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SMRPG is no FF7 -- FF7 sold much more, to the point where it was a huge factor in the system-wars between the N64 and PS1. While SMRPG got RPGs past the front door, FF7 broke down the wall.
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BT > Harrich
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no, Super Mario RPG did. It was the first million seller rpg in america

Being the first million seller doesn't mean it made RPGs mainstream. RPGs as a genre didn't start taking off until FFVII.
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Eh, I think with remakes and emulation the idea that Chrono Trigger predated FFVII is mostly unimportant. They're both solid square RPGs.

With things like Sonic 2 vs Sonic Adventure Battle 2 Hyper Remix Machina Ex - Round 7 you have a fundamental difference in the gameplay and the story of the games that really causes a rift in the fanbase.
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And Mario RPG sold a million copies because of the Mario name, not because it was an RPG. It didn't really push the genre forward. Mario RPG was the first RPG I played, and I still didn't care about RPGs until I played FFVII.
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I'm not trying to argue that SMRPG was as big of an impact as FF7. It was no where near it. Just that it was the first major rpg success in America. FF7 just made jrpgs absolutely huge.
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Eh, I think with remakes and emulation the idea that Chrono Trigger predated FFVII is mostly unimportant. They're both solid square RPGs.

It doesn't really matter that CT predated FFVII. What matters is that FFVII basically established a whole new generation of RPG fans.
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Just that it was the first major rpg success in America. FF7 just made jrpgs absolutely huge.

And there's the difference. Mario RPG was successful, no doubt, but it didn't make the genre successful.
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Yes, and my point is that generation, for the most part, has probably played CT as well.
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I think we agree SMRPG was a stepping stone to making RPGs popular. RPGs in general were not popular or readily accepted until FF7 though.
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BT > Harrich
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I thought the original FF was the first million seller. Surprising to learn it wasn't the case. Still, FF7 IS pretty much the one that codified the JRPG and made it accessible to the masses. Comparins SMRPG/FF7 is like comparing Wolfenstein/Doom: Wolf brought attention to the genre, but it didn't take off until Doom.

Not sure original FF sales, but none of the SNES FFs topped 500k in America, so I would be surprised if original did.
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Most Chrono Trigger fans on this site are probably people who played FFVII and then emulated CT (or bought it for the PS/DS), and the people who were fans of Square from the SNES days were the first people to switch brand loyalties to the PS1 for FFVII. There should be a ton of overlap there.
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Final version.

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And as far as RPGs go, SMRPG as a stepping stone and FF7 as the gate opener is the right idea.

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I'd fiddle with the titles a bit still and maybe blur the lines between pictures ever so slightly.
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Like this?

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I just thought it ended up looking ugly.

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whoa, what's up with Link's hair in that LttP pic?
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That's a bit much. Some something to soften up the transitions because the sudden difference bothers me.\

But that might just be me.
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Oh yeah and what the hell at blond hair. Give me back my pink.
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I remember EGM did an article on the "RPG revolution" way back when. There was an interview with some game producer (I forget who) and he credited two games for the newfound popularity (Mario RPG and FFVII) by saying something along the lines of, "One looked like a good game and one was a good game."

I still wonder which game is which.
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Kinda like this is what I had in mind for the blur. It's not that noticeable, but it helps soften up the lines a bit.
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There. Titles are centered. *Now* I will submit it.

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NO PINK HAIR NO SALE
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Honestly, I can't even notice the difference between the blur and un-blurred pic without examining it. It just doesn't bug me, I guess.

I'll submit a version like that too and let Bacon decide.

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TOO LATE

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From: KamikazePotato | #216
Like this?

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I just thought it ended up looking ugly.

I think it looks better. Awesome pic by the way, though i would have a preferred a better character for FFVI.
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BT > Harrich
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contest pics and discussion'd

sweet show by Brawl here. still a lol-worthy Galaxy performance. I think the most interesting thing though is how bad COD4 is doing.
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xyzzy

Brawl is certainly *smashing* the competition to say the least.

But honestly, the game has a lot of replay value, and its not from online play either like IGenisis accused me of implying. Boss Battles im still not done the challenges on it (stuck on trying to complete Intense mode bosses, Damn you Porky and your instant ko rush attack!).
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One day I'm going to make a video called "how to make match pictures" so you guys can just make whatever you want.
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I forgot how good Brawl's music library is. And even though subspace emissary sucked it sure produced some bad ass moments in a few of those scenes. Thanks dominant beat down for making me go back and play around!
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Adding some scenes for travelling and some that were deleted (Meta Knight losing his ship) and Brawl could be the ultimate silent movie
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Ah yes the music! How could i forget that?!

I just loved some of the music they had here.

For the Fire Emblem stage, i always loved "Winning Road, Roy's hope".

Music can bring back many vivid memories of past games like the "Space Armada" music on the Lylat Cruise stage.

Of course if you want pure nostalgia, nothing beats the "Airship Fortress theme Super Mario Bros. 3".
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Brawl will likely end up about 41%. Amazing performance if I do say so. Call of Duty 4 proved last round it wasn't a chump, so to get 62% on it is very very good.
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sweet show by Brawl here. still a lol-worthy Galaxy performance. I think the most interesting thing though is how bad COD4 is doing.

