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Hmm? No, it isn't- it's getting 38.53% on KH here, and was getting 38.60% at the same time last round.
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Nope, the local high school down here got out of school last Friday.

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From: transience | #099
KH doesn't have Sora's day vote. we've seen it twice.

KH1 raised 1% during the asv against some games that should be pretty good in the asv (metroid priem and paper mario) and KH2 raised about 1.6% on a Sunday match from 8 AM to the end. Still very good
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From: hochiminhX | #102
Nope, the local high school down here got out of school last Friday.

Most schools let out early June as far as I know.
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We may seem some diminishing of the ASV day's trends, but it will still exist for now.
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Not even 10%? What is wrong with you people? At least SMRPG and Goldeneye moved on.

So FFX is increasing pretty good right now.

Probably because VC is getting last place factor'd and getting artificially helped by the LFF.

Since when is doing respectably in a fourpack getting Last Place Factor'd? When I think of that term, I think of a game getting like less than 15%.
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High schools around here get out next Friday, so...
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Most schools let out early June as far as I know.


WTF? Where the hell do you live? Kuwait?


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Schools around here don't get out until mid-June.
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Schools around here don't get out until mid-June.


WTF? Where the hell do you live? Rivendell?


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Mid-June?

What an awful world to live in.
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creative, choose my sig before I completely forget about the bet.

Also, creating another topic for it might be a good idea since I probably won't be reading these anytime soon.

What the hell is this? Who makes a sig bet in the stats topic but doesn't read the stats topic to get the sig?
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When I was in high-school we got out at around mid June also

FFX's gonna have a lead of about 400 at the end of the Power Hour. It should be safe if it keeps this up.
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ffx wins this. kh is dying right now and we're not even in the deep night vote. imagine how bad its gonna look then...
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New Hampshire, and I know it's about the same for Massachusetts at least. Snow days always manage to add a few days to the school year.
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When i was in high school we got out 1st week of June
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In Canada we finish by mid-June, but with finals and provincials you could go all the way to the end of the month.
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My mistake, VC is doing about the same.

Since when is doing respectably in a fourpack getting Last Place Factor'd? When I think of that term, I think of a game getting like less than 15%.

Like I said, it's probably getting last place factor'd, but artificially helped by LFF.
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Like I said, it's probably getting last place factor'd, but artificially helped by LFF.

This doesn't make any sense at all. Not every game that's in last place by a lot gets Last Place Factor'd. Vice City is doing just fine.
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Man, I see MGS2 just sucks. Not too surprising after last round, but still.

Pretty crazy performance by KH. I kinda bought into the whole idea that last round wasn't as impressive for it, but it looks legit here. FFX is probably suffering from it being here, weirdly, instead of the other way around.

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I'm actually fairly pleased with Gamefaqs' voters for once, as they're recognizing Final Fantasy X, sure it kills my bracket even more (164 points, thanks for the collapse Starcraft), but it's still nice to see.

On the whole though... oof, especially with some of the older games.

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It's very hard to tell whether Last Place Factor is happening here. Last Place Factor that doesn't involve in the last place game, you know, looking bad, has no more evidence supporting it than rSFF.
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It's very hard to tell whether Last Place Factor is happening here. Last Place Factor that doesn't involve in the last place game, you know, looking bad, has no more evidence supporting it than rSFF.

Evidence? What. It's in last place, and doing better than it should in an LFF situation. Certainly not for sure but the logic seems horribly obvious. I was just throwing obvious logic out there, who knows what's really going on other than general contest wonkiness.

rSFF - you really think KH is overperforming relative to MGS2 right now, and would do worse 1v1 against MGS2? Because that's what that implies.
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Yesterday's chart:

Time | FFVIII | StarCraft | LOZ: OOT | FFIX | Demographic
EBV | 17.86% | 20.39% | 47.68% | 14.08% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 19.07% | 19.95% | 48.43% | 12.55% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 22.47% | 18.82% | 44.87% | 13.84% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 23.29% | 14.83% | 46.97% | 14.91% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 21.61% | 15.66% | 49.26% | 13.47% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 19.91% | 15.65% | 52.82% | 11.61% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 20.62% | 17.12% | 50.32% | 11.94% | (22:00-24:00)

OoT with a great board vote and Power Hour, big drop into the night and then a gradual rise from there. FFVIII and FFIX both do very well overnight and even better in the morning, just like last round. ASV was the worst time for them. StarCraft had a good night vote, but an awful morning vote to the point that it lost it outright to FFIX.

