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We should have Mega Man and Sonic in the same quarter of the bracket, surrounded by Squall, Auron, Vincent, Tifa, Sora, Ganondorf, and Zelda.
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I also sense a distinct lack of our 2007 champion on that list
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Considering Pikachu beat L-Block, I feel no reason to include it.
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Alright stats topic, April Fool's day was almost two months ago. We can stop being stupid now.
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From: LeonhartFour | #153
Considering Pikachu beat L-Block, I feel no reason to include it.

46.5% on a noble niner isn't strong enough to be top 20 tho?
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With the help of Crono Trigger though.

Don't forget, we made a whole speech to get the CT guys to give their votes to Pikachu so he could off L-block, so it wasn't Pikachu alone, but a double tech by him and Crono, Volt Bite comes to mind hehe.
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I get the feeling Pikachu would get slaughtered by Luigi/Bowser/Yoshi/Ganondorf/Zelda 1v1. Admittedly, I have no recent stats to back that up but.....I can't see Pikachu breaking 40% on any of those characters, and that's a max.
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Pikachu would likely lose big to them, but he's a 4ways wonder, as is all pokemon. Lack of anti votes and all
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From: LeonhartFour | #149
...No, you don't.

Mudkip gets over 47% on Luigi and Zelda, how is that not already close. Unless you want to attach some arbitrary SFF to avoid those facts
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Mudkip gets over 47% on Luigi and Zelda, how is that not already close. Unless you want to attach some arbitrary SFF to avoid those facts

Ganondorf/Luigi and Mario/Zelda is arbitrary SFF? Look at what Luigi did to Mudkip before Ganondorf was added.

Hint: It wasn't 47%
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It was clearly because the other 2 entrants in the first round were SFFing Mudkip
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Hmm....if we say that Ganondorf/Luigi is not really an LFF situation, then surely Link/Mario isn't either. And if so....that says Crono beats Mario with about 57%, doesn't it? Well, I can live with Mudkip being right on Luigi/Ganondorf's heels if Crono beats Mario worse than Sephiroth has done in 6 years.
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So Pit and Tingle SFF Mudkip horribly, but Mario and Ganondorf do virtually nothing?

...Okay, I'm done.
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Alright stats topic, April Fool's day was almost two months ago. We can stop being stupid now.

Oh hey guys I found something interesting.
Mewtwo scores 58.56% on a SFF'ed Squall
Sonic scores 51.19% on a SFF'ed Squall
Mewtwo wins with 53.21% of the vote against Sonic.
(lol xstats)
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Virtually anyone beating Sonic would fail to surprise me at this point.
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Let's go Guybrush > Sonic
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So it wouldn't suprise you one bit if Tanner won a match against Sonic?
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The Gamer In Me
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From: paulg235 | #168
So it wouldn't suprise you one bit if Tanner won a match against Sonic?

he likely would on a b8 only poll
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he likely would on a b8 only poll

Sonic's actually pretty popular on Board 8, but if Bacon did a mini-poll like he did for Link vs. Solano, then Tanner would probably beat a lot of people.
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Let's go Guybrush > Sonic

S1/SF2/SMB3/SMI was about 2 weeks ago.
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The Gamer In Me
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Pfft, The Secret of Monkey Island was clearly being SFF'd by SFII and Mario 3.
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I can't come up with something even remotely plausible to explain why though.

but if Bacon did a mini-poll like he did for Link vs. Solano

wasnt that ceej?
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Man, I really hope FF7 cracks like 50% tomorrow or something.

amen

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Yeah, that was CJayC. Nevermind.
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For the record, Mario 64 and CT were tied at the end of the board vote, CT led at the end of the Power Hour, and CT won the night before Mario 64 owned it during the day.

That was a weekend match though.
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Is it possible FF7 is in third at the freeze?
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FFVII usually doesn't stay behind for long, and if CT can manage to stay ahead of FFVII for any prolonged period of time, then it's probably not getting SFF'd. Maybe second if Mario 64 gets enough rallying, but that's it.
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FF7 should suffer pretty hard early on. this is three of the best early votes around.

