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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 719

charmander6000 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:22:43 AM | message detail
Don't worry they'll be people in the stats topic that will adjust the stats so RBY stays in the top 10.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ: OoT > Starcraft Points: 137/200
voltch | Posted 5/18/2009 9:24:27 AM | message detail
this would have been more interesting in the 1 vs 1 format but there are some mean looking potential matches available to play with in the intergen 1 vs 1 style...which we'll never ever see again.
but FFVIII looks great there.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/18/2009 9:25:03 AM | message detail
Impressive performance for FF8 here. Almost avoiding the doubling on OoT despite the bad game baggage dragging it down.

Definitely feeling good about a comfortable second place next round.

PREDICTION: R/B/Y does worse against OoT next round than FF8 does today, forever silencing this top 10 nonsense.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:25:24 AM | message detail
Chrono Trigger vs. Melee is a match I've both wanted to see and been terrified of for a few years. Melee could seriously come back from like 6000 down with the ASV in 1v1.
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voltch | Posted 5/18/2009 9:26:55 AM | message detail
r/b/y vs COD4 i wouldn't mind seeing one bit,new age FPS vs one heck of a nostalgia bomb?
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:28:41 AM | message detail
RBY would destroy CoD4
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ: OoT > Starcraft Points: 137/200
voltch | Posted 5/18/2009 9:30:10 AM | message detail
oh,i don't see it getting detroyed 56-44 match tops but not a 60+demolition.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:34:20 AM | message detail
Newer games will crash and burn against older ones. Maybe in a few years CoD4 would perform better, but right now I don't see it standing up against Pokemon or any top 20 game for that matter.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ: OoT > Starcraft Points: 137/200
RPGuy96 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:46:23 AM | message detail
Yikes, if Ocarina destroys the ASV (like it should if it's getting nearly 50% of the DSV), StarCraft is going to look like a joke game. Gimme FFIX over StarCraft in a fair match; that would have been quite the first round upset.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/18/2009 9:51:33 AM | message detail
This is helping us see the extent that Starcraft was beefed up in 2004, and it's crazy. Had it gone up against something like Metroid Prime in an unhyped 8/9 match, it would have probably gone down easily.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 9:53:05 AM | message detail
Starcraft probably had the biggest jump in strength between Wind Waker and SSBM, 4 days later. I maintain that if it had beaten SSBM and faced FFVII 2 days later, it would have finished #3 in the x-stats.
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Lopen | Posted 5/18/2009 9:58:26 AM | message detail
Worst contest ever.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/18/2009 10:05:09 AM | message detail
Don't worry, FFIV is going to shock the world. Just please, somebody, give it a decent pick for Pete's sake.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 10:06:25 AM | message detail
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/18/2009 10:08:20 AM | message detail
Did Bacon even say what the R3 format is supposed to be yet?
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Lopen | Posted 5/18/2009 10:09:21 AM | message detail
Who cares about FFIV.

Realistically, my only hope for anything exciting in this contest lies in RE4 (and perhaps ToS upsetting later this round) at this point. What was the largest comeback in this contest so far? 500 votes?

SFF laden filth.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 10:09:52 AM | message detail
Hopefully not gameplay! That hasn't worked out well for Square RPGs against Mario so far.
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ZFS | Posted 5/18/2009 10:10:22 AM | message detail
Who cares about FFIV.

FFIV all that matters at this point tbqh

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Lopen | Posted 5/18/2009 10:11:01 AM | message detail
Or a Mario game coming out and ripping apart OoT/FFVII or something. You never know with those BEASTS SMW and SM64.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 10:11:21 AM | message detail
ToS/Oblivion should be interesting. WoW should sap some votes from Oblivion, but not too much.

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nintendogirl1 | Posted 5/18/2009 10:12:52 AM | message detail
From: Lopen
Or a Mario game coming out and ripping apart OoT/FFVII or something. You never know with those BEASTS SMW and SM64.

I could see SM64 ripping FF7 a new one potentially. They'll still all completely fold to OoT, but they could theoretically be up there indirectly.

They aren't but with 5 year old stats anything could happen.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 10:13:29 AM | message detail
Or a Mario game coming out and ripping apart OoT/FFVII or something. You never know with those BEASTS SMW and SM64.

During CT/SM64 I thought maybe SM64 > FFVII would be a good thing. But....no, 2 bad results do not make a good result. I don't want anything but CT or Starcraft to upset FFVII/OOT.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/18/2009 10:16:47 AM | message detail
Ocarina isn't getting upset at this point. All the big game stuff that have wowed us are either still a dozen notches below it or pure Nintendo (meaning the SFF hammer will get laid down). If Goldeneye wasn't there, I'd consider Mario 64 > FFVII to be extremely plausible.
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Lopen | Posted 5/18/2009 10:17:19 AM | message detail
I love FFVII, but at this point Donkey Kong beating it would be satisfying to me.
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voltch | Posted 5/18/2009 10:17:41 AM | message detail
wait,was SM64 in the old games contest to begin with?
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 10:18:28 AM | message detail
Yeah, it got fed to OOT in round 2.
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Lopen | Posted 5/18/2009 10:19:07 AM | message detail
Yeah, and in R2 it got shut down by Ocarina like 79-21 or something

I'm going to be slightly annoyed if it impresses this time because that thing cost me a lot of points last contest. (Aw yeah SM64 overestimation->underestimation)
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jonthomson | Posted 5/18/2009 10:19:11 AM | message detail
contest, credibility, lost etc
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/18/2009 10:19:16 AM | message detail
And speaking of Ocarina, it's going to exceed FFVII's percentage before we get to the ASV. This is two rounds now that it's looked like top dog.
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voltch | Posted 5/18/2009 10:20:58 AM | message detail
that's why i couldn't remember a darn thing about it,but after a brilliant first round the FFs are looking shakier.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/18/2009 10:21:29 AM | message detail
In theory..

