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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 717

red sox 777 | Posted 5/15/2009 10:00:17 PM | message detail
Let's give this another try. FFVII trends....ACTIVATE!

(By the way, it appears that most people wanted to get remove Hochi's League of Excellence from the opening post, so I did so. If that isn't what everybody wants, whoever makes the next topic can put it back.)

~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/15/2009 11:55:17 PM | message detail
oi
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/15/2009 11:55:42 PM | message detail
:D
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 5/15/2009 11:57:05 PM | message detail
redsox.. how could you possibly have been disappointed by ff7 this round?
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Nominate Red XIII for the Character Battle VII!
He's the Lion with a fire tail from Final Fantasy VII.
MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/15/2009 11:57:38 PM | message detail
This will be a good match simply because Mario is stalling CT on possibly its best time frame outside the dead hours.
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BGE2 - Today: CT > SM64 - Points: 136 Vote: SM64
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/15/2009 11:58:48 PM | message detail
red sox 777 | Posted 5/16/2009 2:48:00 AM | message detail
It's projection time!

Based on:

Mario/Crono 2003 (started at 1 AM): Chrono Trigger wins with 50.02%
Mario/Crono 2004 (started at 3 AM): Super Mario 64 wins with 50.44%
Mario/Crono 2005 (started at 3 AM): Super Mario 64 wins with 51.00%


Wait, matches started at 1 AM back in 2003?
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/15/2009 11:59:07 PM | message detail
It was up against 3 Nintendo games, and couldn't manage 48%. That's not really bad, but impressive would have been getting 50%. The trouble is that FFVII cannot be content with "satisfactory" if OOT pulls impressive performances, which it did last round.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/15/2009 11:59:59 PM | message detail
Indeed they did, although Mario/Crono 2 actually started at 12:40 and ended at 1:07.
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/16/2009 12:01:56 AM | message detail
I've been getting some fan email so I'll answer some I got from last week


Will Chrono Trigger win today?


Hard to say. It will be epic. One thing is for sure - CT has no chance at all next round. CT is going to go down to the wire with SM64 despite another Mario game weighing SM64 down. I don't know why SM64 is so strong and I don't know know how. It matters not. CT has fallen. This should have been obvious when Frog nearly lost to Axel, Magus lost to Sandbag and Crono lost to an optional FFVII side character.


What did you think of Final Fantasy VII's performance?


Amazing.


Why does FFVII do so well during the "Deep night"


Because that's when the Freedom Fighters come out to vote


Why does FFVII do so poorly during the day?


Because that's when the proles come out to vote.


How do I join the league of excellence?


You can't. Stop emailing me this crap.


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__hiei__ | Posted 5/16/2009 12:02:05 AM | message detail
well..based on the latest Vincent vs Crono , CT only needs about a 900~1000 lead to win.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/16/2009 12:03:25 AM | message detail
I've been getting some fan email so I'll answer some I got from last week

xD
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__hiei__ | Posted 5/16/2009 12:05:36 AM | message detail
Crono lost to an optional FFVII side character.

and beat him the year after

anyways i think most would rank Vincent above Sonic and Megaman nowdays (and at least above sonic,everyone).he's a very strong character.
red sox 777 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:05:42 AM | message detail
Chrono Trigger by the hour against Super Mario 64:

1:00 | 50.22%
2:00 | 51.56%
3:00 | 52.64%

CT improves that hour also. Let's see if it can keep going or not.
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 5/16/2009 12:05:49 AM | message detail
you can't compare vincent to mario.. Mario does extremely well in the morning/afternoon.. Vincent follows the ff7 trend.. not so bad, but no where near one of top nintendo contenders.
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Nominate Red XIII for the Character Battle VII!
He's the Lion with a fire tail from Final Fantasy VII.
transience | Posted 5/16/2009 12:06:51 AM | message detail
looks like CT's gone into its downward spiral. this could be a long stall into the morning, where Mario just embarrasses it.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:06:53 AM | message detail
Trigger is determined to win this with the day vote.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/16/2009 12:06:57 AM | message detail
CT seriously needs to take off soon if it wants any chance at all
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/16/2009 12:11:17 AM | message detail
Chrono Trigger? Duel Mario 64 in the day? Are you insane? That is impossible.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/16/2009 12:22:44 AM | message detail
I think Mario goes into next round as a huge favorite, meaning that FFVII better count its blessings. Not only does this kill that LttP > FFVII pick, but Goldeneye's presence kills off what's looking like a plausible SM64 > FFVII nuclear warhead next round. Topping it all off is LttP still likely making the finals, guaranteeing VII the repeat championship. This will be followed by an ET/Superman 64/Big Rigs/Shaq-Fu clash instead of the FFVII/OoT blowoff we all want to see.

