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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 719

nintendogirl1 | Posted 5/18/2009 4:13:24 PM | message detail
From: creativename
If you've never heard of Charles Barkley, you must not live in the United States I'm guessing.

Or watched Space Jam, which is a travesty in and of itself.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 4:15:28 PM | message detail
And OOT is now over 49%, with 45 minutes solid minutes left in the true ASV. At least one of my favorite games is doing well this year.
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creativename | Posted 5/18/2009 4:16:38 PM | message detail
I don't expect all that much FF/KH overlap really - Kingdom Hearts Factor was like the biggest factor ever for a reason, it introduced those characters to a new fanbase. The KH fanbase should be notably different.

Oh, and the stats topic overreaction RBY talk reminded me of that sig bet :)

"Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename"

Maybe a bit harsh, but hey, that's what you get for betting that RBY could beat MGS despite GS in the poll! :) I still don't really get how anyone could've thought that... :\
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creativename | Posted 5/18/2009 4:19:57 PM | message detail
Oh, that's not to say that the FF/KH overlap won't cost KH the match though - KH and MGS2 might not be all that far apart.
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BDawg | Posted 5/18/2009 4:34:13 PM | message detail
This match ended up a complete dud, good thing OoT domination still amuses me!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 4:39:28 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'm starting to wonder how far apart MGS2 and KH really are.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/18/2009 4:45:52 PM | message detail
After a round and a half, I've gotta give KH the clear advantage. I don't think MGS2 could have put such a beatdown on Vice City, and the way KHII (which I don't think is on the original's level) stayed with RE4 really reaffirmed that this series has some serious pop.

And just remember... Mega Man put up 58% on Mario Kart, and we've pretty much confirmed that SMK and MK64 would blow up any single Mega Man game. Metal Gear Solid put up 58% on Kingdom Hearts...

=O
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 4:48:41 PM | message detail
DUN DUN DUN

Oh, there's no doubt in my mind KH beats MGS2 straight up. The question is if FFX affects KH to the point MGS2 wins. KH is probably closer to FFX than it is to MGS2, so it may be safe.
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Master Moltar | Posted 5/18/2009 4:51:46 PM | message detail
Yeah 1v1 I'd take KH over MGS2. FFX being there makes it iffy though.

MGS doesn't look as strong as I thought though, and I'm still set that MGS2 is the weakest in the series sooooo
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 4:52:15 PM | message detail
Looks like OoT is going to end up tripling StarCraft by the time this thing is said and done. Just for kicks, StarCraft being at 25% in the 2004 stats puts it with the likes of GoldenEye, FFTA, and SFII, and below Mario RPG, KOTOR, and FFT.

Of course, those stats are beyond worthless.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 4:54:01 PM | message detail
25% for Halo against OOT sounds pretty good!
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transients | Posted 5/18/2009 4:54:51 PM | message detail
sounds good for everything but KH.

Starcraft/SSBM might be the biggest overperformance ever.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 4:56:11 PM | message detail
Of course, there's the possibility SSBM overperformed on FFVII as well, but it did good enough last round for me.
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syco_coaster | Posted 5/18/2009 4:56:11 PM | message detail
I think both KH benefited from standing out in their 4-packs. This time around there's another Square game, and I think that's going to have plenty of crossover to allow MGS3 through.

In fact, I think there's a better chance of MGS3 > FFX than FFX > KH. Neither seem very likely though.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 4:56:36 PM | message detail
I think MGS3 > FFX is impossible, but that's just me.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 5/18/2009 4:56:54 PM | message detail
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 4:57:36 PM | message detail
MGS3 has a better chance of losing to Tales of Symphonia than it does beating FFX in any situation without heavy, heavy LFF.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 4:58:48 PM | message detail
Actually, I'd wager MGS3 is probably closer to FFX than it is to Tales of Symphonia, maybe equidistant.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/18/2009 4:59:21 PM | message detail
I'm confused. Why can't RBY be a top ten game? What ten games are stronger?

OOT
FF7
LTTP
Mario 3
Mario World
Mario 64
SSBM
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy X

What's the 10th game here?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 5:01:19 PM | message detail
MGS3 shouldn't be *too* far off from ToS/Oblivion. It'll win comfortably, but it's not like it impressed very match in its own match.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 5:01:47 PM | message detail
Well, some people thought FFVIII had a shot, though it's not lookin' that great here. Brawl and TP are contenders as well, but that's still debatable.

Oh, and Mario 1, too, I guess, depending on how much stock you want to put into it.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 5:02:59 PM | message detail
MGS3 shouldn't be *too* far off from ToS/Oblivion. It'll win comfortably, but it's not like it impressed very match in its own match.

MGS3 beat WoW 60/40, and I don't think ToS or Oblivion are anything more than marginally stronger than WoW, if they are at all. MGS2 got 38% on FFX, and I think MGS3 > MGS2, so saying MGS3 gets 40%+ on FFX is very plausible.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 5:03:04 PM | message detail
I don't think Mario World is Top 10 material. Top 15, yeah, but it should be 'exposed' next round..

