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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 717

UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/16/2009 9:30:36 PM | message detail
I can't believe Pokemon has nearly half the vote with a Zelda in the way. MGS is toast next round.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/16/2009 9:31:15 PM | message detail
I can't believe Pokemon has nearly half the vote with a Zelda in the way.

Why? It did it last round.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:31:35 PM | message detail
So guys sorta like last match just how big a vote lead do you guys think MGS is gonna need to make sure Pokemon RBY doesn't snatch 1st away from him this round?

Well considering the Nintendo games are going to split the day vote anything above 1000 would make MGS look good, but breaking 2000 will give it the match.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:32:03 PM | message detail
True Ulti, but don't forget people consider MM as the "black sheep" of the Zelda series up against the first two generations of the pokemon series.

So yeah MM is in trouble.
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greatone10 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:32:31 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 5/16/2009 9:31:15 PM | #452
I can't believe Pokemon has nearly half the vote with a Zelda in the way.

Why? It did it last round.


Probably because there is a Gold and Silver elephant in the way and it's still happening.
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transience | Posted 5/16/2009 9:32:43 PM | message detail
time to make a controversial list

1. OOT
1a. FF7
3. Pokemon RBY
4. Mario 64
5. Melee
7. LTTP
8. CT
8. Mario 3
9. FF10
10. Mario World

simply put, I have no respect for old games against newer ones until they prove me otherwise. (which they really never can, but Mario 64 vs. CT said a lot)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/16/2009 9:33:11 PM | message detail
(which they really never can, but Mario 64 vs. CT said a lot)

...They're separated by one year.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:33:16 PM | message detail
MM is doing much better relative to RBY than last round, by the way.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/16/2009 9:33:19 PM | message detail
Probably because there is a Gold and Silver elephant in the way and it's still happening.

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transience | Posted 5/16/2009 9:33:57 PM | message detail
2d vs. 3d is a big distinction. that means more than the actual age, I'd say.
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/16/2009 9:34:10 PM | message detail
1. Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Final Fantasy 7
3. Zelda: Link to the Past
4. Super Mario Bros. 3
5. Super Mario 64
6. Super Mario World
7. Pokemon RBY
8. Super Smash Bros. Melee
9. Chrono Trigger
10. Final Fantasy X

I think we can at least agree on what the Top 10 games are, if not their order.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/16/2009 9:34:25 PM | message detail
Majora's Mask being more independent was a given. It's got 42.71% on R/B/Y right now, by the way.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:34:53 PM | message detail
Mario 64 doesn't qualify as a "newer" game to most people on this site. It came out 13 years ago, 1 year before FFVII and 1 year after CT. If anything, it's very nostalgia driven.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:35:17 PM | message detail
Now that you point that out transcience, that explains how CT was royally crushed by SM64 as that game basically what helped cause the grand shift from 2d to 3d gaming.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/16/2009 9:36:07 PM | message detail

From: transience | Posted: 5/17/2009 12:33:57 AM | #460
2d vs. 3d is a big distinction. that means more than the actual age, I'd say.


But Chrono Trigger is a 3D game. The producers told me so after I killed Lavos in Lucca's time machine!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/16/2009 9:36:11 PM | message detail
I tried to make a Top 10 list and got stuck after 2.

...yeah.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/16/2009 9:36:29 PM | message detail
2d vs. 3d is a big distinction. that means more than the actual age, I'd say.

You're probably right.

I still say Mario 3 beats Mario 64 as of now. I know those old polls mean very little, but Mario 3 still beat it with ease in that Mario game poll. Of course, that means nothing relative to this contest, as we've seen repeatedly. I think games like Mario 3 are the exception to stuff like that.

MGS's lead at exactly 100.
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Greenmonkey034 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:36:42 PM | message detail
My Attempt...

1. Zelda:OoT
2. Final Fantasy VII
3. Super Mario 64
4. Pokemon RBY
5. Zelda: LttP
6. Super Mario Bros. 3
7. SSBM
8. Super Mario Bros.
9. Final Fantasy X
10. Chrono Trigger? Sure...
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/16/2009 9:36:43 PM | message detail
Well considering the Nintendo games are going to split the day vote anything above 1000 would make MGS look good, but breaking 2000 will give it the match.

GS managed to cut off about 700 votes from MGS's lead during the ASV, so I'm thinking RBY should be able to do slightly better than that.
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transience | Posted 5/16/2009 9:36:54 PM | message detail
yeah, 3 is closer to 10 than it is 2. heck, it's probably closer to 15.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/16/2009 9:37:49 PM | message detail
This is brilliant for the Pokemon games, but it scares me a bit.

From: transience | #456
time to make a controversial list

1. OOT
1a. FF7
3. Pokemon RBY
4. Mario 64
5. Melee
7. LTTP
8. CT
8. Mario 3
9. FF10
10. Mario World

simply put, I have no respect for old games against newer ones until they prove me otherwise. (which they really never can, but Mario 64 vs. CT said a lot)


I see where you're coming from, but it's still difficult to imagine RBY taking out every single Mario game. I doubt the Nintendo fanbase wants such a thing. Regardless, such little diversity in these lists is pretty awful, but what can we do.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:37:50 PM | message detail
We'll see LttP beat Mario 64 soon enough!