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there's a better view.
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CT peaked at 51.40% against SM64 last round at 4:06 AM, and fell 3.21% from there to the end to end at 48.19%. I'm going to set a magic number of 1300 at the start of the ASV- if CT is above that, it should be the favorite, if not, SM64 has a better than even chance of coming back.
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Yeah, FFVII could be in third for as long as an hour. CT stayed ahead of FFVII for 50 mintues in 2004 and still ended up under 42%.
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.

Crono/Vincent trends should actually apply tomorrow.
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eah, FFVII could be in third for as long as an hour. CT stayed ahead of FFVII for 50 mintues in 2004 and still ended up under 42%.

If anything like that happens this time FF7 is in some major **** - that was CT, and FF7's day vote ain't what it used to be.
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Three games are pretty great at the early vote whereas FFVII is literally the worst during that time .. I can see people calling FFVII epic fail at the beginning for a while .. <.<

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My fanfiction series, Part 3 (Potential spoilers for FFVII)

The Armies of Nintendo advanced on the citadel of Midgar, the last bastion of hope in a world covered in shadow. In the past weeks, the hordes had swelled in number beyond Link's wildest dreams, and, moreover, the power of the individual units had also grown tremendously. Link had never thought to squeeze every last drop of life out of his subjects- L-Block was a far more ruthless master, and cared about one thing only: power.

The genetic experiments that had started with Pokemon had been applied across all the varied species in every land where Nintendo held sway. The new, stronger, creations were then mass produced, grown quickly using the life energy of captured enemies. The Pokemon force itself had swelled now to millions, and there were hundreds of legendary pokemon. Link had originally created one special pokemon as his secret weapon to defeat the Block, but L-Block had, after stealing control of Pikachu away from Link, added 12 others to Link's original Pikachu. All could perform attacks like Giga Flare, Ultima, and Knights of the Round.

L-Block himself remained disguised as Mario- he would reveal himself to the world once he had conquered Midgar once and for all, and thrown down the Square Confederation that was the world's last resistance against his awesome power. He stood atop one of the newly contructed carriers- under L-Block's rule, technology had advanced centuries, from airships to space carriers in the span of weeks.

It was this force that surrounded the city of Midgar, flooding the plain around it so that an observer on the Midgar plate could not see an end to the army though he looked at the horizon all around him in every direction. Cloud and the rest of AVALANCHE, the rulers of Midgar since Sephiroth's defeat, met at the top of the Shinra building with grim faces. Sephiroth had even been invited to discuss strategy for this last defense.

Cloud: What can we do against this force? They outnumber us 10 to 1, and their technology has catapulted above ours in the span of weeks.

Vincent: Indeed, these Pokemon have strong magic- I fear we no longer hold an advantage there either.

Tifa: We've got to believe we can win. We must! But I just don't see how.....how did Mario build up the armies of Nintendo so quickly?

Sephiroth: We can still win. We must tap directly into the lifestream. Cloud, give me the black and white materia. With them both, I can gain control of the lifestream itself, giving me enough power to destroy this army.

Cloud: No! I won't save the world from Nintendo only to see it fall into your hands, Sephiroth!

Sephiroth: Well, then, Cloud, do you have any better ideas? You know you would be treated well under my rule- failure though you be, you still have my genes. Unlike Mario, I will not have you experimented on until you are an empty shell walking around aimlessly....

A portal suddenly appeared. An elf boy wearing a green tunic stepped out of it, he whom everyone in Midgar had feared above all others up until a few weeks before.

Cloud: Link! What are you doing here?

Link: I am here to tell you the truth about what happened in the Kingdom of Nintendo, and to give us hope for saving the world.

Link: "Mario" is in fact L-Block, the force we thought had vanished from the world. He stole my Pikachu, and defeated me. Since then, he has built up this army through genetic manipulation on an absurd level.

Team FFVII: ......!!! The.....Block of Doom!

Link: Fortunately, I have discovered L-Block's power source. It is.....the same as mine. I hate to have to tell you the source of my power, and even more to teach you to use it, but I fear it is the only way we can defeat the Block.
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Link: Once I was just an ordinary Hylian with extraordinary courage, but one day I found myself in a situation humanly impossible to overcome. I reached into myself in desperation, and used what I thought then was magic. But as I continued my travels, I discovered that what I had used was nothing like any magic I had seen anywhere else. I grew to use that force more and more, and began to discover what it really is.