Yesterday's stats:

Ocarina of Time – 50.00%
Final Fantasy VIII – 29.95%
StarCraft – 25.20%
Final Fantasy IX – 20.73%

Lower Half Stats

Ocarina of Time – 50.00%
Final Fantasy VIII (Round 1) – 30.82%
Final Fantasy VIII (Round 2) – 29.95%
Final Fantasy IX (Round 1) – 28.40%
StarCraft – 25.20%
Half-Life – 21.30%
Final Fantasy IX (Round 2) – 20.73%
Chrono Cross – 16.10%
SoulCalibur – 16.01%
Xenogears – 13.91%

FFVIII ends up less than a percent off based on StarCraft. I wonder if StarCraft just bombed or if FFVIII just SFF'd FFIX rather than getting LFF'd.
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How exactly is it doing worse then it should? GTA has enough fans to get it 17% I'd assume
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last place factor is the dumbest idea ever

it's got 61.7% on KH whereas it got 61.4% last round. last place factor confirmed!
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Well, the problem is that we have to establish that LFF is happening in the first place. Last Place Factor doesn't happen to every game in last place, after all. We have 2 pairs of games here, one that suggests heavy LFF and one that suggests no LFF. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but I wouldn't assume VC is getting Last Place Factored just to make the LFF situation make sense, though it is possible.
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What the hell is with these updates?

Lead down 30, up 30, down 30, up 30, up 60

Stability not here.
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So FF8 goes from 61% to 56%. An acceptable drop.

Very surprisingly low prediction percent for FF8 last match. Did that many people have Half-Life/FF9/Starcraft advancing? The low percent there actually puts my bracket back in the top 1% despite a bad round 2.

last place factor is the dumbest idea ever

it's got 61.7% on KH whereas it got 61.4% last round. last place factor confirmed!

You...clearly are not following what I said.

And last place factor has happened a gazillion times, it's not like it's debatable. It's just chaotic - although easy to foresee on occassion.
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Did that many people have Half-Life/FF9/Starcraft advancing?

FFIX only had 35% of brackets taking it out of the first round, so I'm guessing Half-Life was probably the overall bracket favorite there.
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I still don't even understand what this "last place factor" supposedly means. It just seems like you guys are grasping for new terms
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Well, the problem is that we have to establish that LFF is happening in the first place.

Not really. There's no way to even if this was absolute fact, unless you judge by the future performances of these games together and apart or something.

Last Place Factor doesn't happen to every game in last place, after all. We have 2 pairs of games here, one that suggests heavy LFF and one that suggests no LFF. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but I wouldn't assume VC is getting Last Place Factored just to make the LFF situation make sense, though it is possible.

I'm not assuming it, it just stands out as the most probable explanation. If there even is one other than "4way chaos".
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Last Place Factor is the last place character doing disproportionately badly. For example, see both the 2007 and 2008 finals (Snake and then Crono got Last Place Factored).
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The finals are a special occasion, and I don't know if I attribute that to anything other than Cloud, Link, and bandwagoned Snake/L-Block being that much stronger than the 4th entrant.
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The finals are because everyone is voting for the characters who actualyl stand a chance cuz its such an important match. For a match like this, I'm sure VC has a lot of casual brackets, so where does the last place factor even come into play
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The finals are a special occasion,

It's happened over and over...and over...again though.

I attribute that to anything other than Cloud, Link, and bandwagoned Snake/L-Block being that much stronger than the 4th entrant.

But they aren't that much stronger, that's the entire thing. red sox gave a good definition - disproportionately worse.
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It's happened over and over...and over...again though.

What, twice?

