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...That's what I said.

I apparently can't read today.

>_>

Sorry about that, but yeah WW has no chance tomorrow.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: FFX > GTA: VC Points: 141/208

From: charmander6000 | #250
Since when is GTA's ASV terrible? It's more average than bad.

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If you notice, it normally goes down during asv time
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Diablo is not going anywhere. Halo does not have a GTA or KOTOR leeching votes from it
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And Diablo doesn't have KOTOR leeching from it, and SSBM hurting halo does make sense due to both being big mutlipalyer games
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If you notice, it normally goes down during asv time

That's a bit unfair all six opponents are known for being at least half decent during the ASV.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: FFX > GTA: VC Points: 141/208

And Diablo doesn't have KOTOR leeching from it, and SSBM hurting halo does make sense due to both being big mutlipalyer games

While the same genre Diablo and KotOR are quite different and I'm not sure, but around here Halo and Melee don't really mix, sure people will play both, but they tend to prefer one or the other.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: FFX > GTA: VC Points: 141/208

Wow, either KH is impressing or MGS2 is disappointing.

Or all 4 games are hurt the same with PS2 SFF.

Or MGS2 and VC are turbofodder.

Shame that MGS3 is doing better despite being clearly being the worst MGS game.
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I dont see SSBM looking nearly as strong as it did in round 1. It had by far the easiest competition in the 2001-2003 bracket
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"As a rule, men worry more about what they can't see than about what they can. " - Julius Caesar

It might not, but it's still locked up first place until it meets OoT.

Anyway...

FFX vs. MGS2 Round 1: 62.26%
FFX vs. MGS2 Round 2: 58.41%

KH vs. GTA Round 1: 61.40%
KH vs. GTA Round 2: 59.56%

Both Square games are getting held back relative to their Round 1 percentages, but FFX is clearly taking the worst of it.
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It's not like FFX is suffering severe damage or anything though.
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Yes, but I was actually expecting it to SFF Kingdom Hearts a little bit. Unless the two games are nearly equal indirectly, that isn't happening. I assumed most people expected the same as well, which is why MGS2 got support in the Oracle.
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Looking at this ASV (losing handily to MGS2?), I'd say it is.

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KH is now closer to FFX then MGS2 again.
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I'm honestly surprised FFX isn't at 30% by now.
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Looking at this ASV (losing handily to MGS2?), I'd say it is.

Again, MGS2 is a rather balanced game. It gained relative to FFX with the ASV last time (though only a little bit).
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From: LeonhartFour | #265
Looking at this ASV (losing handily to MGS2?), I'd say it is.

Again, MGS2 is a rather balanced game. It gained relative to FFX with the ASV last time (though only a little bit).

It was balanced last round cuz all the games sucked at the asv last round. Silent Hill and Oblivion weren't asv beasts afterall. This is just making FFX look really bad at the asv here
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Oblivion/Morrowind are above average ASV games, but you're still overstating how bad this is. KH can make any game that's beating it look bad with the ASV.
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Thats in 1v1. 4ways have more indepedent trends. The fact is that GTA and MGS are holdign their own, but FFX is dipping like crazy. That is all FFX sucking at the asv, there is no way to sugarcoat it.
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"Yes, but I was actually expecting it to SFF Kingdom Hearts a little bit. Unless the two games are nearly equal indirectly, that isn't happening. I assumed most people expected the same as well, which is why MGS2 got support in the Oracle."

Why would that have been the case? I know both are Square games, but I've seen a very good point thrown around lately: Kingdom Hearts Factor was a proven and incredibly important factor precisely BECAUSE it let characters that made a KH game target an audience a "pure" Square title couldn't even sniff at. Having the combined power of two individually average fanbases is what makes Squall and Auron very strong characters, right? There doesn't seem to be a reason for the two games to split a fanbase.

FFX isn't "dipping like crazy." Yes, it's losing percentage, but it's going to lose a little more than 1%. That's not bad against Kingdom Hearts.

And saying that 4-ways are different is ridiculous because Sora has been a beast every time, regardless of the format.
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From: LeonhartFour | #270
FFX isn't "dipping like crazy." Yes, it's losing percentage, but it's going to lose a little more than 1%. That's not bad against Kingdom Hearts.

And saying that 4-ways are different is ridiculous because Sora has been a beast every time, regardless of the format.

