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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 728

UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/26/2009 9:28:50 PM | message detail
Only the clinically insane thought FF4 had some free pass to the later rounds.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 9:29:00 PM | message detail
It's a close one, but this is an ugly performance here. All the advantage in the world, and it still won't match its 2004 percentage (it might not even be very close).
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 9:29:30 PM | message detail
Nintendo LFF insignificant? What's this I see with FFVI getting 72% on Link's Awakening now?
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/26/2009 9:31:33 PM | message detail
Super Metroid only gaining 18 on LA alert
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/26/2009 9:33:41 PM | message detail
FF6 and FF4 clearly got hit by OSIJFWF.

Old Square Is Just ****ing Weak Factor
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L33t_Rappa_Sam | Posted 5/26/2009 9:35:18 PM | message detail
This **** is glorious. The Nintendo-domination long-thought dead is just as strong as ever. Though hatred flows through the hearts of many concerning modern Nintendo, many still hold on to their dear roots hard enough to still back Nintendo's glory days over anything and everything. Even Final Fantasy 7 will barely stand up against the pure will of Nintendo fanboys, as the dreams of innocence and youth ring through the hearts of every GameFAQs user, inspiring child-like glee and enthusiasm as they watch their beloved games crush the competition. Sure, Nintendo's not the same company it used to be, but it's that old image, that undying visage, that still defines gaming to this day, and there's nothing Sony, Microsoft, or any of these inferior third-party developers can do to fight against this.

Nintendo is king. Nintendo is ruler. Nintendo is God Almighty. Amen.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 9:36:27 PM | message detail
Another point: Final Fantasy VII is the luckiest game in this contest. Had CT been near 2004 levels, LttP could have easily toppled it next round. That was such a beautiful upset pick, too.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/26/2009 9:37:34 PM | message detail
Ha! LttP's going to win that anyway.
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/26/2009 9:39:11 PM | message detail
This **** is glorious. The Nintendo-domination long-thought dead is just as strong as ever. Though hatred flows through the hearts of many concerning modern Nintendo, many still hold on to their dear roots hard enough to still back Nintendo's glory days over anything and everything. Even Final Fantasy 7 will barely stand up against the pure will of Nintendo fanboys, as the dreams of innocence and youth ring through the hearts of every GameFAQs user, inspiring child-like glee and enthusiasm as they watch their beloved games crush the competition. Sure, Nintendo's not the same company it used to be, but it's that old image, that undying visage, that still defines gaming to this day, and there's nothing Sony, Microsoft, or any of these inferior third-party developers can do to fight against this.

Nintendo is king. Nintendo is ruler. Nintendo is God Almighty. Amen.



Hallelujah!

Anyone up for some SM64 > FF7 this round, then SM64 > LttP next round?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 9:39:22 PM | message detail

From: L33t_Rappa_Sam | #406
This **** is glorious. The Nintendo-domination long-thought dead is just as strong as ever. Though hatred flows through the hearts of many concerning modern Nintendo, many still hold on to their dear roots hard enough to still back Nintendo's glory days over anything and everything. Even Final Fantasy 7 will barely stand up against the pure will of Nintendo fanboys, as the dreams of innocence and youth ring through the hearts of every GameFAQs user, inspiring child-like glee and enthusiasm as they watch their beloved games crush the competition. Sure, Nintendo's not the same company it used to be, but it's that old image, that undying visage, that still defines gaming to this day, and there's nothing Sony, Microsoft, or any of these inferior third-party developers can do to fight against this.

Nintendo is king. Nintendo is ruler. Nintendo is God Almighty. Amen.


Long thought dead? Zelda won the series contest, there has been talk ever since that OoT>FFVII, and both Cloud and Sephiroth have embarrassed themselves in this 4way format. The only thing Square has now are its near elite characters. Squall, Auron, Sora, and Tifa are still a cut above the likes of Ganondorf, Zelda, Luigi, and Bowser, but Nintendo has always had everything else.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/26/2009 9:39:31 PM | message detail
LTTP can still win that with CT there, or lose with it there. I'm not daring enough to think about it winning without CT there though!