FFVII/FFX/OoT/Mario 64

Does Mario 64 get L-Block/Snake'd to manage an hour-long push at second?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 10:21:44 AM | message detail
Heh...remember when the argument at the beginning of the contest was "Even if OoT is stronger, it still splits way worse with another Zelda game than FF7 will with another FF game."

Granted, we still haven't seen OoT perform with another Zelda game in the poll, but that argument reversing itself would be wild.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/18/2009 10:22:54 AM | message detail
So far Super Mario 64 is my star of round 2, and Super Mario Kart is the disappointment.
red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 10:23:13 AM | message detail
I'm not sure the Mario games don't fall back down to earth next round. 4-ways are strange; if SMW went from 55% on FF1 to 59% on FF1 + FF4, and SM64 went from 66% to 73% on SOTN, why can't they go the other way next round? Who knows.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/18/2009 10:26:01 AM | message detail
How in the world is Super Mario Kart the disappoint of the round so far? It went from being even with Super Metroid to...being even with Super Metroid, and would have beaten it if not for the usual "board favorite pulling a miracle comeback" things we get so often.
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ZFS | Posted 5/18/2009 10:27:15 AM | message detail
Mario Kart 64 might be the disappointment, but Super Mario Kart pretty much did what should have been expected.

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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 10:27:57 AM | message detail
Also, if OOT is stronger than FFVII now, I think it's basically entirely FFVII dropping from 2004 and not OOT rising. Those 2 games are no longer the cornerstones of this site, and FFVII has had a string of mediocre performances with no performances that wowed me since 2006. A mediocre performance does not prove anything, but a long string of them suggests something. That is to say, champions almost always manage to exceed expectations. Think of what Cloud did in 2003 and Link's response in 2004.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/18/2009 10:28:34 AM | message detail
Chrono Trigger is the disappointment.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 10:28:38 AM | message detail
It's kind of hard for me to call anything in this round a Turd yet. Everything seems to be performing about to our expectations or better, if that's possible.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 10:28:49 AM | message detail
Gimme FFIX over StarCraft in a fair match; that would have been quite the first round upset.

StarCraft is well below what FFIX got against OoT last round (with Chrono Cross there, no less) and dropping. I said in my write-up for this match that I'd take FFIX > StarCraft, and this performance only confirms that for me.

If Goldeneye wasn't there, I'd consider Mario 64 > FFVII to be extremely plausible.

Mario 64 overestimation alert

For the record, OoT made a big jump from the morning vote to the DSV and then a slightly bigger jump to the ASV. Seems to be the same thing happening here. That match was on a Sunday though.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 10:29:03 AM | message detail
I thought about CT, but it still tripled SotN.

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red sox 777 | Posted 5/18/2009 10:29:38 AM | message detail
CT probably is the disappointment this round. But just you wait, it'll be star of the round next round! BELIEVE!!!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 10:29:53 AM | message detail
So far the turd is...I dunno, Street Fighter II or Mario Kart 64?

Of course, we've still got Halo coming up in the next division!
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/18/2009 10:30:27 AM | message detail
Really, picking any major disappointment outside of FF1/MM3 feels wrong to me. Both of those games got completely buried. At least other games that have underperformed looked good compared to some member of their competition, but both of those games just sucked it up completely.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 10:30:50 AM | message detail
And I think Mario 64/CT is all about Mario 64 being a star than it is about CT being a turd, even though no one expected it.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/18/2009 10:31:33 AM | message detail
Oh, yeah. Mario Kart 64 fits the bill too. MM3/FF1/MK64 the Unholy Trinity of Ass so far.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/18/2009 10:34:28 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 5/18/2009 1:21:44 PM | #282
Heh...remember when the argument at the beginning of the contest was "Even if OoT is stronger, it still splits way worse with another Zelda game than FF7 will with another FF game."

Granted, we still haven't seen OoT perform with another Zelda game in the poll, but that argument reversing itself would be wild.


FF7 won't win, but today's trio is much weaker than what FF7 went up against.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2009 10:36:38 AM | message detail
Much weaker? FFVIII is probably the strongest game here.

Heck, go ahead and rank them (assuming no SFF at all)

GoldenEye
Mario RPG
Mario Kart 64
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX
StarCraft
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/18/2009 10:37:17 AM | message detail
Next round's comparison will be interesting.

Each match for OoT/FFVII will be

Big Gun
Thing Big Gun Should Hurt
Two Games Slightly Related
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/18/2009 10:38:30 AM | message detail
Final Fantasy VIII
GoldenEye
Final Fantasy IX
Mario RPG
Mario Kart 64
StarCraft

Yeah, I think this pack is a tad stronger, even with the LFF.

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