Link: The Power Within. It is similar to the lifestream in many ways, except that you are not drawing from dead people's life forces but from your own. Most people have very weak life forces, and so they cannot do anything with the Power Within. But for the great....I have not yet found an upper bound to it, if someone has but enough will. This is the power with which I have long defeated you. This is the power with which L-Block tries to rule the world. He is the embodiment of hatred, essentially willpower made physical, and so he is very, very, absurdly, strong in the Power Within.

Cloud: So....how do we use this Power Within, if you are not lying?

Link: Cloud, you have potential to become very strong in the Power Within. Much more potential than everyone else sitting here. Yes, even you, weakling, I mean, Sephiroth. Cloud, that is why I have always feared you. But there is another in the Square Confederation who has even more potential in the Power Within than you, Cloud, and I think he has already used it- Luminaire could be nothing else. I know L-Block has already destroyed the Kingdom of Guardia- do you think he might have survived?

Cloud: I know not.....look, the Nintendo army is moving! The carriers and pokemon are firing at us!

Cloud (to everyone in Midgar): Man your stations! The fate of the world rests on your shoulders. Prepare for Battle!

Far below them, at the gate to the Midgar slums, stood two cloaked travelers, survivors from L-Block's destruction of Guardia. They looked at each other, nodded, and flung off their cloaks. Two swords shone through the dark; one flashing the entire spectrum of visible light, the other radiating what appeared to be pure power. Somewhere in Midgar, someone began to play the tune called Frog's Theme.
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Division 4: Round 3 - Match 52 – Final Fantasy VII vs. Goldeneye vs. Super Mario 64 vs. Chrono Trigger

Moltar’s Analysis

Final Fantasy VII
Round 1 - 55.05% vs. Mario Kart 64, Star Fox 64 and Suikoden
Round 2 - 47.30% vs. Goldeneye, Super Mario RPG and Mario Kart 64

You should have seen it after the board vote, yikes!

Goldeneye
Round 1 - 35.97% vs. Super Mario RPG, Resident Evil 2 and Donkey Kong Country 2
Round 2 - 23.33% vs. Final Fantasy VII, Super Mario RPG and Mario Kart 64

Goldeneye shows it’s not as low as R1 let on.

Super Mario 64
Round 1 - 45.44% vs. Symphony of the Night, Resident Evil and Kirby Super Star
Round 2 - 40.42% vs. Chrono Trigger, Symphony of the Night and Yoshi’s Island

I said wow

Chrono Trigger
Round 1 - 56.36% vs. Yoshi’s Island, Earthbound and Lufia II
Round 2 - 37.59% vs. Super Mario 64, Symphony of the Night and Yoshi’s Island

3rd strongest game? Not anymore!

Well this match surely got interesting. I have FF7 > CT in my bracket because pre-contest…this was pretty much a lock. #1 game and #3 game, FF7/CT previously showing no signs of SFF, SM64/GE splitting. I mean really, unless you were just looking for some crazy nonsensical upset here, you had FF7 > CT.

“whoops”

Everything looked fine and dandy in Round 1. FF7 and CT looking good, Mario 64 looking fine, GE disappointing, everyone’s happy. Then Round 2 hits, and you get Goldeneye putting up 33% on FF7 in a fourpack with 2 other Nintendo games. 24 hours later, you get the huge upset of SM64 > Chrono Trigger with another Mario game in the poll. Suddenly, Mario 64 is looking pretty darn good for Round 2.

And the evidence just keeps piling up in its favor. The biggest thing is the failure of old-Square to capitalize on Nintendo splits, while Nintendo rocks Square when it gets split. What we have here is the 2 biggest RPGs against 2 of the biggest N64 games. The million dollar question is which split is worse.

CT is on the wrong end of the FF7 split, while Mario 64 is presumably on the right end of the Goldeneye split. FF7/CT, like I said before, has never gone too badly for CT, so I don’t think that changes here. Mario 64/GE could be bad though. We’ve seen both OoT/Mario 64 and OoT/GE, and both were horrific SFF beatdowns, especially with how strong both Mario 64 and Goldeneye look to be. Mario 64 is no OoT, but I still think Mario 64 can dish out some N64 SFF, as I believe the N64 audience is very familiar with its top games and that there is a defined pecking order for those fans.

