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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 715

charmander6000 | Posted 5/14/2009 10:06:05 PM | message detail
So can we agree that SM/SMK was legit then?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/14/2009 10:06:06 PM | message detail

From: _HyperSpace_ | #247
Not to mention that a lot more cheating/proxy prevention methods are in place now.

Not to mention you can't even vote stuff using multiple accounts anymore. I heard from Ulti that this has been in place since the 2007 character battle. I've tested this out on a non-contest poll before. I tested it out on the April Fool's Day poll, where I tried to vote stuff for the invisible poll option. I did the testing overnight when the invisible poll option was getting 0-1 vote updates. Even though I could stuff about 20-25 votes during a 5 minute period, the invisible poll option was still pulling off its standard 0-1 vote updates, showing that my votes weren't going through at all. The fact that you can't vote stuff with multiple accounts anymore could probably explain why Bacon hasn't once removed cheat votes or posted a topic explaining whether or not there was cheating in a close match.


zomg admitting attempting to stuff
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creativename | Posted 5/14/2009 10:07:07 PM | message detail
I tested it out on the April Fool's Day poll, where I tried to vote stuff for the invisible poll option. I did the testing overnight when the invisible poll option was getting 0-1 vote updates. Even though I could stuff about 20-25 votes during a 5 minute period, the invisible poll option was still pulling off its standard 0-1 vote updates, showing that my votes weren't going through at all.

Most interesting post in a while. Thanks.
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_HyperSpace_ | Posted 5/14/2009 10:08:23 PM | message detail
That was in a non-contest poll. I wouldn't test anything out on a contest match. And yes, even in a non-contest poll (like the April Fool's Day poll), I still couldn't vote stuff with multiple accounts. So it would stand to reason that you couldn't do that on a contest match either.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/14/2009 10:09:14 PM | message detail

From: _HyperSpace_ | #254
That was in a non-contest poll. I wouldn't test anything out on a contest match. And yes, even in a non-contest poll (like the April Fool's Day poll), I still couldn't vote stuff with multiple accounts. So it would stand to reason that you couldn't do that on a contest match either.


Just because the easiest way that used to work doesn't work anymore doesn't mean it still can't be done in more complicated ways.
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ZFS | Posted 5/14/2009 10:09:15 PM | message detail
Yeah, FFVII breaking 45% here would be good. Not impressive by any means, but it'd be a good rebound, enough to put it in line with what it did in round 1, I'd say.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:09:51 PM | message detail
Well, most people had FFVII around 45% or so anyway, so if it could get up there, I don't think anyone would really be disappointed.
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_HyperSpace_ | Posted 5/14/2009 10:10:53 PM | message detail
Just because the easiest way that used to work doesn't work anymore doesn't mean it still can't be done in more complicated ways.

There may be other ways, but let's not discuss that because we aren't allowed to anyways.
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/14/2009 10:11:16 PM | message detail
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/14/2009 10:11:58 PM | message detail
Heh I just checked the crew and noticed everyone had mario rpg in last

I'm surprised, I didn't think people were so down on it
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/14/2009 10:12:52 PM | message detail
I forgot to mention Same Year SFF. I mean, what else could explain Final Fantasy IV, Super Mario Kart, and even Mario Kart 64 bombing so horribly?

Then again both Mario Karts were in matches with Nintendo opponents. And at Super Mario World shares a similarity with Final Fantasy IV; they were both SNES launch titles and I believe some versions of FFIV were published by Nintendo, no?

Does that mean that the old-school Final Fantasies also share the Nintendo fanbase?

Now, Same Year SFF could also be a reason why Half-Life did so badly.
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:13:03 PM | message detail
I'm not down on Mario RPG at all. I just thought it was the weakest game in the match. I've been a proponent of it having legit strength from the beginning. I figured the split would favor MK64.

Whoops.
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/14/2009 10:14:08 PM | message detail
On second thought, we are getting a little off topic here. Let us get back to the match on hand.

