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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 719

ffmasterjose | Posted 5/18/2009 6:47:38 PM | message detail
Holy votals. Seifer puts asses in the seats!
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/18/2009 6:50:42 PM | message detail
Match XLIII: Final Fantasy X vs. Metal Gear Solid 2 vs. Kingdom Hearts vs. GTA: Vice City

Last Round:

Final Fantasy X – 45.92%
Metal Gear Solid 2 – 27.84%
TES III: Morrowind – 17.21%
Silent Hill 2 – 9.03%

Kingdom Hearts – 38.95%
GTA: Vice City – 24.48%
Metroid Prime – 22.50%
Paper Mario – 14.07%

Analysis

In an attempt to grab two spots in the division final the Playstation 2 games took over this match giving us an all Playstation 2 affair. These are the four strongest Playstation 2 games in this era and they will battle it out over which is the superior game. Also with the contest heating up games are going to need to step it up if they want to rank in the top 20.

With an impressive performance last round Final Fantasy X should take first rather easily. Even if it didn’t being the most popular Playstation 2 game on GameFAQs would still have made it the favourite in this match. It’ll be interesting to see how it’ll do and whether or not it can ride the Ocarina of Time wave to the finals. It is also possible that it could SFF Kingdom Hearts in this match effectively eliminating it from the tournament.

I had Vice City in second in my bracket, but since the second round apparently hates me I’ll be getting this wrong as well. In other people’s eyes Vice City impressed, but in my eyes it failed to do well enough against Kingdom Hearts in order to capitalize on possibility that Kingdom Hearts is going to be SFF. For it to place now Kingdom Hearts would almost have to equal Final Fantasy X before getting SFF. The game will probably take last place, third at best though it won’t be crushed and left for dead.

The fight for second is really debatable and I’m surprised that there hasn’t been much talk about it. Actually all matches after the 98-00 division haven’t been discussed into much detail. Between Kingdom Hearts and Metal Gear Solid 2 Kingdom Hearts is probably the stronger game though with Final Fantasy X it is at a disadvantage. Even if Kingdom Hearts avoids SFF the LFF should be enough to put it below Metal Gear Solid 2.

Despite not being anything special in this contest if Metal Gear Solid 2 can advance here the Metal Gear series will be the only series to have all of its games represented in round 3. Still advancing is far from being a lock. Kingdom Hearts was pretty impressive last round and if it is indeed close to Final Fantasy X LFF may not be enough for Metal Gear Solid 2 to steal the win. Also with all the games being from the Playstation 2 we could see something whacky that no one predicted.

Final Fantasy X wants Kingdom Hearts to lose here because if it advances any hopes that Final Fantasy X had of defeating Super Smash Bros. Melee would be over. I also hope that people begin talking about the rest of this round since the 98-00 division is over because we are heading towards a few interesting matches.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Final Fantasy X > GTA: Vice City

charmander6000’s Prediction: Final Fantasy X – 37.53%, Metal Gear Solid 2 – 24.52%, Kingdom Hearts – 22.28%, GTA: Vice City – 15.67%

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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ: OoT > Starcraft Points: 137/200
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/18/2009 6:56:51 PM | message detail
Hmm...what are Vice City's trends? KH seems a lock for second if it doesn't have anyone else to share its bat**** insane ASV with.
Karma Hunter | Posted 5/18/2009 7:06:27 PM | message detail
...trends do not equal strength. Sora has never won an update on Solid Snake for a reason.
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Meeks54 | Posted 5/18/2009 7:26:18 PM | message detail

From: Karma Hunter | #404
...trends do not equal strength. Sora has never won an update on Solid Snake for a reason.




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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/18/2009 7:46:27 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #377
Basically, here are the top 20 contenders, in my opinion (No particular order):

FFVII
OoT
LTTP
CT
Mario 1
Mario 3
Mario World
Mario 64
SSBM
FFX
RBY
GS
MGS
FFVIII
TP
SSBB
MGS4
RE4
KHII
GoldenEye/MGS3/KH1

The last three are borderline.


Why no Fallout 3 at the bottom? It did like 48.5% on MGS4, and if MGS4 is like 14/15th, why not fallout 3 at the very bottom of the top 20?
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 7:48:31 PM | message detail
MGS4 isn't in the top 15. I dunno where he'd put it, but he did say it wasn't in any particular order.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/18/2009 7:53:14 PM | message detail
I think MGS4 is the strongest MGs. I seem to be the only one though, but its done more to impress me in the Goty matches and its first round match then MGS1 has.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/18/2009 7:53:35 PM | message detail
I know that I already asked, but how do you submit a match pic?

