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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 726

Gaddswell | Posted 5/25/2009 12:33:22 AM | message detail
Whoa, 15 minute long tie between Tetris and Mega Man.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/25/2009 1:20:51 AM | message detail
Ah, tomorrow is quite the debated match, featuring four masterpieces, and three of them have a chance at placing and winning. For a while I thought Final Fantasy IV was going to be able to repeat its first round performance, which would mean 1st place with three Nintendo games splitting votes with each other. But you have to ask yourself a question: why did Super Mario World do so darn well in its last match? Yep, I think Final Fantasy IV overlaps with Nintendo quite a bit! Even if you don't believe in Same Year SFF or SNES Launch Title SFF (yeah, Mario World and Final Fantasy IV were both SNES launch titles, I hope you guys knew that), it's possible that a good deal of FFIV's fans came in with the DS version, which would mean BEATING FROM MARIO WORLD FTW. I don't think Mario 3 will SFF it quite as badly, but I don't see FFIV catching up to Mario World. At the same time, Mario 3 will SFF Mario World and Sonic 1 will fall flat on its face. I'm too lazy to call the percentages very accurately so I'm just going the route of 40-30-20-10.

Prediction: Super Mario Bros. 3 > Super Mario World
Super Mario Bros. 3 - 40%, Sonic the Hedgehog - 10%, Super Mario World - 30%, Final Fantasy IV - 20%
Bracket: Super Mario Bros. 3 > Street Fighter II (oops)
Favorites: Super Mario Bros. 3 > Super Mario World (but these are all top 50 material in my eyes)
Favorites Bracket: Super Mario Bros. 3 > Super Mario World
consolefreak | Posted 5/25/2009 2:39:39 AM | message detail
The only way I see FFIV advancing tomorrow is if SMB3 SFF's SMW a good bit. Which is surely possible, but I'd call SMW the favourite at this point.

And I gotta say that match pic makes me pretty sceptical about FF's chances as well; it's just not visible.
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voltch | Posted 5/25/2009 3:29:51 AM | message detail
slow days,last few matches haven't offered much to talk about it seems.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/25/2009 4:08:57 AM | message detail
The rest of round 3 is going to be a tossup. Hm...

Day 50: Does FFIV benefit from a three-way Nintendo split, or does its fanbase overlap with Nintendo as a result of the DS port (speaking of which, I wonder if the old-school Square titles' fanbases overlap with Nintendo somewhat. FFIV's does perhaps.)?
Day 51: Who wins between Zelda 3 and FFVI? And does Super Metroid beat Link's Awakening (like it should)?
Day 52: Who wins between Super Mario 64 and Chrono Trigger? Does Mario 64 get hurt enough by GoldenEye for CT to advance? (BTW I think GoldenEye would've beaten Mario 64 in 2004; it's just now with an over-saturation of FPSs that the common opinion of GoldenEye being almost unplayable due to aging badly has risen and GoldenEye has probably lost strength; that could also explain the widespread bombing of FPSs in the tourney)
Day 53: Does Pokemon resist SFF? And who wins between Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy VIII? And finally, does Zelda 64 prove that it's still in the race for contest champ?
Day 54: Does Diablo II take advantage of being the only non-Squintendo game? And how much does SSBM rise now that it's free of Wind Waker (BTW I think Paper Mario should've been replaced with ICO).
Day 55: Who wins the MGS3/Zelda: TP/RE4 extravaganza?
Day 56: Who wins between Call of Duty 4 and Fallout 3? And does Metal Gear Solid 4 get SFFd by Brawl?
charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 5:32:55 AM | message detail
Day 56: Who wins between Call of Duty 4 and Fallout 3? And does Metal Gear Solid 4 get SFFd by Brawl?

I'd expect FO3/CoD4 to LFF MGS4 before SSBB SFF.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256
red sox 777 | Posted 5/25/2009 5:45:59 AM | message detail
Zelda held up better overnight than last round, and looks ready to stall Mario now as the morning vote picks up. It should win hours once we get to the afternoon/evening.

Current projection based on last round: Super Mario Bros. wins with 51.42%.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/25/2009 6:38:43 AM | message detail
Anyone think this might be a case of voters following the results and going "Well, SMB already dominated last round...might as well vote Zelda."

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/25/2009 6:58:42 AM | message detail
@charmander6000: Fallout 3 won't LFF Metal Gear Solid 4, that much I know for sure. Call of Duty 4 probably won't either.