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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 5:03:50 PM | message detail
I still don't see why RBY couldn't be a top 10 game, though it looks much less likely now that all the Mario games did so well and RBY showed it isn't leagues beyond GS.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 5:04:09 PM | message detail
Well, I was just throwing out the games people are touting as top 10 games. Not saying I think Mario 1 IS a top 10 game.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 5:04:21 PM | message detail
Eh, I would take both ToS and Oblivion to have close-but-comfortable wins over WoW, so can't say I agree there.

Tonight's match should tell us something. MGS3 is probably only a little above MGS2.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 5:06:49 PM | message detail
Basically, here are the top 20 contenders, in my opinion (No particular order):

FFVII
OoT
LTTP
CT
Mario 1
Mario 3
Mario World
Mario 64
SSBM
FFX
RBY
GS
MGS
FFVIII
TP
SSBB
MGS4
RE4
KHII
GoldenEye/MGS3/KH1

The last three are borderline.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 5:07:25 PM | message detail
Hopefully, I didn't forget a really obvious one...
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 5:07:42 PM | message detail
If Mario World is getting exposed next round, I see no reason why all the Mario games wouldn't get exposed too. It really wouldn't be shocking if they all went down to their round 1 levels. We're still pretty far from the point where we can definitely say what the top 10 is. With a 4-way bracket, we might never get there.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 5:09:52 PM | message detail
I think you got everything. Bump TP down to the 'maybe' part and bump up Goldeneye, and remove MGS3. Then it's perfect in my eyes.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 5:10:29 PM | message detail
I'm not taking GoldenEye over TP, so I'm fine with everything where it is.
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transients | Posted 5/18/2009 5:11:28 PM | message detail
you missed FF6. it hasn't played itself out of the top 20 just yet.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 5:11:50 PM | message detail
Oh duh, FFVI. Completely overlooked it.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/18/2009 5:16:14 PM | message detail
MGS3's a more likely top 20 contender than MGS4.
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paperwarior | Posted 5/18/2009 5:17:12 PM | message detail
Albion says "you forgot Fallout 3 since its nearly at the level of SSBB and MGS4 already"
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transients | Posted 5/18/2009 5:17:52 PM | message detail
people who actually post stuff Albion says are worse than Albion

you know better than this!
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 5/18/2009 5:41:09 PM | message detail
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/18/2009 5:42:42 PM | message detail
Raiden doesn't even get to represent his own game. Poor guy

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ZenOfThunder | Posted 5/18/2009 5:43:46 PM | message detail
well the only pics of raiden submitted were of him naked

at least we got Snake offering cigarettes to all the minors visiting the site!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/18/2009 5:45:24 PM | message detail
Advantage Gear Solid
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ffmasterjose | Posted 5/18/2009 5:48:13 PM | message detail
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Aww yeah Pliskin

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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 5:50:04 PM | message detail
Time for a Vice City upset

We've gone too long without something ridiculous happening

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/18/2009 5:51:06 PM | message detail
SM64 just beat CT, KP.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 5:52:29 PM | message detail
That was like, a few days ago, man. It's already become normal!

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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 5:54:25 PM | message detail
Normal? Knuckles > Magus still isn't normal!
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/18/2009 5:54:32 PM | message detail
SM64 just beat CT, KP.

That was like two days ago...

I can't wait until we switch formats and people complain on how boring the contest is.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/18/2009 5:55:27 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 5/18/2009 8:03:04 PM | #373
I don't think Mario World is Top 10 material. Top 15, yeah, but it should be 'exposed' next round..


You *are* kidding me, right?
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 5/18/2009 6:01:15 PM | message detail
Zen Analyzes the Match Pic!

Because nobody else gives a ****!


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Final Fantasy X: Tidus finally pulls out his secret weapon: his shorts! That's right, Tidus' strange pants that have one leg longer than the other and a weird cage thing going around his knee will snatch up all the votes of the hip young trendsetters! Oh and that one youngster from pokemon.

Metal Gear Solid 2: http://img.imgcake.com/Zen/smoke.png

Kingdom Hearts: Hey, I see enough fan art of these three guys holding hands and singing songs drawn by 14 year old girls scattered all over DeviantArt. Now I have to see it on the front page too?

Vice City: I made this one because I wanted Vercetti to look crappy but now everyone is saying it looks good. WHAT MUST I DO TO PLEASE YOU?!


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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 6:04:59 PM | message detail
Oh jeez, I just found a precedent for this match.

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Bad luck, KH.

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creativename | Posted 5/18/2009 6:41:46 PM | message detail
O god not another Pokemon discussion. Complete waste of time.

On SMW, it can't get "exposed" next round because it's situation is pretty horrific. Not FF1 bad, but bad. Losing next round to FF4 should mean nothing to anyone about it's strength. I don't think it'll even truly compete with FF4, but that doesn't mean the game isn't a monster.
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