And yes, they are that much stronger. There's nothing wrong with believing Link, Cloud, and bandwagoned Snake double Crono.
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gotta love kh rising and mgs falling once we get into the night vote
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Actually, it was more like a tripling, but I still maintain that the finals were a special occasion of Link vs. Cloud vs. Bandwagoned entry. Seriously, who cares about the 4th character in that situation, no matter who it is?
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Double Crono? Link was much closer to a tripling- Crono got 26.64% on him. And Snake performed very similarly the previous year.
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From: red sox 777 | #142
Double Crono? Link was much closer to a tripling- Crono got 26.64% on him. And Snake performed very similarly the previous year.

Snake (2007c) VS Cloud (2007c)

Snake has a strength of 45.41.
Cloud has a strength of 51.90.

Cloud wins with 56.25% of the vote!
A win of 24,429 with 195,360 total votes cast.



Really?
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #133
I still don't even understand what this "last place factor" supposedly means. It just seems like you guys are grasping for new terms

Both major matches involving Crono and Pikachu last year would be the textbook definition of LPF.

In the first match, it was obvious that Crono was going to win, and Alucard was going to lose. It all came down to Pikachu vs L Block for second. And what happened was magical. Alucard was completely destroyed, much worse than he should have been, because everyone who would have voted for Alucard knew he was going to lose anyway, and mass voted the rat.

The second match it was Pikachu's turn to die. Samus was a lock for first, and Pikachu was a lock for fourth, and it would all be about Crono-Vincent. We all know how that ended, but Pikachu also was wrecked more than he normally would have been.

The last 2 finals also display it very well, especially Crono last year. I don't think it exists when Square is in a match to be honest though. Where as Nintendo fans and other fans have demonstrated they are smart enough to actually completely abandon characters, FF fans have shown the exact opposite, Snake Cloud last year is the perfect example. Once my pick was destroyed, no one should have voted Sephiroth anymore. It was time to back Cloud, so he did not lose to the worst member of the Noble 9, let Seph die to Kirby, who cares, vote Cloud. Same thing has happened so far in this bracket. If Starcraft was not a LOL worthy game for quality and strength, and if this was still BadtasteFAQs, it easily could have beaten FF VIII yesterday, since Square fans were ****** and did not vote IX down. IX is my fifth favorite game ever, OoT is my favorite game ever, and I voted FF VIII yesterday, as it was the only decision that made sense. There is going to be a point this contest where the Square fans stupidity costs them 2 games at once, it is on its way.



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Uhhh...Pikachu did just fine, considering he was getting LFF'd by Samus.
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Seriously, who cares about the 4th character in that situation, no matter who it is?

That's the point of Last Place Factor, or as close to a reason as we've ever thought up to explain why it happens. Some more examples:

Link/Crono/Vincent/Zero
Cloud/Samus/Megaman/Ryu (no qualms about SFF on this one!)
FFVII/Goldeneye/SMRPG/Mario Kart 64

There should be a lot more.
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So if Last Place Factor does not exist, what happened to:

Midna
Shadow
Wario
Phoenix Wright
HK-47
Donkey Kong
Nightmare (twice)
Duke Nukem
Yoshi
Ryu
Zero
Amaterasu
Dante
Snake

And that's just 2007 (except for the Nightmare thing.)
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FFVII/Goldeneye/SMRPG/Mario Kart 64

...Most people assumed MK64 would be above smrpg, how the heck is that a last place factor
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Snake (2007c) VS Cloud (2007c)

Snake has a strength of 45.41.
Cloud has a strength of 51.90.

Cloud wins with 56.25% of the vote!
A win of 24,429 with 195,360 total votes cast.



Really?

Not sure where those stats are coming from, but Cloud was less than 100 votes away from doubling Snake in the 2007 final. Snake and Crono finished with almost the exact same final percentage (12 something).
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...Most people assumed MK64 would be above smrpg, how the heck is that a last place factor

It obviously isn't above SMRPG. It's also not that far below SMRPG, unless you're ready to jump on the CT/SM64 > FFVII hype train!
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