Metal Gear Solid and Grand Theft Auto, 2 games known for bad ASVs, are staying pretty much steady, while FFX is falling big time (1% drop over the asv is bad asvl evels).
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They share the same console, the same developer, and (more or less) the same genre. Much of Kingdom Hearts is Final Fantasy fanservice; everyone knows that. I didn't expect the split to be as severe as, say FFVIII/FFIX, but I expected a split, and I expected FFX to win it more decisively than this.
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MGS2's ASV isn't bad. Two rounds have shown this.
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its worse then gtas ASV since it has fallen more then GTA during the asv. And if you're worse then GTA, you got a bad asv.
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Considering GTA has barely fallen at all despite KH's presence, that would say that GTA's isn't that bad. It's unfair to judge FFX alone based on KH and then ignore the fact that Vice City is holding up just fine.
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Maybe we see ASV's differently. I see a bad ASV as in you're doing worst during that time compared to other voting blocks. What is your definition of a bad ASV?
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A bad ASV isn't the voting block during which you do the worst. There are games that have the ASV where they do the worst compared to other blocks but that's not a bad ASV. FFX's ASV certainly isn't great, but it isn't bleeding to the extent that would qualify as an awful ASV, like FFVI losing 2%+ during the ASV.
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Which match did FF6 lose over 2% in the asv? I see 1.5% for one, and 1% for the other. And FFX is gonna end up losing about 1.5% here, so you're trying to argue a FF6 worst case scenario ASV isn't bad?
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Enough ASV talk!

Anyway, pretty cool how some stupid idea of merging FF and Disney called Kingdom Hearts that everyone thought would be a flop actually turned out to be a strong series all on its own, always hanging tough there with the games and characters from the series that basically spawned it. Cool!
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The Square LFF once again looks much more respectable than early in the match. FFX not doing all that much worse against MGS3. Good.
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Pretty good pic. Menu pic for Melee is pretty lame though. The other three are good though.
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Albion, I don't think you want to see CT against KH in the ASV. I know I don't!

So, it looks like FFX and KH ended up getting hurt by LFF about the same after all- and it wasn't a huge amount of LFF. I wouldn't be so quick to drop FFX from the top 10, but I would very much like to see it face Pokemon RBY. I thought that would be a good battle for 7th in round 1; perhaps it would be a battle for 10th now.
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Oh I'd love to see KH vs. CT in the asv. It might be able to pull a 4k vote comeback
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It might be able to make cuts from 10,000 down. In a 1v1, it might seriously be able to pull off a 5,000 vote comeback. It'd be 5 very unfun hours for me.
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I wonder if Sora could beat Crono head-to-head...
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Given how the CT day vote sucks more than a nuclear vacuum cleaner, I wouldn't put it out of reach, actually. I mean, 2005 Master Chief came back 10% against Crono, right? And Sonic, who would probably lose against every other Noble Niner, managed to defeat Crono in 2006 because CT's suck time and Sonic's best time lined up perfectly. Granted, that was just before CT's suck hitted its peak, but its still something to consider.

Nah sora isn't that strong yet. Crono would likely win like 55-45
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Speaking of Sora, was a release date for KHIII confirmed already? I can't remember if there was one.

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Well, with Sora getting nearly 46% on Mega Man back in 2006, I figure he could get at least like...47% on Crono.
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No, once again, trends do not equal strength. Crono beat Master Chief because he was getting 70% overnight, so he still didn't lose a single update despite MC pulling off one of the biggest percentages swings ever. Against Sonic, Crono was getting 54% overnight, and that turned into 47% during the day, and defeat. Crono would be up by over 10,000 votes on Sora before the ASV hit, and would thus win.
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Yeah, if Crono has continued to fall Sora Vs. Crono would probably be a decent match
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Although, actually, CT's day vote has improved this year. CT actually only lost 3% against Mario 64 from its peak overnight to the end. Since 2006, it's usually been more like 5-6% against Nintendo and similar day votes. 3% puts CT's day vote around where it was in 2005 (that's how much Crono lost to Mario that year with the day).
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Well 3% isn't too bad considering SOTN was LFFing it >_> Yes I can be delusional too!
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Division 6: Round 2 - Match 44 – Diablo II: Lord of Destruction vs. Halo: Combat Evolved vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

Moltar’s Analysis

Diablo II
Round 1 - 27.43% vs. Metal Gear Solid 2, Morrowind and Silent Hill 2

D2 takes 1st in a close four-pack.

Halo
Round 1 - 25.82% vs. Final Fantasy X, Morrowind and Silent Hill 2

Was Halo hurt by KotOR? We’re about to find out

Super Smash Bros. Melee
Round 1 - 48.58% vs. Vice City, Metroid Prime and Paper Mario

Very good show from Melee

Wind Waker
Round 1 - 25.42% vs. Kingdom Hearts, Metroid Prime and Paper Mario

Poor Wind Waker, beaten down just like Majora’s Mask.