Basically it comes down to this. The better CT resists FF7, the better its chances are of winning. The better Mario 64 can distance itself away for GE, the better are its chances. Mario 64 already has one over on CT, and between hurting Goldeneye (which SMRPG was even able to do) and getting hurt by Final Fantasy Freakin 7, I like Mario’s chances a bit more here.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: FFVII > CT

Moltar’s Prediction is: FFVII: 34% - SM64: 26% - CT: 24% - Goldeneye: 16%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

So I have just about given up hope that FFVII is still stronger than Ocarina of Time. Round 1 looked great for Square, but ever since things have been downhill, with Nintendo domination all around. Square games that were top tier in 2k4 look completely lousy in 2k9. It may just be old Square is finally disappearing from most people's minds, but I dunno, I think it extends a little further than that. Everyone's always spun FFVII's showings as 'alright' or 'nothing bad,' but the past couple of years have certainly been trending downwards, at least as far as Cloud and Sephiroth go.

Which brings us to today's match. The Crew consensus should almost unanimously favor Mario to advance here. I think it may be such a dominating favorite you might have one or two decide to go for it all and take the upset over FFVII. But I'm not buying into that bandwagon, that seems like massive overestimation of Mario 64's strength, or complete underestimation of FFVII's. For all that people are ready to call Mario 64 the strongest Mario game, we still don't know how much of last round was CT completely falling off the map (and it wouldn't be surprising seeing FFVI today) and how much of it was Mario. There's also the fact that FFVII/CT shouldn't split so much as FFVII will rock CT into the ground.

People will point to that 2k4 final, but I've always believed CT had more reason to do overperform there. We can say Nintendo fans wouldn't vote for it after the gauntlet it ran, eliminating Nintendo game after Nintendo game, but I think did get the Nintendo fanbases support over FFVII. I also think that between the two, people are more likely to support the underdog than the guaranteed champion. Now, there's no way to prove any of this, and it honestly doesn't make much of a difference now, but between CT having fallen off the map and another Nintendo game being in the poll will ultimately lessen Trigger's ability to hold up against Square's best.

Of course, Mario 64 and Goldeneye could end up killing each other with N64 SFF -- something I can completely buy given how few games were on the system -- but I think Mario would sooner be OoT-lite in that situation and drive ol' Bond into the ground. We'll see how this goes, but I have no hopes for CT to advance, unfortunately!

Final Fantasy VII -- 38%
Super Mario 64 -- 27%
Chrono Trigger -- 22%
Goldeneye -- 13%

Bracket: Final Fantasy VII > Chrono Trigger
Favorites: Final Fantasy VII > Chrono Trigger



Lopen’s Analysis

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I don't know... how can someone look at that picture and not bust out laughing? Guy is so out of place it's amazing. I have my doubts as to how much stronger Mario 64 is vs Goldeneye anyway... although I was never a big fan, Goldeneye was pretty top tier on the N64. Mario 64's perceived strength is gauging it through dinosaurs that have every reason to drop in SotN and Chrono Trigger. With the help of a boost from that amazingly hilarious picture, a PP7 shot square to the dome will lay it to rest.

CT meanwhile, gets brutally SFFed by FF7.

... maybe I'm just grasping for an interesting result at this point?

LONG LIVE PIERCE BROSNAN.

Lopen's prediction
Final Fantasy 7 - 33.01%
PIERCE BROSNAN - 23.07%
Super Mario 64 - 23.02%
Chrono Trigger - 20.90%

-looks at old match pics- (this is genuine... the first was my legit analysis when first sent to Moltar!)

Aw crap, this already happened fruitlessly a few years ago with Pierce vs Ocarina of Time. Humorless bastards. I still have to go for an overperformance from 007 here though. C'mon Goldeneye!

Lopen's prediction
Final Fantasy 7 - 33.01%
Super Mario 64 - 25.02%
Chrono Trigger - 22.90%
PIERCE BROSNAN - 19.07%


Transience’s Analysis

Big match tonight. There's a lot I can talk about.

Let's start with the whole "where's the overlap?" thing. I believe that some of the heaviest overlap exists on the n64, where there were only a few notable games. It's the same way on the Wii and you saw what happened to Galaxy when Brawl was introduced. You saw round 2, where Goldeneye reminded Mario Kart 64 what the superior multiplayer game was on the system. And, of course, there's Ocarina of Time tearing Mario 64 to freaking shreds in 2004.