No undeserving games except for Diablo II made round 3. I'm...happy about that.
charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 6:59:54 AM | message detail
I don't expect Brawl to SFF MGS4 either. It might win by a bit more than the GotY poll, but nothing like MGS4/FO3.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/25/2009 7:13:58 AM | message detail
Well, I also don't expect SSBB to SFF MGS4. As a matter of fact, I have MGS4 > SSBB in my bracket, though consider that I had Super Mario Galaxy making it to the match.

So far the only games I picked to get to round 4 that are already out are Street Fighter II, Halo, and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.
nintendogirl1 | Posted 5/25/2009 7:16:08 AM | message detail
Only guaranteed points lost for me are those as a result of MM3, and that was never anything but a really sexy upset pick.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 7:51:22 AM | message detail
I know, despite my terrible round 2 all my picks are at least in the match.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256
nintendogirl1 | Posted 5/25/2009 7:57:43 AM | message detail
Yeah, the only match other then that definitely won't happen is FFX > SSBM. Take MP out and put KH in and that match looks all kinds of different now.

:/
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 8:00:58 AM | message detail
Well I have LoZ > SMB today again, I'm nervous about SMB3 > SMW, I don't think FFVII > CT will happen and OoT > MGS should be close.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256
red sox 777 | Posted 5/25/2009 8:08:10 AM | message detail
Let's see...

LoZ > SMB: Not happening.
SMB3 > SMW: I feel pretty good about this, definitely better than I felt after round 1.
LTTP > FFVI: LTTP and FFVI's chances looks about even to me.
FFVII > CT: Match of the contest, CT is a slight underdog in my eyes.
OOT > Starcraft: Starcraft's bandwagon never got the chance to get started....
SSBM > FFX: As guaranteed as this round is going to get.
TP > RE4: Looks good.
SSBB > MGS4: Looks good.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/25/2009 9:19:33 AM | message detail
these matches recently love their day long stalls
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/25/2009 9:23:39 AM | message detail
Hey, not bad by Zelda. Mario 1 is pretty much the ultimate "who the hell cares" game, so once you get more well-known stuff in the poll is looks worse and worse. I think I'd actually take Zelda 1 > Mario 1 in a 1 v 1 match based on this result.
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transience | Posted 5/25/2009 9:28:38 AM | message detail
I definitely wouldn't. Zelda is more like a 'who the hell cares' game than Mario 1, really. all that's happening here is that you're adding a respected influential game (Mario 1) and a platformer (Mario 1), leaving Zelda as a bit of a unique option.

1v1 I'd probably take Mario 1 with over 55%. maybe 60.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/25/2009 9:30:24 AM | message detail
I'd easily take Mario 1 over Zelda 1. Zelda 1 didn't have the respect or influence Mario 1 had, and I'm sure ist mainly just franchise votes anyway. Its kinda like FF1. So at least Mario 1 has votes being the game that made Nintendo what it is, so that should put it over the top
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 9:59:56 AM | message detail
Time | SMB
1:00 | 53.33%
2:00 | 52.86%
3:00 | 52.00%
4:00 | 55.10%
5:00 | 50.71%
6:00 | 54.66%
7:00 | 53.18%
8:00 | 54.61%
9:00 | 51.97%
10:00 | 52.98%
11:00 | 52.03%
12:00 | 51.10%
13:00 | 49.96%

So does everyone in the US have the day off? I guess the ASV will feature mostly Canadians.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/25/2009 10:04:05 AM | message detail
Yeah its a national holiday for America
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/25/2009 10:07:25 AM | message detail
I do not see how FF2/4 doesn't advance tomorrow unless FF2/4 is indirectly equal to FF, SMB3/SMW split right down the middle, and both are still legitimately stronger than FF2/4 despite each other (and Sonic).

Now this is entirely conjecture and not rooted in stats at all, but I'm getting another "It's friggin' MARIO!" feel about tomorrow's match. I could see Mario 3 + Mario World absolutely dominate the match tomorrow.

I think I'd actually take Zelda 1 > Mario 1 in a 1 v 1 match based on this result.

Considering Zelda 1 is still losing, I don't think that's the best thing to do. The only way Zelda 1 beats Mario 1 is by adding another Mario game into the mix. Lucky for Zelda 1, that's exactly what happens next round.

I'll be interested to see how Zelda 1 stands up to FFIV though, if it DOES go through.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 10:14:16 AM | message detail
FFIV better be eliminated tomorrow. I need all the help I can get for LoZ > SMB3 to happen next round.