And I think if RBY was the #3 game on the site it'd be winning right now, split be damned. (I still think it might, though.)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/16/2009 9:37:51 PM | message detail
1. Final Fantasy VII
2. Ocarina of Time
3. Link to the Past
4. Mario 3
5. SSBM
6. Mario World/Mario 64

...Yeah. Not even too sure about this.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:37:57 PM | message detail
1. FFVII
2. OoT
3. LttP
4. Mario 64
5. RBY
6. Mario 3
7. CT
8. Mario World
9. FFX
10. Melee

But honestly after 2 I'm making it up as I go along.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/16/2009 9:38:26 PM | message detail
1. FF7
1a. OoT
3. LTTP
3a. Mario 3
5. Mario 64
6. Mario World
7. Pokemon RBY
8. Melee
9. Chrono Trigger
10. Mario 1
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:38:27 PM | message detail
GS managed to cut off about 700 votes from MGS's lead during the ASV, so I'm thinking RBY should be able to do slightly better than that.

GS was also the only ASV type game. There's three day vote games plus tomorrow is Sunday rather than a weekday.
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transience | Posted 5/16/2009 9:38:59 PM | message detail
yeah, we are hilariously two-sided. you could have a best Nintendo/Square contest and it wouldn't even ruin much.

but we all knew that already.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/16/2009 9:39:35 PM | message detail
For me, the Super Six are the Super Six until they lose. Chrono Trigger lost, so get it out.

I guess I put Trigger at #7 then.
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xp1337 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:39:52 PM | message detail
yeah, 3 is closer to 10 than it is 2. heck, it's probably closer to 15.

Yeah, I'd definitely buy that. I know my lack of RBY on mine is probably controversial in light of what's happening right now, and it'd get worse if I said there's probably two more games (FF8 and Brawl) I'd still put ahead of it, but it's just all so close that you could arrange them in almost any order because I don't see more than a few % separating all of them.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/16/2009 9:40:22 PM | message detail
Oh, and the game between 2 and 3 is definitely huge, especially if CT overperformed on FFVII in the final (and if SSBM did as well, both of which are possible).
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/16/2009 9:40:35 PM | message detail
The gap, not the game.
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transience | Posted 5/16/2009 9:40:36 PM | message detail
I'm surprised you all have such respect for LTTP. what reason is there for that? it can't be its performances against stuff it should have murdered, and it can't be because of history after what you just saw out of CT.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/16/2009 9:40:37 PM | message detail
RBY stall!!!!!

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charmander6000 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:40:47 PM | message detail
People tend to forget that the Super Six has FFVI not Melee.

Reason why Melee wasn't added was because the 128-bit division was too close to it.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:40:56 PM | message detail
RBY over the big Mario games I have trouble seeing from a purely non-stats point of view. They are all heavily nostalgia driven games, but the NES/SNES generation still has more voters than the N64/PS generation here. The post-Pokehate generation isn't really going to help RBY there either.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:41:21 PM | message detail
oh lord

once the Metal Gear Power Hour ends, Pokemon's going to run away with this. *fistpump*
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:41:22 PM | message detail
Yes GS cut!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/16/2009 9:41:33 PM | message detail
Ha, G/S just cut MM by nearly 20.
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xp1337 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:42:20 PM | message detail
I'm surprised you all have such respect for LTTP. what reason is there for that? it can't be its performances against stuff it should have murdered, and it can't be because of history after what you just saw out of CT.

ZeldaFEAR?

Honestly, I'm not sure. You're absolutely right that the CT match should be a wake up call against LttP, but I remain confident in it, even if only because the site trending Nintendo in a big way since 2k4 should cover the difference.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/16/2009 9:43:08 PM | message detail
LttP is basically #3 by default at the moment to me. I haven't seen anything that makes me think, "Whoa, this thing could beat LTTP."
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transience | Posted 5/16/2009 9:44:07 PM | message detail
I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe "LTTP could beat this", either.

honestly, I don't think LTTP is far from any other game on that list, but everyone seems to have it there because we've always had it there. I want to shake up that thinking and ask "why?".

and we'll never know thanks to this bracket argh
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:44:27 PM | message detail
Also, as tranny said about this site being very pro-Nintendo/Square. MGS was pretty much the consensus strongest non-Nintendo/Square entity, and here it is struggling to break 60% on a low-tier Zelda, despite a pair of beloved Nintendo games from the same era in there. We love our Nintendo and Square here on SquintendoFAQS.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:44:30 PM | message detail
As I said a couple days back, I used to have tremendous confidence that no Nintendo game beside OOT could touch LTTP, but after a series of matches starting with SMB/LoZ, I no longer feel that way. LTTP still gets some benefit of the doubt until it proves otherwise though.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:44:49 PM | message detail
If the LttP comment was directed at me, it's because it's my favourite game in the contest, and, unlike a bunch of other favourites of mine (augh CT and FFVI), it hasn't given me any reason to doubt it yet.

I agree that LttP was merely good in the first two rounds, though it hasn't been in the spotlight yet - both of those matches were about second place. We'll see what it can do against FFVI in an unfavourable situation where it really needs to bring the SFF hammer down.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/16/2009 9:45:43 PM | message detail
Keep it up, RBY!

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Xcarvenger | Posted 5/16/2009 9:45:46 PM | message detail
1. Final Fantasy VII
2. Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Zelda: Link to the Past
4. Pokemon RBY
5. Super Mario Bros. 3
6. Super Mario Bros.
7. Super Mario 64
8. Super Mario World
9. Super Smash Bros. Melee
10. Final Fantasy X

Mario 1 top tier
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:46:02 PM | message detail
MGS needs to kick things up, but the Asian Pokemon vote is stalling it.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/16/2009 9:46:42 PM | message detail
What's with the Melee love it's done nothing impressive yet?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/16/2009 9:46:47 PM | message detail
FFVIII > R/B/Y
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