So it stands to reason that Mario 64 and Goldeneye will hurt each other. People have talked about how Nintendo overlap is not that significant, but they're wrong: it isn't with old games because they're so well-known with ridiculous playrates. The n64 isn't the catch-all that the NES or SNES are/were. It's a system with half a dozen games and that's all.

So what of FF7 and CT?

They're the two biggest RPGs on the site, but oddly enough, there's no evidence of them ever overlapping. In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find Old Square (pre-FF7) and New Square (FF7 and on) overlapping at any point. CT actually lead FF7 for an hour in the 2004 final. Kefka went from 46.5% on Marcus Fenix to 43.9% when Cloud got added to the poll -- not much of a change considering how badly Cloud beats down newer guys like Squall or Auron. If you're looking for some kind of killer overlap here, you're probably not going to find it. CT is independent of FF7. The only thing pointing the other way is the 2008 final, but the finals are always screwed up. I'd sooner throw that one out -- after all, Snake beat Cloud and led Link for six hours.

I want to pick Chrono Trigger for this match. I trust it to get 20% more than I do Mario 64 - that game has a fanbase, man. I could really see it doing something unusual and just never letting Mario 64 even have a chance.

The last three days have pushed me away from it though. I can't deny it - old Square just sucks now. FF4 got crushed. FF6 had a pathetic performance despite three Nintendo games. Chrono Trigger lost to Mario 64 already. I'm not about to pick old Square until it gives me a reason.

CT hasn't given me a reason yet.

transience's prediction:

Final Fantasy VII - 37%
Mario 64 - 25%
Chrono Trigger - 23%
Goldeneye - 15%



Leonhart’s Analysis

Final Fantasy VII: Final Fantasy VII won as expected last round, but it struggled early, as usual. For some reason, this game has lost its ASV now. That could eventually cost it down the line with Ocarina of Time, especially since it’ll get hit hard the first hour. FFVII shouldn’t have a problem winning this one though. I know people are high on Mario 64 here, but you have to get really high on it for it to beat FFVII here. I really don’t expect Chrono Trigger to affect FFVII that much. Everything we’ve ever seen between these two has basically shown no effect. The big question here is how much FFVII wins by because OoT has been outdoing it so far.

GoldenEye: Hey, remember when we thought GoldenEye/Mario 64 would be a good match? Yeah, then Mario 64 went out and beat Chrono Trigger. What a spoil sport. Last place seems to be GoldenEye’s destiny this round, but I doubt it gets destroyed. I fully expect Mario 64 and GoldenEye to split here. If OoT and Mario 64 split, and OoT and GoldenEye split, what’s to stop Mario 64 and GoldenEye from splitting? Nothing, that’s what. The fact that GoldenEye held up better to OoT also tells me that Mario 64’s going to be getting hurt by its presence rather than helped by it, like it seemed with Yoshi’s Island. It could prevent Mario 64 from advancing here.

Super Mario 64: One of the biggest shockers of the contest was Mario 64 beating Chrono Trigger. It did what Mario 3, Mario World, and Mario RPG couldn’t do five years ago, and it did it with Yoshi’s Island there. Now, some people think it makes it even MORE impressive that it did it with Yoshi’s Island, but I beg to differ. Mario 64 is going to be dealing SFF there without much LFF from Yoshi’s Island. If you add a neutral entry or even a non-Mario Nintendo game, Mario 64 is going to be the one who drops, possibly even to the point of losing. Remember that Mega Man X did better against Mario with Zelda there than with Luigi there because a non-Mario entry puts up better resistance. You’re going to see the same thing here. GoldenEye will provide much more resistance than Yoshi’s Island, and Mario 64’s gonna be hurting. Watch out!

Chrono Trigger: After Mario 64 beat Chrono Trigger last round, most people essentially gave Mario 64 a free pass into round four because Final Fantasy VII would be there. I disagree. We have never seen an instance of Final Fantasy VII and Chrono Trigger affecting each other, including a direct matchup in the finals of the first Games Contest. Don’t expect it to start now. I honestly think Chrono Trigger can stand up better to FFVII and resist LFF better than Mario 64 can from GoldenEye. Mario 64 completely folded against Ocarina of Time five years ago, and while GoldenEye is certainly no Zelda, that match simply proves that Mario 64 isn’t invincible when it comes to LFF. I’m going with Chrono Trigger here!