And again, people are overreacting with regards to what this implies for the rest of the contest. FFVI isn't going to end up all that far below reasonable expectations.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/26/2009 9:39:57 PM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts vs. Final Fantasy VI

Who you got?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 9:40:27 PM | message detail
(which is actually quite boring and so I will be cheering for those very Nintendo characters to be fed to Squall and Auron later this year)
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/26/2009 9:41:32 PM | message detail
Freaking Final Fantasy VI > Kingdom Hearts!

(Yeah, LTTP would rock FFX too)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 9:43:02 PM | message detail
That was such a beautiful upset pick, too.

Not as beautiful as Mario 64 > LTTP next round, apparently.

and both Cloud and Sephiroth have embarrassed themselves in this 4way format.

To be fair, Sephiroth has only embarrassed himself when Cloud has been involved. At least he has an excuse.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 9:43:22 PM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts > FFVI easily. Every last thing since 2004 has hinted at this, and this contest is the perfect culmination. Kingdom Hearts would demolish anything from old Square sans CT (and even there, I wouldn't be surprised if it had a very respectable performance).
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 9:44:10 PM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts vs. MGS: Who you got?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 9:45:34 PM | message detail
And I don't know if LTTP could even beat FFVII on its lonesome because it's looking like FFVII will lay quite a smack down on FFVI next round.
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/26/2009 9:47:30 PM | message detail
Hey, Mario 64 > LttP is still within the realm of possibility! Along with winning the lottery jackpot and getting struck by lightning on the same day!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 9:47:48 PM | message detail
I like those odds!
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/26/2009 9:50:23 PM | message detail
Only you get struck by lightning first.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 9:50:51 PM | message detail
You didn't say whether I survived or not, so I'll still take it!
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/26/2009 9:50:55 PM | message detail
Hey, LTTP only gained 16 votes that update! Nintendo Power Hour winding down, prepare for the night vote.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/26/2009 9:56:15 PM | message detail
I don't think FF6 is embarrassing itself as much as people think. There is some HEAVY Super Nintendo overlap going on here; FF6 is undoubtedly getting hurt by LTTP and Super Metroid.

I know I know, no one here buys into the same era as much as the same series or company and etc etc etc. I still say it makes a lot of sense.
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/26/2009 9:56:41 PM | message detail
You bought the lottery ticket with the charred remains of your last dollar bill at the hospital waiting room.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 9:56:47 PM | message detail
CT win guaranteed
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/26/2009 9:59:13 PM | message detail
I know I know, no one here buys into the same era as much as the same series or company and etc etc etc. I still say it makes a lot of sense.

I buy it, but I think the big gap is between the SNES and the PS/N64 eras, with a smaller gap between the PS/N64 era and PS2/GC/XBX era. The NES/SNES gap is probably fairly insignificant.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 9:59:36 PM | message detail
It's still lost a huge step. In 2004, it managed over 47%. Today, it won't come close to that despite two other Nintendo games (one of them ZELDA) in the poll. I took the VI>LttP upset pick thinking that LA would be here. The bracket did me one better and put both LA and Metroid here (I had Doom), and FF is still nowhere near capitalizing. It's... just bad. I'd take no fewer than five New Square games to outdo this performance.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 10:00:22 PM | message detail
FFVIII > LTTP here?

Aww yeah
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/26/2009 10:02:46 PM | message detail
I also wouldn't call Chrono Trigger dead just yet. It's held up to FF7 in the past, and asking Mario 64 not to get leeched by Goldeneye is just a horrible thing to ask. Mario is going to get leeched; this is not up for debate. The question is whether Goldeneye will affect Mario enough for Chrono Trigger to make up 3300 votes. I still say if you remove Yoshi's Island from that poll, Chrono Trigger beats Mario 64 for reasons no one wants to agree with me on :(

Is same-era-huge-overlap so unreasonable? The name "Mario" aside, Yoshi's Island is related to Chrono Trigger a lot closer than it is Mario 64. The wrench in all this of course is how Mario just beasted the hell out of yesterday's poll. It isn't playing around, and CT needs to bring its best tomorrow.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/26/2009 10:03:43 PM | message detail
I'd still file Chrono Trigger under "new" Square. Color me a fool.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 5/26/2009 10:04:14 PM | message detail
There is some HEAVY Super Nintendo overlap going on here; FF6 is undoubtedly getting hurt by LTTP and Super Metroid.