So does anyone still think that FF7 is stronger than OoT after what we have seen so far?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:14:39 PM | message detail
I don't have any reason to doubt FFVII yet, but then again, I am notoriously stubborn when it comes to games I like.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/14/2009 10:14:39 PM | message detail

From: MetricTrout | #262
On second thought, we are getting a little off topic here. Let us get back to the match on hand.

So does anyone still think that FF7 is stronger than OoT after what we have seen so far?


Nope. I'm liking OoT > FF7 in a direct matchup atm
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Lopen | Posted 5/14/2009 10:17:35 PM | message detail
Heh I just checked the crew and noticed everyone had mario rpg in last

I'm surprised, I didn't think people were so down on it


Hey! I had it in a dead heat with MK64!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/14/2009 10:18:38 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #265
Heh I just checked the crew and noticed everyone had mario rpg in last

I'm surprised, I didn't think people were so down on it


Hey! I had it in a dead heat with MK64!


tied for last is still last >_>
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:18:41 PM | message detail
So does GE's performance here change anyone's mind about the showdown with Mario 64 next round?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:18:57 PM | message detail
Technically, they'd be tied for third, not last.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/14/2009 10:19:37 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #268
Technically, they'd be tied for third, not last.


third or not, they're both last place of the match.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/14/2009 10:20:03 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #267
So does GE's performance here change anyone's mind about the showdown with Mario 64 next round?


seeing as how it'll end up about how i thought (34-35%), no.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:20:13 PM | message detail
For all you know, Super Mario RPG could be 1 vote ahead and they still have the same percentage!
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ZFS | Posted 5/14/2009 10:21:11 PM | message detail
FFVII rocking right now.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:21:24 PM | message detail
47% update as FFVII flies past 43%. It only took FFVII 30 minutes to go from 42% to 43%. At this rate, it'll finish with...

66%, not bad.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/14/2009 10:23:56 PM | message detail
Going by the Same Year SFF theory, Super Mario RPG had STF. And now I'm listening to Super Metroid music; the opening/ending theme is oddly appropriate for now (coming off of the game itself having a close match). Eh, I'm predicting tomorrow's match.

This is my favorite match of round 2 as far as the games go, but this should be clear cut. Chrono Trigger takes an easy first, Super Mario 64 takes 2nd place, Yoshi's Island finishes in last. There are some ways that you can make 2nd place a toss-up between Mario 64 and Symphony of the Night, though. Symphony of the Night is the only non-Squintendo game in the match, which could work in its favor. Then again, wasn't Half-Life in the same situation? Bah to that. Though I'm not ruling it out, and it is Symphony of the Night, a game that never gets blown out. Super Mario 64 also has some level of STF since it's the only 3d game here, but who votes based on looks? I'm calling it a 40-30-20-10 match again. Symphony of the Night did worst of these games last round as far as vote totals go, but Yoshi's Island has to deal with Super Mario 64. I wouldn't be too surprised if Symphony of the Night finished last though. As for my vote, Super Mario 64 holds a special place in my heart since it was the first video game I had ever heard of, but I have to vote for that time-travelling RPG. I haven't played Chrono Trigger yet, but I'm looking forward to owning the DS version sometime (Christmas probably), and I'll vote for it over any game except for Ocarina of Time. And there you have it. I like all of the games here, BTW. These are all classics. Anybody want to agree with me?
Super Mario 64 - 30%, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - 20%, Chrono Trigger - 40%, Yoshi's Island - 10%
Prediction: Chrono Trigger > Super Mario 64
Bracket: Chrono Trigger > Super Mario 64
Favorites: Chrono Trigger > Super Mario 64
Favorites Bracket: Chrono Trigger > Super Mario 64 (yeah yeah)
Younger Brother's Favorites: Yoshi's Island > Super Mario 64
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:25:08 PM | message detail
Same Year SFF? How many people even remember what years games are released?