Leonhart’s Vote: Final Fantasy VII! Let’s mosey!

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Final Fantasy VII – 35.85%
GoldenEye – 17.02%
Super Mario 64 – 22.18%
Chrono Trigger – 24.95%



Ed Bellis’s Analysis

This is a peculiar matchup. On the one hand, Mario 64 by all rights appeared to be the stronger game last round, beating Chrono Trigger despite the presence of another Mario game. On the other hand, I’m of the impression that N64 SFF is far more severe than most other forms, as notable games there tended to be few and far between. Plus, it didn’t beat Trigger by all that much, and slight variations in the poll could easily tip it the other way.

So I’ll be backing FF7 for first, and… y’know, something weird sits in my mind about Goldeneye. I can’t help but think that, for some bizarre reason, it’ll come out better than most people expect. After reviewing how it barely beat Mario RPG I can’t take it for over Mario 64, but I want to; I just think it’ll look decent in the process.

Final Fantasy VII with 37.88%
GoldenEye 007 with 18.23%
Super Mario 64 with 20.22%
Chrono Trigger with 23.67%



Guest’s Analysis - The Real Truth

Final Super Golden Trigger - This game is going to be great.

You know what would be funny? If Chrono Trigger decided to steal a ton of FF7's votes and some how bump SM64 to first, with Goldeneye in the match.

So yeah, a few different things to look for in this match.
How bad will FF7 hurt CT?
How bad will GE hurt SM64?

Goldeneye has strength and isn't going to just die. It's also more different than the other 3 games. So if we guess what Goldeneye is going to get, we can come up with some stuff here.

I will take FF7 to break 40% here.
I won't put Goldeneye below 15% (SotN had 14.67).
This leaves 45% for the other two games.
Honestly, we'll probably see a similar match this time around, between CT and SM64.
I'm so tempted to take Chrono Trigger here.
Actually yeah, screw it. I realize how hot the Mario games have been.
I just can't put Goldeneye that low. If SM64 does take second here, it's probably because of a MASSIVE flop on CT's part. So massive, that CT will end up closer to Goldeneye, than SM64.


Final fantasy VII - 43.16%
Super Mario 64 - 24. 56%
Goldeneye - 16.61%
Chrono Trigger - 15.67%


After looking at the numbers I came up with, I just couldn't go against SM64.
And at the last second I decided to take Goldeneye over Chrono Trigger.
I realize SMRPG got 17.03% in the match FF7. We've also come to see that SMRPG has somet strength. And for some reason I just can't shake the feeling CT will flop hard. FF7 destroys CT factor.



Crew Consensus: Poor old Square, CT’s gone from the favorite for second to only 2 people supporting it in the Crew! The rest have FF7 > SM64

Considering Pikachu beat L-Block, I feel no reason to include it.

Well, I'm going to nominate L-Block again for the next character battle. Regardless, we'll need some joke characters in the contest anyways, besides CATS.
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I'm sticking with FF7 > CT, but I would love to see SM64 win as well.
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CT beating mario would be bad for FFVII next round
FFVII
FFVI
CT
Zelda LTTP
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SM64 > FF7!

(FF7 > SM64)
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Let's start with the whole "where's the overlap?" thing. I believe that some of the heaviest overlap exists on the n64, where there were only a few notable games. It's the same way on the Wii and you saw what happened to Galaxy when Brawl was introduced. You saw round 2, where Goldeneye reminded Mario Kart 64 what the superior multiplayer game was on the system. And, of course, there's Ocarina of Time tearing Mario 64 to freaking shreds in 2004.

There's SFF due to overlap there, absolutely. There's a lot of SFF today, there was a good amount of SFF in Brawl/Galaxy, there was a good amount in Mario 64/Yoshi's Island, etc.

But I don't think there's a considerable amount of LFF in any of those matches. What does FFVI get on LttP in a fair match? Not 45%, I'd wager, but not too much lower. What does FFIV get on Mario 3 in a fair match? Not 38%, but, again, not too much lower. 38% for CoD4 on Brawl doesn't seem far off. 007's 33% on FFVII probably isn't too far away from the truth.