Great match tonight btw, but this might not look like it was ever close in 12 hours.
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/16/2009 12:26:36 AM | message detail
Sailor Bacon better have a FFVII/OoT real match after the finals.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/16/2009 12:27:09 AM | message detail
yep, CT is done
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 5/16/2009 12:28:29 AM | message detail
sm64 beat ff7 next round, are you joking?
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Nominate Red XIII for the Character Battle VII!
He's the Lion with a fire tail from Final Fantasy VII.
Lopen | Posted 5/16/2009 12:29:08 AM | message detail
Eh, I think CT will continue to gain through the night. Nintendo entries often have a spike between 3am-3:30am. People used to claim it was from the Smash site updating but I prefer to think this is the European ASV or something.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:29:22 AM | message detail
Ok, CT is doomed. Good night, and I hope CT does something ridiculous like win the day vote.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/16/2009 12:29:48 AM | message detail
europeon asv? Its like 8:30 am in europe, its morning vote if anything
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Gaddswell | Posted 5/16/2009 12:29:56 AM | message detail
Just got home.

Whoa SM64.

Woah CT.
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/16/2009 12:30:26 AM | message detail
CT/LttP
Crono/Mario I
Crono/Mario II
Crono/Vincent I
Crono/Vincent II
Frog/L. Snake
Frog/Master Chief
Frog/Axel
Magus/Ganondorf
Magus/Knuckles
Magus/Sandbag
Lavos/Mother Brain


...and now this. CT has single-handily made contests interesting.




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Lopen | Posted 5/16/2009 12:30:46 AM | message detail
That's why I said "or something." I don't remember the time zone to Britain-- though in retrospect I should because I'm at GMT -7

That would actually make more sense anyway as Nintendo entries do well in the morning.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:31:02 AM | message detail
Uhh...not to say anything about the other time zones, but I'm pretty sure schools in Germany don't get out at 9:30 AM, and none of the other European time zones are THAT far ahead.
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/16/2009 12:31:29 AM | message detail
In Europe they have a siesta at about this time. Could explain it.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/16/2009 12:31:33 AM | message detail
what was THAT
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:31:40 AM | message detail
Beaten like a Chrono Trigger during the day by Albion
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 5/16/2009 12:31:58 AM | message detail
but its saturday
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Nominate Red XIII for the Character Battle VII!
He's the Lion with a fire tail from Final Fantasy VII.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/16/2009 12:32:06 AM | message detail
two straight large cuts for Mario. and with that, im going to bed. good night crono
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:32:11 AM | message detail
Nothing is better than Mario at the morning. But uh.....I need to go to sleep before CT falls apart even further.
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transience | Posted 5/16/2009 12:32:11 AM | message detail
haha Lavos/Mother Brain

those were the days
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:34:12 AM | message detail
Lavos/Mother Brain, a match made famous by CJayC.
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/16/2009 12:34:56 AM | message detail
but its saturday


Doesn't matter in Europe. Europeans go to school 6 days a week. That is why they have a better education than Americans and beat them.


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transience | Posted 5/16/2009 12:35:23 AM | message detail
that contest taught me that there are way too many big blobs as bosses
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 5/16/2009 12:35:51 AM | message detail
do they at least get longer summers?
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Nominate Red XIII for the Character Battle VII!
He's the Lion with a fire tail from Final Fantasy VII.
transience | Posted 5/16/2009 12:36:16 AM | message detail
haha

hey gullible is written on the ceiling
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:36:18 AM | message detail
Lavos and Mother Brain got nothing on Secret of Mana's slime boss where the more you hit it, the larger and more blobbier it got.
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transience | Posted 5/16/2009 12:37:23 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/spc2k5/thumb_b15.jpg

never forgive, never forget
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:37:57 AM | message detail
Nice recovery there, CT, just enough to keep the hope alive.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:38:21 AM | message detail
Every game is made better by a giant killer fin.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:39:15 AM | message detail
In fact, Europe gets school 6 days a week and shorter summers. That's why they have such horrible taste in video games.
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Lopen | Posted 5/16/2009 12:41:02 AM | message detail
And as the 1:00-1:30 block ends, the cuts stop.

What can I say I know my late night trends !! (of course now the cuts are going to resume just because I need a sock in my mouth)
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:41:49 AM | message detail
Lopen gonna get Foley'd
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Lopen | Posted 5/16/2009 12:42:22 AM | message detail
Mr. Socko can't touch this.

I am a trend calling god.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/16/2009 12:42:40 AM | message detail
And.....CT gets its second best update of the match while Mario gets its worst now? Lopen, you sure know your trends!
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