I'm going with FF gets franchise votes and will appear to be weaker in this format (round 1 doesn't count since the two games only got a combine 17.5% with rallying) and SMW resists SFF making LFF the only factor.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/25/2009 10:16:06 AM | message detail
Eh, I don't think LoZ beats Mario 3 next round. It's not like it completely escapes the SFF hammer itself. It just won't get hit as hard.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/25/2009 10:17:05 AM | message detail
If FF4 advances, there is no way it doesn't get first next round in that SFF cluster****
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/25/2009 10:18:26 AM | message detail
Zelda is already doing a great job here. Seriously, against three Mario games. It would kill that match.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 10:19:55 AM | message detail
I don't know I think SMB3 would defeat LoZ worse than it did back in 2004.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/25/2009 10:20:34 AM | message detail
It's doing a great job against the weakest Mario between Mario 3, Mario World, and Mario 1. It's not going to kill that match, I don't think. It's still going to get SFF'd. Not as much as the other three, so that might be enough for it to advance. I need to see how well Mario World holds up to Mario 3 tomorrow.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/25/2009 10:22:24 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1181

I hate to bring up an old poll like this, but Mario 3 still gets over 30% of the vote with all those Mario games there. I think it can hold up well enough against two Mario games to still beat Zelda 1.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 10:26:08 AM | message detail
The problem with an all Mario poll is that we don't know how well they perform against other opposition. Sure SMB3 will crush the series, but throw something like Street Fighter II in and I could see it winning the poll or at least coming a lot closer than it should.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/25/2009 10:26:57 AM | message detail
I couldn't see SFII winning that poll.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/25/2009 10:28:07 AM | message detail
Keep in mind that we have yet to see a Mario vs. Mario poll yet, so it's all speculation.

Yes, I'm willing to completely ignore SM64/YI because I love you guys that much.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/25/2009 10:30:06 AM | message detail
Heh, honestly, if you put a non-Mario game in that poll, CT probably beats Mario 64.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/25/2009 10:30:24 AM | message detail
A non-Mario Nintendo game, that is. Although it could be true either way.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 10:30:56 AM | message detail
I couldn't see SFII winning that poll.

How do you know? While Mario fans are trying to pick one of 10 options Street Fighter II fans only have one choice.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256
charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 10:32:16 AM | message detail
Heh, honestly, if you put a non-Mario game in that poll, CT probably beats Mario 64.

SMB3/SMW are going to amplify their strength to win the contest!
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256
transience | Posted 5/25/2009 10:33:18 AM | message detail
get ready for some FF7/Mario 3/Mario World/Mario 64
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/25/2009 10:33:28 AM | message detail
I'm just saying that Mario 64 was able to steal a lot more votes from Yoshi's Island than it would from, say, Earthbound.

Remember: When did MMX get closer to Mario? With Luigi in the poll or with Zelda in the poll?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/25/2009 10:34:04 AM | message detail
get ready for some FF7/Mario 3/Mario World/Mario 64

...

Aw yeah
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 10:35:07 AM | message detail
Opps didn't see the Nintendo game part in the next post.

I agree.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/25/2009 10:37:34 AM | message detail
You know, I just realized that despite my bracket doing awful for the first two rounds, no game I have advancing to the next round has been eliminated yet.

That could change tomorrow though. Mario 3 > Mario World come on! The only other game I really have to worry about not making it is CT.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 10:39:37 AM | message detail
Same here though I do have LoZ > SMB today so it won't be a perfect round.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/25/2009 10:40:17 AM | message detail
Well, it probably won't be a perfect round for me either because I have LTTP > FFVI later on. I guess it's still possible...
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transience | Posted 5/25/2009 10:44:41 AM | message detail
now that the morning vote's down, we have a massive stall. pretty impressive after last round. I guess my logic of Tetris/MM2 hurting Mario 1 more was sound, or it's a complete coincidence.

big match tomorrow. lookin' forward to this.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/25/2009 10:45:42 AM | message detail
Double stall in fact xD
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/25/2009 10:56:58 AM | message detail
Over the last 2 hours and 15 minutes, Zelda has cut 4 votes. Going by last round, once we get later into the afternoon, this stall is going to turn into cuts. As Canadian schools are still open, there may be a slight ASV too, which would favor Zelda.

Current Projection: SMB wins with 51.26%.

That's the best the projection has looked for Zelda all day.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/25/2009 11:04:38 AM | message detail
Actually, I think Zelda is going to win more hours than Mario this match. This next hour should be the most difficult- it went up after 3 last round and continued to slowly rise for the rest of the match, so it can pull off another win this hour (it's won the last 2), it should beat Mario 13 to 11 in hours won.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 11:07:01 AM | message detail
I don't know Canada supported SMB more than LoZ, the ASV could favour SMB this time.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256
charmander6000 | Posted 5/25/2009 11:09:21 AM | message detail
In fact the only country that favoured Zelda (percent-wise) was US and they're having weekend trends today.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > SMB Points: 171/256