Galaxy really got screwed in it's placement. I think D/P sapped votes away from it in Round 1 and right now Brawl is kicking Galaxy's ass. I was always wondering if SSB would SFF any strong Nintendo games it faced. Watching SSB trash TWW and Galaxy seems to prove it right. Shame for my bracket because I picked based on the assumption it wouldn't.

CoD4 did a lot better than everyone expected, though if there was no Nintendo SFF we could gauge it's strength more accurately. It would get creamed in a match with one strong Nintendo game and two fodder games.
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Today's Subliminal Thought Is:

There's no shame in admitting SMG bombed. It sucks, because the game is probably the biggest comeback since the Wii (the console has managed to make Nintendo the number one company again, much as the so called "hardcore gamers" might not like it), and has made Mario legit in the eyes of many again. The thing should have been a powerhouse that made it to Round 4 at least, but you can't always get what you want.

Call of Duty 4 looks pretty bad here if you ask me. 38% on Brawl is worse than Half-Life 2 on Twilight Princess (39%) or Diablo II on Melee (40%). And Half-Life 2, at least, didn't have the benefit of two Nintendo games in the poll, though I don't think Galaxy is hurting Brawl much at all.
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yep, I agree. tough to say how much is due to Brawl being badass or COD4 being blah. I think it's a bit of both. COD4 got massively overrated last round because we wanted to think Galaxy was worth something.
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Would anyone take Call of Duty 4 over Half-Life 2?
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I figured new Nintendo (which really just means Melee/TP/Brawl/Galaxy) would have worse splits than old Nintendo (where we really haven't seen much) just because the playrates would be lower...but Brawl isn't being hurt seemingly at all and even Galaxy is only doing about 6% worse on Brawl than the first round says it should.

(Incidentally, CoD4 puts Galaxy below round 1 GTAIV, though above this rounds since Brawl is inexplicably doing better. That would have been quite the slap in the face, if Brawl and Galaxy switched fourpacks.)
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Would anyone take Call of Duty 4 over Half-Life 2?

I would.
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Today's Subliminal Thought Is:

Funny thought: if SSBM:SSBB as Halo:CoD4, then can we consider something funny happening today since we saw Halo lose bad to D2 with SSBM in the poll?
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BT > Harrich
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I was wondering if someone would mention that. I don't think so, but you never know.

COD4 vs. HL2 is a tossup. I don't think Brawl vs. TP is a match you'd look at using stats though.
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Incidentally, CoD4 puts Galaxy below round 1 GTAIV, though above this rounds since Brawl is inexplicably doing better.

I wouldn't say it's inexplicable. I think GTA IV did better than it normally would due to a lack of competition.
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SMG also had D/P in its match, so the stats will naturally under-rate it anyway. It would have been nice to see a clear read on it to really see what SSBB's doing today.
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BT > Harrich
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Even without DP, Galaxy would still probably lose to CoD4.
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I too am looking forward very much to the FFVII/CT/SM64/GE match. Anything can happen really, there is so much to find out, and this has the potential to be the best match in years. I have a few bold predictions:

1. Goldeneye does not get SFF'd into the ground or Last Place Factored a lot. Mario 64 will hurt it some, but it stood up to OOT much better than Mario 64 did, starting from a presumably lower level, so it can probably pull off respectability here. Going by last round, I'd guess it could break 40% on the FFVII of today 1v1- it put up 33% while being hurt by triple LFF.

2. SM64 and CT both outdo CT's 2004 result against FFVII (41.76%). I was thinking of making this more bold and saying they'd both outdo 44%, but that's rather unlikely. The probability of at least one of them doing that is pretty decent though, I think.

3. Both SM64 and CT do break 44% on FFVII in North America, and accordingly both of them win the ASV over FFVII. This is not as shocking as it sounds. Vincent went about even with Crono in the ASV in 2005, beat him pretty badly in 2007, and barely won it last year. Since last year, FFVII in general has struggled with the ASV, usually peaking before the ASV instead of at the end of the match. Look at the last 2 rounds, or any of the characters last year. Ignoring CT's first round match due to questionable opponents, CT put up its best day vote performance since 2005 against SM64, losing only 3% from its peak to a game with a strong day vote.

4. FFVII breaks 45% in Europe. This is the flip side of #3- if its day vote has gotten weaker, its late night vote has become stronger than ever. It's up against 3 very America-oriented games- Nintendo is normally bad at Europe, and the N64 had very unbalanced sales, with high American sales and poor sales everywhere else. CT is of course CT and no explanation is needed of its horribleness in Europe. FFVII is going to dominate this poll for a couple hours overnight.

By now it's pretty clear that I think FFVII has fallen quite a lot since 2004. I don't think, however, that OOT would beat it easily or that the match would not be close, and indeed I think FFVII has a decent shot of winning. The thing is that FFVII can be quite a bit weaker than it was in 2004 and still beat OOT. It doesn't have to put up 2k4 FFVII-like numbers to stay in contention for the championship.
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Because of the 4 way contest, I think we're almost guaranteed to have another Nintendo game represented in the finals, and that will most likely just hand the title over to FFVII.
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Today's pick: SSB Brawl > Call of Duty 4

it's all on FF10 or FF8 to storm to the finals. that's OOT's chance at a win.
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