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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 722

UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/20/2009 9:08:57 PM | message detail
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~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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SHINE GET 64 | Posted 5/20/2009 9:09:26 PM | message detail
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/20/2009 9:10:01 PM | message detail
Zelos Wilder

Biggest Awesome Character : Contest Strength disparity ever

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Gr8CyberMonkey | Posted 5/20/2009 9:10:35 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 5/21/2009 12:10:01 AM | #003
Biggest Awesome Character : Contest Strength disparity ever


Laharl
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BrettEagles | Posted 5/20/2009 9:12:27 PM | message detail
INFERIOR BEINGS!!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 9:16:30 PM | message detail
Biggest Awesome Character : Contest Strength disparity ever

Squall Leonhart.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 9:40:28 PM | message detail
Time | Halo 2 | MGS3 | Okami | WoW | Demographic
EBV | 21.08% | 36.62% | 19.79% | 22.52% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 21.40% | 36.34% | 18.78% | 23.47% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 19.42% | 36.30% | 19.47% | 24.82% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 18.13% | 36.38% | 20.86% | 24.63% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 22.91% | 34.20% | 18.56% | 24.34% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 23.46% | 35.19% | 18.11% | 23.24% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 22.94% | 35.38% | 18.41% | 23.27% | (22:00-24:00)


Aw yeah, ToS!
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Gaddswell | Posted 5/20/2009 9:41:05 PM | message detail
Symphonia up again!

Wonder how many lead changes we'll get from these 3.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/20/2009 9:41:25 PM | message detail
Damn ToS ralliers

WoW should take some notes.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/20/2009 9:41:28 PM | message detail
Yeah, wow is really balanced. Goes down a tiny bit during the asv, but fine otherwise.
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transience | Posted 5/20/2009 9:41:53 PM | message detail
Warcraft looks pretty balanced. it held up pretty well considering Halo 2 was in the poll.

MGS3 looks all right here - pretty much what you'd expect.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 9:42:04 PM | message detail
That was a weekend match, for the record.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 5/20/2009 9:42:04 PM | message detail
Symphonia really doesnt want Oblivion to advance, its fighting tooth and nail for 2nd.
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Advanced_Koko8 | Posted 5/20/2009 9:42:45 PM | message detail
Now where is the Elder Scrolls Rally?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 9:42:50 PM | message detail
And it's looking like WoW, Halo 2, SA, GoW, Oblivion, and ToS are all in the same general area, and Okami isn't that far behind. This might be the most balanced eight-pack we've ever seen.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/20/2009 9:43:39 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #015
And it's looking like WoW, Halo 2, SA, GoW, Oblivion, and ToS are all in the same general area, and Okami isn't that far behind. This might be the most balanced eight-pack we've ever seen.


Gotta hand it to bacon for that 8pack at least. It has given some damn good matches
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Lopen | Posted 5/20/2009 9:45:00 PM | message detail
Psh. You think Bacon knew? He lucked into that one.
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transience | Posted 5/20/2009 9:45:17 PM | message detail
meh, bring on tomorrow's slugfest
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/20/2009 9:45:24 PM | message detail
We really, really need some sort of notice that says THIS WAS A WEEKEND MATCH on the contest updater site.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 9:45:27 PM | message detail
ToS might be able to hold on until the Power Hour ends, at least.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/20/2009 9:45:42 PM | message detail
wow really needs to start showing some life here
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Gaddswell | Posted 5/20/2009 9:45:46 PM | message detail
Well it's about time something got to 20 votes!
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Yesmar | Posted 5/20/2009 9:45:48 PM | message detail
"Oh dear me, all this rushing around appears to have disrupted my tea."
"Quite right, my fellow sprawling friend."
"Taste the pain of this 'inferior' tea as you burn in hell!!!!"

"Well now, that was uncalled for."
"Indubitably."

"Excuse me, waiter, there's a snake in my tea."
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/20/2009 9:46:09 PM | message detail
Nothing interesting here.

WoW should take the night better than Oblivion or ToS
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 9:46:31 PM | message detail
SOME DAYS YOU'LL FEED ON A TREE FROOOOOOOOOOOOOOG!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/20/2009 9:46:58 PM | message detail
Talking about WoW night vote

How much does it need to be safe? and remember, neither ToS nor Oblivion are day monsters nor is WoW bad at the day
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 9:47:38 PM | message detail
If WoW can build any sort of substantial lead, it's safe. Heck, if any of these games can do it, they're safe.

And by substantial, I mean something like 700-1000.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/20/2009 9:49:00 PM | message detail
rate my purchases :


Punch-Out!! -49.99(new)
Madworld - 29.99(new)
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Lopen | Posted 5/20/2009 9:50:16 PM | message detail
I wouldn't say you can get much out of ToS's or Oblivion's day vote from last round, and if anything it makes them look good with it more than "not anything special." Remember when everyone was saying God of War was gonna dominate ToS with the day vote?
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WarThaHedgehog | Posted 5/20/2009 9:50:22 PM | message detail
Punch-Out

12/10
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 5/20/2009 9:50:32 PM | message detail
Well, the good news for ToS is that Oblivion's trends are completely different so far from round 1. It steadily gained percentage after the freeze there, and it's steadily lost it here. Still think ToS has the worst chance to advance here by far, but it's not completely dead.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/20/2009 9:50:43 PM | message detail
horrible update
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 9:50:58 PM | message detail
Now Oblivion and ToS are kicking it into gear while WoW stalls.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/20/2009 9:50:59 PM | message detail
WoW may stay in last for the full hour.
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Lopen | Posted 5/20/2009 9:51:40 PM | message detail
WoW's out of juice.

Long live Symphonia.
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WarThaHedgehog | Posted 5/20/2009 9:51:56 PM | message detail
Justice and love will always prevail!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 9:52:36 PM | message detail
Victory...
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/20/2009 9:52:44 PM | message detail
oh btw, expect 8-9 AM to possibly be a good hour for WoW. Servers are gonig down an hour then for matinence.
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PreseaCombatir | Posted 5/20/2009 9:52:48 PM | message detail
Goodness and love will always win!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/20/2009 9:52:49 PM | message detail
Weird trends. At this point last round ToS had completely lost steam and was losing big updates to Oblivion.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 9:53:54 PM | message detail
And man, Elder Scroll fanboys are whining yet again. They're a small but vocal bunch.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/20/2009 9:54:28 PM | message detail
well its a great game. If WoW wasn't here, I'd fully support it!
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transience | Posted 5/20/2009 9:55:00 PM | message detail
yeah, they're brutal. Castlevania ones are pretty bad too.
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Gr8CyberMonkey | Posted 5/20/2009 9:55:37 PM | message detail
ToS kicking ass
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/20/2009 9:55:40 PM | message detail
Hey maybe WoW can avoid last.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2009 9:55:47 PM | message detail
ToS gets its biggest lead of the match. What's going on here?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/20/2009 9:55:48 PM | message detail
*checks board*

...Ugh. Makes me feel bad to be an Oblivion fan.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/20/2009 9:56:15 PM | message detail
The ToS night vote strikes again

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/20/2009 9:56:33 PM | message detail
God, what is up with Elder Scrolls' fanbase? These people cry so much.
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Lopen | Posted 5/20/2009 9:56:35 PM | message detail
Strange that ToS would have totally different trends this time around. Then again, it happened with Metroid/Mario Kart to some degree as well.

Who cares. Go Symphonia go!
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