And are we still working on the pic for Halo's match?

Believe it or not, the whole Oblivion/ToS/WoW affair involves tomorrow's match a little bit. If Diablo II comes out like a beast, then I can see that it was losing votes to KotOR and than deduce that Oblivion and WoW will split votes. Otherwise, I dunno what to expect. Here are my current predictions for the rest of round 2, though I will still do full analyses.

Final Fantasy X > Kingdom Hearts (have Vice City taking 2nd in my bracket)
Super Smash Bros. Melee > Diablo II (have Halo > SSBM in my bracket)
Metal Gear Solid 3 > Oblivion (have GTA: SA > MGS3 in my bracket)
Zelda: Twilight Princess > Resident Evil 4 (have RE4 > Half-Life 2 in my bracket)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Call of Duty 4 (have Mario Galaxy taking 2nd in my bracket)
Metal Gear Solid 4 > Fallout 3 (looking good for now)

If today's match continues to unfold the way it is doing so, then I will end up with 145 points in my bracket and 163 for predictions.
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 5/18/2009 7:54:35 PM | message detail
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 7:55:12 PM | message detail
...trends do not equal strength. Sora has never won an update on Solid Snake for a reason.

Yes, and the reason is that CJayC decided to put the sprite round in 2005 in round 4 instead of round 3 like it is in every other year!

Seriously though, this is absolutely correct. Trends do not equal strength, and games generally do not affect the trend relationships of other games in the poll by being there. If you have two games, a day vote game and a night vote game, the day vote game isn't going to go up less on the night vote game because a third game, a day vote monster, is in the poll. It will hurt both games' day votes, and their previous trends are preserved relative to each other.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/18/2009 8:17:07 PM | message detail
What does "trends does not equal strength" mean? Is it a way of saying Master Hand isn't strong even though he exploded in that one match?
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transients | Posted 5/18/2009 8:19:50 PM | message detail
yep.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/18/2009 8:29:13 PM | message detail
Or Halo being down by 700 votes against Castlevania after one hour and people calling it a lock for Halo.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ: OoT > Starcraft Points: 137/200
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/18/2009 8:32:32 PM | message detail
LAST HALF HOUR OF THE MATCH FTW!!!

What the hell has happened to StarCraft? It did well in the original contest and on the list, and all of a sudden it bombs here? What the hell?
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/18/2009 8:37:00 PM | message detail
KH seems a lock for second if it doesn't have anyone else to share its bat**** insane ASV with.

KH has a weak power hour and night vote, which is what MGS is good at. By the time KH could start moving here, MGS may have too large of a lead for KH to overturn. And so far in this contest, we haven't seen any massive comebacks yet. The best I've seen was Halo cutting off about a 1000 votes from Diablo II.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 8:37:13 PM | message detail
Trends don't determine the match. They simply define it.

And seeing that KHI pic reminds me of how goofy (uh, no pun intended) Sora looked in that game. Thank goodness Square went for a redesign in KHII.
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transience | Posted 5/18/2009 8:52:59 PM | message detail
there's a reason Sora boosted so much.
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 5/18/2009 8:54:09 PM | message detail
I'd consider Zelda 1 and Tetris in the discussion for top 20. They could probably both contend with games like GoldenEye, RE4, and MGS3.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/18/2009 8:54:48 PM | message detail
Don't be surprised if VC makes some noise here with all of those Japanese games hurting eachother ... !
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Karma Hunter | Posted 5/18/2009 8:55:48 PM | message detail
After seeing how much the MM games have absolutely sucked this contest, there's absolutely no chance in hell I'd call Tetris a Top 20 game. It didn't beat MM2 by nearly enough.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 8:56:03 PM | message detail
Oh yeah, Zelda 1 should definitely be in contention for the top 20, top 15 even.
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transience | Posted 5/18/2009 8:56:46 PM | message detail
Zekda 1, maybe, but Tetris is extremely situational. like, I'd give it a slight chance against RE4 but expect Goldeneye to double it.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 8:56:49 PM | message detail
I've given up on Zelda 1 being a top 10 game though.
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transience | Posted 5/18/2009 8:57:00 PM | message detail
Zekda hell yes
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 5/18/2009 8:59:28 PM | message detail
Zekda is definitely the s & m version of Zelda.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 8:59:35 PM | message detail
there's a reason Sora boosted so much.