The exception here is RBY, which did appear to suffer from LFF. But if you're asking 007 to LFF Mario 64, and to do that worse than what FFVII and CT do to each other, that seems like a very tall order.

Perhaps I'll eat my words in twenty minutes, but I don't buy the concept of Mario 64/007 LFF. SFF, maybe; I wouldn't be surprised if 007 did worse on FFVII this round compared to last even with CT around. But LFF hurting Mario 64? Nah.
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Match LII: Final Fantasy VII vs. GoldenEye 007 vs. Super Mario 64 vs. Chrono Trigger

Last Round:

Final Fantasy VII – 47.30%
GoldenEye 007 – 23.33%
Super Mario RPG – 17.03%
Mario Kart 64 – 12.35%

Super Mario 64 – 40.42%
Chrono Trigger – 37.59%
Castlevania: SotN – 14.67%
SMW2: Yoshi’s Island – 7.33%

Analysis

What was supposed to have been a somewhat of a boring match between four high profile games has turned into a hyped up match in one simple upset. Super Mario 64 is my favourite game so while the upset caught me off-guard it’s not like I wasn’t pleased with the results. It’s a shame that two games in this match and the next have to be eliminated when they’re all top 20 material.

There’s been talk about Final Fantasy VII losing, but even I know that Super Mario 64 has no chance there. Final Fantasy VII hasn’t been impressive, but it hasn’t failed to meet its expectations while Super Mario 64 only barely defeated Chrono Trigger which is about a tier below Final Fantasy VII. It would take our first case of rSFF for the upset to happen or Final Fantasy VII having its power hour for 24 hours instead of one.

There are two games in this entire bracket that could affect GoldenEye 007, one of them crushed it in 2004 and the second is present in this match. The SFF won’t be as bad since Super Mario 64 is no Ocarina of Time, but it will be strong enough to force GoldenEye to come in last, not that it needed help to get last. The only thing GoldenEye is here to do is to affect Super Mario 64’s performance.

Not to be left in the dust by the other Mario games Super Mario 64 thought it was a good idea to upset Chrono Trigger ruining any chance for me to get a perfect division. The other Mario games have performed well this round leading me to believe that Super Mario 64 will do the same. Super Mario 64 will likely be dragged down by GoldenEye and it doesn’t have that much breathing room to work with. I don’t really understand how some people believe that LFF won’t happen; GoldenEye was made by Rare which was owned by Nintendo at the time and both games were two of the three must buy games for the Nintendo 64 which didn’t have an impressive library. The LFF won’t be huge, but it will be present.

In a surprise twist Chrono Trigger is the underdog in this match. What Chrono Trigger has to hope for is either Super Mario 64 had an over performance last round or LFF between it and GoldenEye will drag it down. There’s also the possibility that it could be SFF by Final Fantasy VII though there hasn’t been a single case of that between old and new Square.

This is truly a match where at least one game should be in everyone’s top 20. Chrono Trigger has a chance, but Super Mario 64 is the favourite. Anything can happen though seeing Super Mario 64 attempting to take on Link to the Past for the third strongest game could be interesting to watch.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Final Fantasy VII > Chrono Trigger

charmander6000’s Prediction: Final Fantasy VII – 35.73%, Super Mario 64 – 24.83%, Chrono Trigger – 23.17%, GoldenEye 007 – 16.27%

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Well, the reason RBY suffered a lot of LFF while LTTP and Brawl suffered much less is quite simple- GS and MM stood up to RBY; SM, LA, and Galaxy did not stand up to LTTP/Brawl and got SFF'd hard. Goldeneye just has to avoid the SFF hammer to hurt Mario 64.
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Perhaps I'll eat my words in twenty minutes, but I don't buy the concept of Mario 64/007 LFF. SFF, maybe; I wouldn't be surprised if 007 did worse on FFVII this round compared to last even with CT around. But LFF hurting Mario 64? Nah.

hmm, you might be right. FF8/FF9 is another one, as is FF1/FF4.

I kinda see the n64 games as being in their own series though. Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye, Ocarina of Time -- these games are like sequels to me since nothing else existed.

I still don't see FF7 killing CT or anything though. I'd be much more worried if this were FF6.
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