I have SSBM > Halo in my bracket. I figured SSBM would be the strongest game here, and that WW would be SFFed hard enough to allow Halo to take second.

Well, SSBM should take first because it’s the strongest, and WW doesn’t look too good for second considering SSBM killed it last round and it didn’t do well compared to the awful competition. However Halo…not looking so good after last round, and D2 was pretty close to it. WW still has a shot.

KotOR did much better than anyone expected, and it could have hurt Halo by splitting the Xbox fanbase. If that’s the case, then it should have no problem taking second here. Still, something bothers me about Halo. Not only did it fail to live up to my expectations of it, but I also have a feeling Melee is going to hurt it here.

D2 won last round on its own accord, while you have to make excuses for Halo, so I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt for second. Then again, Starcraft showed that PC games won’t necessarily retain decent percentages with strong competition around. Augh this is tough.

Blizzard PC game vs. Sole Xbox game vs. technically the second strongest game here but gets hurt by SFF. Do I really have to choose one of these to take second?

Moltar’s Bracket Says: SSBM > Halo

Moltar’s Prediction is: Melee: 37% - Diablo 2: 22% - Halo: 21% - Wind Waker: 20%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

A Nintendo SFF match with Diablo and Halo -- there's no good choice for second today.

I always hate having to pick a game like Halo to come in second when there's a much stronger game in the match getting hit by SFF. You can never feel confident in the Diablos and Halos of the world to do what they should given the opportunity. I stuck with Diablo II in my bracket, and didn't give it a whole lot of thought at the time, but after bad round 1 stretch it's hard to feel confident in any pick today.

But I'm gonna stick with it. Of all the games here, it's certainly the most independent -- it's a Blizzard PC RPG, which should give it more inherent appeal than something like StarCraft. It also did cleanly win in round 1 against Halo, making it the only real choice unless you believe Halo suffered from console SFF to KOTOR. After FFX/KH, you could try to make a case for Wind Waker, but I think that only works when we're talking about a split instead of straight up SFF, which is what Melee should do here.

As far as Halo goes, it's either in second or last. I'm not really buying into console SFF, so I think last round gave us a pretty good idea of its legit strength, which doesn't inspire a whole lot of confidence. Still, I can't say I'd be surprised if it did something here.

Bad match, time to get this one over with

Super Smash Bros. Melee -- 39%
Diablo II -- 23%
The Wind Waker -- 20%
Halo -- 18%

Bracket: Melee > Diablo II
Favorites: Wind Waker > Melee



Lopen’s Analysis

Melee crushed Zelda really bad. Against games worth their salt it has no chance to survive make its time. Get that out of here.

As for Halo vs LoD... while Halo did lose against D2, I think it got hurt by KotoR quite a bit. I don't think I stressed this enough during its match: This is a game from a system that has 50% ownership on GameFAQs. It's not going to do so well when it needs to split its vote. Halo I believe will be the one Halo title that doesn't utterly embarrass itself this contest, but we'll see, I guess. The originals in series have been seeming to do better than you'd expect, and you'd expect Halo to do the best of the series... therefore it'd do... bester. Yes.

Lopen's prediction:
Melee – 34.04%
Halo: Percentage Evolved – 28.07%
Diablo 2 – 22.56%
The Wind, heh heh... - 15.33%



Transience’s Analysis

Tonight's match feels kind of pointless. All of these games sucked in round 1 (seriously, needing a comeback to beat KOTOR? losing updates to Disgaea?), so does it really matter who advances? None of these games really deserve it. This match is more about gauging Melee than the battle for second.

Let's start with Diablo 2 and Halo. Diablo didn't win by much, and there's the possibility than Halo was hindered by KOTOR. If so, Halo probably wins a rematch pretty easily.

So the question becomes, who overlaps more with Melee and Wind Waker? The answer is probably neither, but if I had to pick one, it's Halo. There are two big multiplayer games from this generation: Halo and Melee. Do I think Halo is going to multiplayer SFF Melee or some such? No, of course not. But I'd expect the so-called casual vote to split there, and Halo needs every advantage it can get to reverse round 1's decision.

So I'll take Diablo 2 over Halo. But what of Wind Waker? Wind Waker got 34.36% against Melee. Would I expect Diablo 2 to get that percentage?

