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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 728

UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/26/2009 2:10:09 PM | message detail
MGS4 and not RE4?
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transients | Posted 5/26/2009 2:11:09 PM | message detail
well, I think MGS4 will beat RE4 handily, so yeah.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 2:11:21 PM | message detail
SMB3 is fighting every update now, and there's only so much World can skyrocket with only FFIV willing to donate percentage. Sonic ruins everything again.
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Smurf FAQs | Posted 5/26/2009 2:12:08 PM | message detail
you stay away from sonic's percentage!!
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Meeks54 | Posted 5/26/2009 2:13:31 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #051
MGS4 and not RE4?




Even after all that has happened, people still don't get that 3 games are a lock for the final, (FF VII, ALttP, OoT) and that only 4 other games have any chance at all to make it there (Pokemon RBY, RE 4, FF X, FF VIII)

I have no idea how after watching MGS 4 people still believe it has a chance at RE 4. I have a tough time seeing MGS 1 going with RE 4 right now, but no way for 4.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 2:14:54 PM | message detail
They're the only games in that poll that share a system and GE's a N64-exclusive that hasn't aged as well for people as it would like.

Only people who didn't really like GoldenEye to begin with say it's aged poorly! It gets a lot of nostalgia votes anyway.

Mario 64 gave CT an unchallenged whoopin' in what was seen as a 1v1 match with two distractions (one glance at SotN and YI's percentages confirm this)

I honestly think YI being in that poll helped Mario 64 if anything. If you add a neutral entry or even a non-Mario Nintendo game, Mario 64's going to be the one that suffers the most.

And calling for Mario 64 to get 44% on FFVII despite GoldenEye is pretty bold. I don't know if Mario 64 could do that in a neutral setting.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/26/2009 2:15:12 PM | message detail
bah, SMB3 is gonna win this. BadtasteFAQs strikes again ...!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 2:16:54 PM | message detail
Wow, best update for Mario 3 in over two hours there.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/26/2009 2:16:59 PM | message detail
More like the hierarchy's unwillingness to break.
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Smurf FAQs | Posted 5/26/2009 2:17:20 PM | message detail
Sonic Cut !!!

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 2:17:40 PM | message detail
Shortest ASV ever.

And calling for Mario 64 to get 44% on FFVII despite GoldenEye is pretty bold.

Bold and daring!
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/26/2009 2:20:29 PM | message detail
I honestly think YI being in that poll helped Mario 64 if anything. If you add a neutral entry or even a non-Mario Nintendo game, Mario 64's going to be the one that suffers the most.

I was arguing for that to affect SMW today after R2, and, well...here it is going toe-to-toe with SMB3. Still, SM64 and SSBB are in similar situations and it might still be a factor for one of them. It's interesting only SM64 out of those three got to smash a weaker game from its own series though; that could be a difference-maker for this theory of mine.

Ah well, with SMW rocking today I'm setting the theory aside until further notice.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 2:20:36 PM | message detail
Nah, these games are just going back and forth right now. Both Mario 3 and Mario World are ASV games. Mario World's is just a little better.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 2:21:51 PM | message detail
I wonder if Mario World is bandwagoning now. We wouldn't know until next round though.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/26/2009 2:21:54 PM | message detail
We need another hour like 3-4 for SMW imho
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/26/2009 2:22:22 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #064
I wonder if Mario World is bandwagoning now. We wouldn't know until next round though.


Always trying to find excuses instead of admitting SMW really is this strong ... !
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 2:23:28 PM | message detail
No, I have no problem with admitting Mario World is strong. The thought just occurred to me as I was reading HaRR's post. This is probably legit, but if Mario World basically kills the poll next round, bandwagoning it is! Which means we could end up with Mario World in the finals. That'd be kinda weird.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/26/2009 2:23:42 PM | message detail
I said 10 minutes into this match (on AIM with KP) that Mario World would be much more likely to get screwed over by Sonic and FF4's presence than Mario 3. I know a lot of you don't buy into three games of the same era making a difference, but I do. I find it hard to believe Mario World couldn't win this match if you removed Sonic/FF4 and put in Zelda 1 and Mario 1, because then you'd have two NES games dragging Mario 3 down. We'll see soon enough.