I know I know, no one here buys into the same era as much as the same series or company and etc etc etc. I still say it makes a lot of sense.


It can make sense, but not here. The only non-SNES game is Link's Awakening, and that's certainly not helping it any.

I really don't see how anyone can think FFVI is meeting their expectations here, unless they already thought it was trash. It's already dropped 3% from the 2k4 match, and that's before you give most of Link's Awakening's percentage to LttP. Not to mention Super Metroid.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/26/2009 10:04:47 PM | message detail
I figured that FFVI had probably dropped 5-6% relative to LTTP since 2004 (and would probably have taken FFVI pre-contest if I'd had 2 Nintendo games here, but with a lot of reservations). After this performance, I'd revise that estimate to 7-8%, maybe a tad more, but not really surprising. There should be a world of difference between CT and FFVI now, after CTDS. I don't think New Square has fared too much better though, over the past 5 years.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 5/26/2009 10:04:58 PM | message detail
17 people fell off the Top 50 today. Xcarvengerx, Naruto_kun84, FinalFantasyXV, 14danny14, K1lr0y, Jericoholic913, crown_unit, DrLagoona, TheArkOfTurus, PorkmanDeLardo, RadioontheTV, a_doyle_42, ShadowBass989, SingToMe14, VincentLauw, Tendo128 and Aecioo did not have SMB3 > SMW as yesterday's winners.

18 people scored half points and lived. kaonashi1, Mac_Arrowny, MajorMitch, ZenOfThunder, JimmyBo1515, Ultimaphazon, _gloomy, xcamel24, Gigaduckman, lololesecond, Mistah_T_1337, KadenceInc, octoblinky, xXWarchiefXx, destrian522, seniorchumchum, zerosuit_skip and Piazza31 also did not have SMB3 > SMW as yesterday's winners.

2 people scored quarter points and lived. Current first place menji76 and Gavin_Sykes had somethine vaguely similar to SMB3 > SMW as yesterday's winners.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 10:05:04 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | Mario 3 | Sonic 1 | Mario World | FFIV | Demographic
EBV | 33.23% | 13.91% | 32.46% | 20.40% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 34.27% | 13.18% | 32.45% | 20.10% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 31.80% | 14.71% | 31.68% | 21.80% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 31.44% | 16.51% | 30.68% | 21.37% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 32.93% | 14.22% | 31.88% | 20.97% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 32.95% | 14.64% | 33.05% | 19.36% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 34.14% | 13.17% | 31.82% | 20.88% | (22:00-24:00)

Mario 3 with a good Power Hour, but a dropoff into the night. Recovers a bit with the day and does really well with the second night vote, for whatever the reason. Mario World's trends were more even, and its best time was the ASV, the only time period it won over Mario 3. FFIV was pretty balanced overall as well, but it was better at night and worse during the day. Sonic 1's best time was the Euro-vote, as expected. Bad first hour and bad last hour though, for whatever the reason.

Yesterday's stats:

Super Mario Bros. 3 – 50.00%
Super Mario World – 49.52%
Final Fantasy IV – 38.57%
Sonic the Hedgehog – 30.74%

Division Stats

Super Mario Bros. 3 – 50.00%
Super Mario World – 49.52%
Final Fantasy IV (Round 1) – 44.57%
Final Fantasy I (Round 1) – 44.11%
Final Fantasy IV (Round 3) – 38.57%
Mega Man 3 (Round 1) – 36.61%
Sonic the Hedgehog (Round 1) – 33.07%
Sonic the Hedgehog (Round 2) – 31.69%
Mega Man 3 (Round 3) – 31.68%
Sonic the Hedgehog (Round 3) – 30.74%
Final Fantasy IV (Round 2) – 30.33%
Street Fighter II (Round 2) – 29.78%
Street Fighter II (Round 1) – 28.19%
Battletoads – 23.00%
Final Fantasy I (Round 2) – 18.94%
River City Ransom (Round 1) – 14.77%
Mega Man 3 (Round 2) – 14.33%
The Secret of Monkey Island (Round 2) – 14.25%
River City Ransom (Round 3) – 12.78%
Civilization – 12.07%
The Secret of Monkey Island (Round 1) – 11.37%
SimCity – 10.46%
River City Ransom (Round 2) – 10.05%
Prince of Persia – 7.25%
Tecmo Super Bowl – 6.83%
Crystalis (Round 1) – 6.53%
Crystalis (Round 3) – 5.65%
Crystalis (Round 2) – 4.44%