I know. I'm a big fan of KHI and generally love the main hero, but Sora was the exception until the sequel.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/18/2009 8:59:46 PM | message detail
Don't be surprised if VC makes some noise here with all of those Japanese games hurting eachother ...

Being made in one place means nothing, especially when each game is loved in a different part of the world
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BGE2 - Today's Match: FFX > GTA: VC Points: 141/208
Master Moltar | Posted 5/18/2009 9:00:15 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy X 11.11%

1
Metal Gear Solid 2 33.33%

3
Kingdom Hearts 22.22%

2
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 33.33%

3
TOTAL VOTES 9

go mgs!
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Match 43 - Bracket: FFX > MP - Vote: MGS2 (143/208)
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/18/2009 9:00:24 PM | message detail
wow ffx has a bad board vote
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 9:00:24 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy X 14.63%

6
Metal Gear Solid 2 31.71%

13
Kingdom Hearts 24.39%

10
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 29.27%

12
TOTAL VOTES 41

No board vote for FFX.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:00:27 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy X 8.33% 1
Metal Gear Solid 2 25% 3
Kingdom Hearts 16.67% 2
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 50% 6
TOTAL VOTES 12

Yes GTA!
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BGE2 - Today's Match: FFX > GTA: VC Points: 141/208
Mr3790 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:00:37 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy X 13.04% 3
Metal Gear Solid 2 39.13% 9
Kingdom Hearts 13.04% 3
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 34.78% 8
TOTAL VOTES 23

Anti-FF Board vote!
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Gaddswell | Posted 5/18/2009 9:00:42 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy X 6.67% 1
Metal Gear Solid 2 33.33% 5
Kingdom Hearts 20% 3
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 40% 6
TOTAL VOTES 15

Gotta love that square board vote!
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:00:50 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy X 18.97% 11
Metal Gear Solid 2 29.31% 17
Kingdom Hearts 29.31% 17
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 22.41% 13
TOTAL VOTES 58

What is wrong with this board? Seriously?
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 5/18/2009 9:00:54 PM | message detail
looks like this'll go as expected

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Today's prediction: Stay away from the FFX 35.87% - Kingdom Hearts 25.16% - Naked Cartwheel 22.14% - Vice City 16.88%
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Karma Hunter | Posted 5/18/2009 9:01:05 PM | message detail
Man where are these Vice City bracket votes coming from

that's all I can justify them with
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/18/2009 9:01:14 PM | message detail
Board is still in BRACKETS mode.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:01:30 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3487&region=ASI

FFVIII > Starcraft

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3487&region=CA

OoT > Starcraft
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BGE2 - Today's Match: FFX > GTA: VC Points: 141/208
transience | Posted 5/18/2009 9:01:39 PM | message detail
hmm... Melee for first even if Wind Waker is there.
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 5/18/2009 9:01:41 PM | message detail
unless some people expected MGS2 to beat KH ... lol at them
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Today's prediction: Stay away from the FFX 35.87% - Kingdom Hearts 25.16% - Naked Cartwheel 22.14% - Vice City 16.88%
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 9:01:45 PM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts AND MGS2 are catching up to FFX! What's going on here?
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:01:46 PM | message detail
Okay I don't normally post poll results but

Final Fantasy X 25.45% 28
Metal Gear Solid 2 25.45% 28
Kingdom Hearts 25.45% 28
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 23.64% 26
TOTAL VOTES 110

Does everything have such a bad board vote it's just canceling out? Cause I figured FFX and MGS2 would be at least respectable.
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Gaddswell | Posted 5/18/2009 9:01:56 PM | message detail
Well, at least MGS2 and KH looks close right now.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:02:08 PM | message detail
Sense: this contest makes none
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Karma Hunter | Posted 5/18/2009 9:02:23 PM | message detail
Also ummmm what are you doing FFX
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 9:02:35 PM | message detail
This match already makes no sense.

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RockMFR 5 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:02:41 PM | message detail
No way FFX goes to the finals, no matter how much LFF is going on here.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/18/2009 9:02:48 PM | message detail
ffx sucks confirmed
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:02:52 PM | message detail
Wow, I totally thought I had Kingdom Hearts here today, I really hope it holds strong.
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