Well, I guess they are divided by year, so...But I only know like PS FF games and MGS games by year.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/14/2009 10:25:20 PM | message detail
So does GE's performance here change anyone's mind about the showdown with Mario 64 next round?

I always thought it would hamper Mario 64 enough to make CT safe, although now it's looking like it'll do a bit more than just hamper. Unfortunately, I could see Mario 64 overperforming on it because it's the only Mario/true Nintendo game there, but I'm hoping that doesn't get everyone down on Goldeneye as a damn good contender.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:26:27 PM | message detail
Well, GoldenEye is standing up just fine in the face of two Mario games. Sure, they're not in the same league as Mario 64 (though I'd wager Mario RPG really isn't THAT far off), but still.
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transience | Posted 5/14/2009 10:28:14 PM | message detail
Mario RPG's pretty good, but it ain't Mario 64.
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Zenithian Legend | Posted 5/14/2009 10:28:52 PM | message detail
And as expected the Mario games are killing each other allowing Goldeneye to more easily capture 2nd.

Now... I just completely lost my line of thought there, there's some cats outside and it sounds like they're killing each other! Meeoooowww Rrraoooowwww MRrrrrEEEEEEEEOWWWW!!! mrrrr grrrr MEEEOWW MEOOWWW MEEEOOOOOOOOWW!!!!! ... and then silence lol


... ok sorry about the cats, where was I?


Oh yes, Goldeneye was a fantastic game (IMO) and may deserve second place (or first pending on who you ask) regardless, but having two Mario games in the bracket certainly diminishes the competitive spirit for today's poll.

IMO, all 4 were very good, if not great games. Oh no... the cats, again!

Sorry for anyone trying to follow along here... anyway, the point of this rant, was that I think in the future they should try to cluster together all the Final Fantasy games (or characters), all the Mario games, all the same genre games (fighting, FPS, etc) into groups of 4 and go from there. Trying to eliminate some of the brutal same fan base factor days like today can have.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:29:36 PM | message detail
Well, based on direct performances on Chrono Trigger, Mario RPG gets 40% on Mario World (the same one that's threatening Mario 3, apparently), so I doubt it's that far from Mario 64. A step below sure, but not much more than a step.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/14/2009 10:32:54 PM | message detail
Well now, this is surprising.

I was expecting Mario Kart to be a threat to Goldeneye and for Mario RPG to be the one beat into the ground.

Looks like GE/SM64 is potentially interesting.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/14/2009 10:33:41 PM | message detail
Hochi's list got its laugh, let's take it off. We great ones don't have to announce our greatness to others so openly (even if BT does)!

I know you were taking a jab at me, but you just admitted I am great.

Now all we need is for Brawl to beat the piss out of Galaxy and your failure will be complete.
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/14/2009 10:35:50 PM | message detail
I was never too impressed Chrono Trigger's performance last round, and I think SM64 has a realistic chance of coming in first tomorrow.

The problem with Chrono Trigger's first match was that it was one huge SNES SFF-fest. Sort of like Pokemon RBY's and SSBM's first matches, that I am a lot more sold on SSBM as a Top 10 game than CT/Pokemon.

Plus, we have no idea how strong Yoshi's Island really is. It lost to SMB2 in the favorite Mario poll, and if it really is around SMB2 in strength, then that really says nothing about CT.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/14/2009 10:35:59 PM | message detail
Yeah, but Mario RPG got 33% on Chrono Trigger in 2004 and at the moment it has 31% on FFVII with two other Nintendo games in the poll.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:38:02 PM | message detail
Oh right, yesterday's chart:

Time | FFVI | LOZ: LA | Sonic 2 | MKII | Demographic
EBV | 34.58% | 32.13% | 22.49% | 10.79% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 37.80% | 30.17% | 20.15% | 11.88% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 39.52% | 29.64% | 18.93% | 11.90% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 38.01% | 30.19% | 19.52% | 12.27% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 38.53% | 29.96% | 19.11% | 12.40% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 34.85% | 33.14% | 19.33% | 12.68% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 37.60% | 32.32% | 17.31% | 12.77% | (22:00-24:00)

FFVI with an awful board vote, a great night vote, and an awful ASV, as expected. LA with a great board vote and a great ASV, as expected. Sonic 2 had a great board vote, a bad night vote, and a good morning vote. MKII with an awful board vote, and a good day vote.