As for the final, it's a tossup between Brawl, Final Fantasy X and Resident Evil 4. I still think Ocarina of Time going to murder Pokemon (or at least hurt it enough to give MGS or FF8 a *clear* advantage), FFX is largely dependent on what MGS/FF8/Melee can do, and Melee is going to get Ocarina'd. Frankly, the winner of Brawl/RE4 has a bye into the final. Twilight Princess and MGS4 are no threat.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 2:25:42 PM | message detail
Sonic 1 is the same era as both Mario 3 and Mario World, you know. Master Drive and all that.

And I wouldn't count out MGS1 for making the final. MGS4's got a pretty good shot, too, honestly. Brawl's going to get OoT'd.
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transients | Posted 5/26/2009 2:26:07 PM | message detail
if we get FF8 advancing, we could have Melee advancing with OOT thanks to a FF8/FF10 split, which would lead to Brawl/Melee/OOT/?. whatever that ? is would almost definitely be our fourth finalist.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/26/2009 2:26:45 PM | message detail
Master Drive and all that.

Do you mean Master System or Mega Drive? Those are seperate systems
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 2:27:18 PM | message detail
Bah, got them mixed up. Whoops. Sonic 1 was released on an 8-bit system though somewhere!
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/26/2009 2:27:18 PM | message detail
I said 10 minutes into this match (on AIM with KP) that Mario World would be much more likely to get screwed over by Sonic and FF4's presence than Mario 3. I know a lot of you don't buy into three games of the same era making a difference, but I do. I find it hard to believe Mario World couldn't win this match if you removed Sonic/FF4 and put in Zelda 1 and Mario 1, because then you'd have two NES games dragging Mario 3 down. We'll see soon enough.

It's possible, but after watching TP do nothing to RE4 I find it hard to believe. Also these games are over 17 years old and have high playership rates.
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transients | Posted 5/26/2009 2:27:20 PM | message detail
though I'd laugh if RE4 and MGS4 ended up with a fanbase split, leaving us with something like

OOT
Melee
FF8
FF10

Brawl
TP
MGS4
RE4

OOT
Melee
Brawl
TP

most ridiculous final 8 ever.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/26/2009 2:27:49 PM | message detail
Let the fourth game be LoZ:TP, just for kicks.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/26/2009 2:28:04 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #072
Bah, got them mixed up. Whoops. Sonic 1 was released on an 8-bit system though somewhere!


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Smurf FAQs | Posted 5/26/2009 2:28:31 PM | message detail
I love me some Master Drive
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 2:28:50 PM | message detail
OOT
Melee
Brawl
TP

Wow, I wonder how that would even go. There's the Melee vs. Brawl matchup we've been waiting for!
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Smurf FAQs | Posted 5/26/2009 2:30:24 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #076
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First game I ever owned. <3

Pretty sure it was released after the Genesis version primarily as a Game Gear title which could double up on the Master System.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/26/2009 2:30:35 PM | message detail
TP
RE4
Brawl
MGS4


This is going to be an absolutely brutal match.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 2:31:34 PM | message detail
MGS4 and RE4 both advance. TP's not going to fold like Galaxy did.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 2:35:09 PM | message detail
Mario 3's biggest lead in about an hour fifteen minutes. I think it's gonna win, but there's still plenty of time.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/26/2009 2:36:06 PM | message detail
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/26/2009 2:36:15 PM | message detail
TP
RE4
Brawl
MGS4


This is going to be an absolutely brutal match.


If RE4 > TP and LoZ > SMB3 along with other things happens I think I could win this contest.

>_>
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/26/2009 2:36:45 PM | message detail
smw outrallies wow count on it
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/26/2009 2:36:52 PM | message detail
Some of us might not want to wait to rally till the very end for SMW.