My answer would be no. But I don't think this is a fair question -- I think a lot of those WW votes were "not Melee" votes. We saw this, to a certain extent, with FF1 and MM3 last round: they were the only real option to vote for besides the obvious favourites. I can't prove this because both games got hammered by overlap the next round, but MM3 looked better than MM2 which isn't right. FF1 looked really impressive too. I think the same thing happened to Wind Waker, and when you add more intruiging possibilities I think it'll falter. I like Zelda games to pull in 15-20%, but in this match it might not matter since I don't see Melee going too high while having to deal with the Wind Waker overlap.

I really do want to take Wind Waker though. It's easily the second strongest game here. Hmm...

transience's predix:

Super Smash Bros. Melee - 40%
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction - 22%
Halo: Combat Evolved - 21%
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 17%



Leonhart’s Analysis

Diablo II: Lord of Destruction: Diablo did a good job last round coming out of that pack in first place. However, I think the fact that it still let Halo cut off 1500 votes from its lead with the ASV was a bit troubling. That’s not a good sign, especially when you’re that far ahead. Plus, Diablo was almost definitely the most independent entry in that poll. You could make an argument for Halo and KOTOR splitting the Xbox vote. Besides that, just good ol’ random variation could give Halo the edge over it this time. Diablo’s victory was far from decisive when it was all said and done. I still think it’s in a good position to advance, but it’s far from a lock.

Halo: We knew Halo as a series was in trouble when it needed the ASV to beat another Xbox game. The series is struggling, but there’s still hope for Halo to advance to round three here. As mentioned before, Halo made some big cuts on Diablo with the ASV last round despite being down 3500 votes or so. It’s unlikely Diablo will be able to get that big of a lead this time because it won’t be anywhere close to first place, which could spell bad news for it once Halo’s day vote kicks in. Halo basically just needs to weather the night vote and it can make a day vote comeback easily. Will it happen?

Super Smash Bros. Melee: Melee put up 65% on Wind Waker and 48% on the fourpack overall last round. Even having to deal with a LFF split here, Melee is far enough ahead of the rest of the pack to still finish in first here. Plus, it doesn’t seem like Wind Waker will really hinder it that much. This match is all about how much Melee puts up.

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker: Wind Waker embarrassed itself last round against Melee, and I don’t see any reason for it to do better here, especially now that the competition is better. I suppose you could argue that Zelda fans will keep Wind Waker from going TOO low, but I don’t know if I buy that. After all, they still let Melee nearly double Wind Waker here. If it advances, it’s because Diablo and Halo suck, not because Wind Waker is strong. Don’t see it happening though.

Leonhart’s Vote: Super Smash Bros. MELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Diablo II – 22.20%
Halo – 22.84%
Super Smash Bros. Melee – 38.41%
The Wind Waker – 16.55%



Ed Bellis’s Analysis

We’ve got Melee and four games that are probably not as strong as most people figured they would be. I’ll be backing Diablo mostly out of apathy for the other options: Wind Waker looked like utter crap last round and the ‘Zelda is infallible’ train of thought went out the window with Majora’s Mask, while Halo is… Halo. It almost lost to friggin’ KOTOR. Seems like an obvious choice to me!

Prediction: STAY AWHILE AND LISTEN LOL
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction with 23.40%
Halo: Combat Evolved with 22.88%
Super Smash Bros. Melee with 33.67%
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker with 20.05%



Guest’s Analysis - Chaotic Mind

Short write-up today, because i have no idea what happens here beyond SSBM taking first.

Diablo II impressed me by taking first last round, but Halo wasn't far behind. I think KOTOR probably hurt D2 just as much if not more than it hurt Halo, but Halo was definitely hurt more by GTA. However, Halo will likely lose more of its casual voters to SSBM this round too, so i wouldn't be surprised to see Diablo ahead of it again.

But Wind Waker might pass them both. Last round it was still able to get 25% with SSBM in the poll. That could very well be enough to advance here. Does it lose any votes to Diablo or Halo? Maybe a few to Halo, but i kinda doubt it.

Hmm, thinking about it, the blizzard fanbase didn't seem to dedicated in starcraft's match a couple days ago. That combined with Halo likely dying to SSBM makes Wind Waker the favorite i guess.

Prediction: SSBM>Wind Waker

Diablo II: Lord of Destruction - 17.39%
Halo: Combat Evolved - 17.20%
Super Smash Bros. Melee - 40.03%
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 25.38%

Bracket: SSBM>Halo
Vote: All but Celda are great games... but i think i'll have to go with Halo here.



Crew Consensus: 3 SSBM > D2, 2 SSBM > Halo and 1 SSBM > WW