Yesterday's stats:

Final Fantasy VI – 50.00%
Link’s Awakening – 45.49%
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 – 33.94%
Mortal Kombat II – 24.89%

Lower Half Stats

Final Fantasy VI – 50.00%
Link’s Awakening (Round 2) – 45.89%
Link’s Awakening (Round 1) – 43.91%
Mega Man X – 38.08%
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 – 33.94%
Mortal Kombat II (Round 1) – 30.31%
The Secret of Mana – 27.92%
Mortal Kombat II (Round 2) – 24.89%
Shining Force II – 10.06%
Phantasy Star IV – 9.02%
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:39:15 PM | message detail
Eh, Mario RPG will finish well below 30% on FFVII by the time this is all said and done. There's still the infamous Europe vote to look forward to.

But yeah, it's hard to compare strength, but they shared a common opponent.
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syco_coaster | Posted 5/14/2009 10:41:49 PM | message detail
SM64 getting first on CT with Yoshi's Island in the poll? Not impossible, but HIGHLY unlikely.

Hopefully it does happen, cause that's what my bracket says! (had Earthbound over YI)
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/14/2009 10:42:06 PM | message detail
2004 numbers are pretty meaningless now.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/14/2009 10:43:04 PM | message detail
CT is gonna demolish Mario 64 tomorrow

58-42% is my prediction
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/14/2009 10:44:44 PM | message detail
Given that Mario Kart 64 hit 30% on FFVII last round (with another N64 game in the poll) and Mario RPG is beating it quite easily, I don't think it's much of a stretch to say Mario RPG would break 30% on FFVII 1v1 even if it falls below that here. That's a pretty substantial difference from 33% on CT.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:47:29 PM | message detail
Oh man, nearly a 49% update for FFVII there. Getting ready to pass 63% on GoldenEye.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/14/2009 10:47:44 PM | message detail
CT's going to open up a big gap between itself and Mario 64. I don't want to be too optimistic so as to avoid disappointment, but we could see 60-40 tomorrow.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 10:51:43 PM | message detail
It's interesting to note that MK64 is getting about the same on FFVII that Star Fox 64 got last round.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/14/2009 10:51:51 PM | message detail
Even if YI gets demolished like it should (there's the game most likely to get Mega Man 3'd), it's still another Mario platformer in the poll, meaning it's still a notable detriment to SM64. Keeping that in mind, I wouldn't see low 40s on Chrono Trigger as a bad performance at all.
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Meeks54 | Posted 5/14/2009 10:52:00 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #171
Ocarina of Time would make the finals if it had to deal with LttP in every single match. Please let's not doubt Ocarina's ability to tear **** up.




Thank god there is ONE other person sane enough to understand this. Good job Yo.
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/14/2009 10:59:38 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1181

Yeah, I know. Super old, irrelevant poll. But if Yoshi's Island is half as weak as this poll suggests it is, SM64 has a good shot tomorrow.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/14/2009 11:00:41 PM | message detail
SM64 would get beat easily if YI weren't in the poll at all.
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ZFS | Posted 5/14/2009 11:01:05 PM | message detail
A good shot at what? Coming in first? It won't get close.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/14/2009 11:03:14 PM | message detail
Tomorrow's match is about as locked in as it gets. If it's anything other than CT > SM64 > SOTN >> YI, I'll be shocked,
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