Since you know, it might be too late then.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/26/2009 2:37:08 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #085
smw outrallies wow count on it


Lets hope so!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/26/2009 2:37:33 PM | message detail
That's not a difficult task, HaRR!
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Meeks54 | Posted 5/26/2009 2:39:26 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #068
I said 10 minutes into this match (on AIM with KP) that Mario World would be much more likely to get screwed over by Sonic and FF4's presence than Mario 3. I know a lot of you don't buy into three games of the same era making a difference, but I do. I find it hard to believe Mario World couldn't win this match if you removed Sonic/FF4 and put in Zelda 1 and Mario 1, because then you'd have two NES games dragging Mario 3 down. We'll see soon enough.

As for the final, it's a tossup between Brawl, Final Fantasy X and Resident Evil 4. I still think Ocarina of Time going to murder Pokemon (or at least hurt it enough to give MGS or FF8 a *clear* advantage), FFX is largely dependent on what MGS/FF8/Melee can do, and Melee is going to get Ocarina'd. Frankly, the winner of Brawl/RE4 has a bye into the final. Twilight Princess and MGS4 are no threat.




You really think OoT is going to take apart Pokemon (the most independent Nintendo franchise) over BRAWL? The very heart of Nintendo? How does that work?
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/26/2009 2:46:30 PM | message detail
Besides, honestly, I think most of us were more sure on Samus beating Mario than we were about FF2/4 advancing in today's situation because we haven't had a BGE in the past five years and this format is just too hard to REALLY predict right.

I'm not lumping this with Mario/Samus, but I don't believe this. HM and yoblazer and yourself were quite adamant about FFIV advancing - I believe HM said he'd be "shocked" otherwise and you guaranteed FFIV would advance in 725. Don't make me go quote hunting!

I don't know why Zelda 1 suddenly looks good next round - if there's any LFF here, it's extraordinarily minimal. Why should there suddenly be massive overlap next round, and have another Nintendo game escape it to advance, when FFIV can do absolutely nothing here? To call for massive Mario LFF was suspect before today but is downright silly at this point. Zelda 1 will do better because it's clearly stronger than FFIV, but why on earth should it beat Mario 3 or World or both?
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transients | Posted 5/26/2009 2:48:10 PM | message detail
well, I think FF4 is pretty weak. I think Zelda would be notable enough to take advantage of it.

I can see why you'd be skeptical but all I have to see is Mario/Mario/Mario/Zelda to say "oh hey, Zelda wins."
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 2:48:13 PM | message detail
ZELDA vs. IT'S FRIGGIN MARIO

Been waiting five years.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 2:49:14 PM | message detail
Personally, I can't wait to see the ways people cook up in which to give Zelda a picture disadvantage against three of the same thing.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/26/2009 2:49:44 PM | message detail

From: transients | #091
well, I think FF4 is pretty weak. I think Zelda would be notable enough to take advantage of it.

I can see why you'd be skeptical but all I have to see is Mario/Mario/Mario/Zelda to say "oh hey, Zelda wins."


Mario/Mario/Mario Proxy/Final Fantasy

easy pick no?
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/26/2009 2:52:17 PM | message detail
Mario/Mario/Mario Proxy/Final Fantasy

Yes because a Mario Proxy wouldn't have lost to Street Fighter II.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/26/2009 2:52:36 PM | message detail
That seems an awful lot like Mario/Mario/Final Fantasy/platformer oh hey Final Fantasy wins.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 2:55:02 PM | message detail
Eh, Zelda has some inherent advantages, such as being a much stronger game than FFIV and almost assuredly going into the match with a picture disadvantage or at least a damned decent picture oh hay prove me wrong guys please I want to see some time paradox'd TINGLE
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 2:55:44 PM | message detail
Picture advantage. For Pete's sake, it's like I now subconsciously believe the picture will screw Zelda over.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/26/2009 2:56:58 PM | message detail
Indirectly what do you guys give SMB3/SMW against SMB?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/26/2009 2:58:02 PM | message detail
I dunno, 55%? It's not like the original Mario has done anything other than impress.
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