X – 34.68%
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 – 30.91%
Super Metroid (Round 3) – 30.06%
Mortal Kombat II (Round 1) – 27.60%
Super Metroid (Round 2) – 27.22%
Super Mario Kart – 27.17%
The Secret of Mana – 25.42%
Link’s Awakening (Round 3) – 25.34%
Donkey Kong Country (Round 1) – 24.26%
Doom (Round 1) – 23.77%
Mortal Kombat II (Round 2) – 22.66%
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 – 22.20%
Donkey Kong Country (Round 2) – 18.93%
Doom (Round 2) – 18.55%
Streets of Rage II (Round 1) – 12.74%
Streets of Rage II (Round 2) – 9.94%
Shining Force II – 9.16%
Phantasy Star IV – 8.21%
Gunstar Heroes – 7.06%
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Mr3790 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:21:07 PM | message detail
CT will not win this!

...me saying this will mean it will NOT come true.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:22:14 PM | message detail
Leon, I love those time slot breakdowns, but I've never actually figured out what all of them mean, could you break it down?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/27/2009 10:22:21 PM | message detail
CT's just fallen off the last few updates. Mario 64's still doing about the same.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:22:33 PM | message detail
Hey, I've made my peace with the Yankees since 2004. Hard to hate them now, even if I wanted to (hopefully this doesn't get my lynched by the rest of Red Sox Nation).
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 10:23:16 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #024
Hey, I've made my peace with the Yankees since 2004. Hard to hate them now, even if I wanted to (hopefully this doesn't get my lynched by the rest of Red Sox Nation).


I'm an Orioles fan and I don't know how you can't hate them >_>
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deadeyedllv | Posted 5/27/2009 10:23:20 PM | message detail
Another very disappointing update by CT. The trends for this one are going to be very similar to last match. This one is over folks. It's FREAKING Mario!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/27/2009 10:24:30 PM | message detail
The first is the early board vote, which deals with the first five minutes of the match. The second is the Power Hour, which is the first hour of the match. The third is the first night vote, which generally lasts for about 5 hours. The fourth is the morning vote, which generally lasts about three hours. The fifth is the during school vote, which lasts from 9 A.M. to around 2:30 P.M. give or take. The sixth is the after school vote, which lasts until 10 P.M., and the last two hours are the second night vote.

The percentages are the percent of votes each game took in during that time frame.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/27/2009 10:25:35 PM | message detail
THERE we go. 44 vote gain for CT!
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xp1337 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:25:53 PM | message detail
aww yeah CT!
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creativename | Posted 5/27/2009 10:26:43 PM | message detail
Leon, I love those time slot breakdowns, but I've never actually figured out what all of them mean, could you break it down?

They're great. Would be less confusing though if the time slot was the 1st column rather than the acronyms, which nobody understands :)
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 10:26:44 PM | message detail
We need more of these
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Silverflash-x | Posted 5/27/2009 10:27:00 PM | message detail
YES. That's what we need to see.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/27/2009 10:27:39 PM | message detail
Would be less confusing though if the time slot was the 1st column rather than the acronyms, which nobody understands :)

Bah, I don't want to have to edit all these!

...But I guess I can if it'd make it easier to understand.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 10:28:24 PM | message detail
I prefer the acronyms myself >_>
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creativename | Posted 5/27/2009 10:28:49 PM | message detail
A 600 vote lead for Chrono Trigger before morning this match would be like a 1000 vote lead last time.

Also the higher lead, the higher a percentage cut Mario 64 has to make - which means the vote swing potential is less.

Chrono Trigger winning here isn't just a delusional possibility.

One problem though is that if it's close, Crono's track record against Mario in close matches is horrendous :(
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 5/27/2009 10:28:49 PM | message detail
Keep pulling away Trigger! You gotta make it outta the division!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 10:29:32 PM | message detail
One problem though is that if it's close, Crono's track record against Mario in close matches is horrendous :(

Luckily for us, theres no CjayC this time
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deadeyedllv | Posted 5/27/2009 10:30:23 PM | message detail
A 600 vote lead for Chrono Trigger before morning this match would be like a 1000 vote lead last time.

How do you figure that?
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creativename | Posted 5/27/2009 10:31:11 PM | message detail
And FF7 is just behemothing right now.

OoT should thrash it's match too - it's pack is weaker than FF7's, and the two rivals should be similar in strength. OoT also has SFF potential against RBY, so it could fly well above FF7's percentage.
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xp1337 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:31:42 PM | message detail
How do you figure that?

I imagine because CT and SM64 are working with lower raw percentages in this match than they were last time.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 10:31:51 PM | message detail
1:35 is when CT started getting really big gains last match.
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creativename | Posted 5/27/2009 10:32:30 PM | message detail
How do you figure that?

Percentages at almost 40% vs. 24ish%. It's like a 60% difference.

This match will probably have higher vote totals, which counter that slightly - but very slightly.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/27/2009 10:33:58 PM | message detail
Actually with it being a weekday and not a weekend the bigger extremes between the trends would make a 1000 lead worth even less than it would have been in round 1 despite the lower vote totals, in my opinion
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:34:44 PM | message detail
Time for some projections!

At 1:30 last round, Chrono Trigger had 50.41% and it ended with 48.19%. This round, it has 51.00%.
Based on last round, Super Mario 64 wins with 51.22%.

But, if we exclude the first half hour of both matches, CT got 50.63% of the votes from 0:30 to 1:30 last round. This round, it got 53.09%. This projects Chrono Trigger to win with 50.65%.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 10:35:00 PM | message detail

From: The n00b Avenger | #043
Actually with it being a weekday and not a weekend the bigger extremes between the trends would make a 1000 lead worth even less than it would have been in round 1 despite the lower vote totals, in my opinion


Aren't most schools out?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/27/2009 10:35:25 PM | message detail
But, if we exclude the first half hour of both matches, CT got 50.63% of the votes from 0:30 to 1:30 last round. This round, it got 53.09%. This projects Chrono Trigger to win with 50.65%.

aww yeah the master spin doctor
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deadeyedllv | Posted 5/27/2009 10:35:53 PM | message detail
It's official; CT does not want to win this.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/27/2009 10:36:01 PM | message detail
That's not spin at all. That same projection still projected Vincent to beat Crono last year.
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SlikRick | Posted 5/27/2009 10:36:22 PM | message detail
Aren't most schools out?

Definitely not in California, I don't think any schools get out before June.
creativename | Posted 5/27/2009 10:37:38 PM | message detail
FF7 is like Cobra Kai. NO MERCY
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