Man, that's a lot of adjustments...
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/26/2009 10:05:44 PM | message detail
Tomorrow is going to set up either LttP or Mario 64 pushing for the upset of the contest. Either way, next round looks fun.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 10:06:12 PM | message detail
I still say if you remove Yoshi's Island from that poll, Chrono Trigger beats Mario 64 for reasons no one wants to agree with me on :(

I agree with you. Well, at the very least, it's closer.
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Meeks54 | Posted 5/26/2009 10:06:52 PM | message detail
The best part about CT wining tomorrow, would be that there is absolutely no way that FF VII stands up to this behemouth with CT and FF VI in the poll. FF VII will end the contest with 2 out of 3 losses to Zelda games. Now that will be fun. By the way, is it just me, or is The Legend of Zelda about to win every round 4 match?

LoZ>Mario
ALttP>FF VII
OoT>FF X
TP>Something.


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red sox 777 | Posted 5/26/2009 10:07:05 PM | message detail
And FFVI is rising fast now. I think it can hit 47% on LTTP overnight, maybe even 48% if it continues moving like it's been doing the past 20 minutes.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 10:07:58 PM | message detail
By the way, is it just me, or is The Legend of Zelda about to win every round 4 match?

It's just you.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/26/2009 10:08:47 PM | message detail
TP isn't winning next round unless Brawl completely bombs.
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JonPen1416 | Posted 5/26/2009 10:09:29 PM | message detail
By the way, is it just me, or is The Legend of Zelda about to win every round 4 match?

2k4 Contest flashbacks
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/26/2009 10:09:46 PM | message detail
By the way, is it just me, or is The Legend of Zelda about to win every round 4 match?

Remember what happened the last time Zelda was about to win every round 4 match?

I'd like Zelda to win 2 of them this time instead of 0 though!
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Meeks54 | Posted 5/26/2009 10:13:18 PM | message detail

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #441
TP isn't winning next round unless Brawl completely bombs.


I don't think TP is that far off from Brawl, if it is weaker at all. If that is true, I think the fact that Snake is in both games might shift things just enough for TP to edge Brawl with MGS 4 in the poll. Still, TP is the underdog for sure, and by far the least likely to win But the other 3 matches, those will be fun


Also, if Zelda wins 3 days in a row, TP could easily be bandwagoned, especially since it will immediately follow OoT absolutely massacring it's 3 opponents.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/26/2009 10:14:32 PM | message detail
Yesterday's result absolutely killed the leaderboard and gurus.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/26/2009 10:16:09 PM | message detail
Except TP will also need to beat the must-have game of this generation and a game it didn't exactly dominate. I mean, TP might get second, but I can't see it beating all three of those. If Brawl is close to TP, RE4 or MGS4 should be able to take advantage easily, if not both of them, and if Brawl is stronger, then TP is in deep trouble.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/26/2009 10:21:12 PM | message detail
SI don't think FF6 is embarrassing itself as much as people think. There is some HEAVY Super Nintendo overlap going on here; FF6 is undoubtedly getting hurt by LTTP and Super Metroid.

That makes no sense. The only way to judge that would be through Link's Awakening, and we can't do that for obvious reasons. Aside from LttP, these 3 games are SFFing eachother pretty evenly. I've said since the contest began that FF6 wouldn't be nearly as strong, I think most of us just expected these old games to follow conventional SFF, which they aren't.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/26/2009 10:23:05 PM | message detail
Um, BT.....that's exactly what he said.
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MnMZero | Posted 5/26/2009 10:25:42 PM | message detail

I'd still file Chrono Trigger under "new" Square. Color me a fool.


Nothing wrong with that. A great deal of people (along with myself) played it on the PS1, or they played on roms post-FFVII.
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voltch | Posted 5/26/2009 10:32:11 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #444
Yesterday's result absolutely killed the leaderboard and gurus.


that makes no sense,IV was never gonna be close to say 6 which only would have had a half chance at going through yesterday's match.
after what mario did to the smash series how culd it's top games lose to a third tier FF game,now if it was VIII or X byebye mario but IV has always disapointed character wise and the game never stood out in best FF polls.
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