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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 712

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/12/2009 9:50:58 PM | message detail
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creativename | Posted 5/12/2009 9:51:09 PM | message detail
Yeah, it looks a little off to me, too, but I feel like I'm overrating FFIV a bit or something. I blame the stats topic !

I don't follow. LA>FF4 is crazy.
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ZFS | Posted 5/12/2009 9:52:38 PM | message detail
I don't think it's that crazy. I'd probably pick FFIV in a match between the two, but it did do well on FFVI (something around 45%, I think), which is hard to call bad.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2009 9:52:54 PM | message detail
LTTP taking off now.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/12/2009 9:53:26 PM | message detail
FFVI would 60-40 FFIV indirectly, and LA did better than that on FFVI. Seems pretty clear-cut.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/12/2009 9:55:19 PM | message detail
I don't think LA > FFIV is crazy. I wouldn't take it either, at least not unless it backs up its performance last round tomorrow, but it's a possibility.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/12/2009 9:55:30 PM | message detail
What's up with the update times?

GameFAQs occasionally has problems and spits out updates when it shouldn't, such as throwing one out less than 5 minutes after the previous update.
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creativename | Posted 5/12/2009 9:57:39 PM | message detail
I don't think it's that crazy. I'd probably pick FFIV in a match between the two, but it did do well on FFVI (something around 45%, I think), which is hard to call bad.

Maybe not completely crazy, but it's certainly not something people would favor today in their bracket or oracle to actually happen. FFVI and FF4 aren't going to be too far apart - probably none of the FF games other than VII are all that far apart really, kinda like SMB3/SMB/SMW/SM64.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/12/2009 9:57:45 PM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2009 9:58:12 PM | message detail
Aw yeah stall time
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deadeyedllv | Posted 5/12/2009 9:58:18 PM | message detail
Almost near the end of the first hour and MK starting to wake up. It's a me, Mario! Here we go!
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/12/2009 9:58:48 PM | message detail
LTTP taking off now.

It should be dropping overnight since Zelda is pretty much the most hated Nintendo franchise over in Asia. Zelda is also less popular everywhere else in the world besides the United States. Europe is also going to be supporting Super Mario Kart big time, like what you saw last round with it.
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transience | Posted 5/12/2009 10:00:37 PM | message detail
Europe should rescue SMK. this stall makes it look like the day vote could decide the winner here -- and we saw how that went last time.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2009 10:01:31 PM | message detail
Yeah, Mario Kart should at least attempt some sort of comeback in the morning hours, but we'll see if it's enough. It's already pretty far behind.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:01:53 PM | message detail
Well seeing as were approaching the end of the power hour, i wanted to ask our stat vets about the odds of Super Metroid getting by Mario Kart.

Apparently Prime sucked and the Nes Metroid just wasnt popular, it doesn't really look good for Super Metroid.

If Samus were to pull something off during the night, how much of a vote lead would it need to be able to withstand Karts comeback in the daytime (Granted, anything can happen in these contests, SMW certainly made itself look like a real contender in its 2nd round match)?
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:02:35 PM | message detail
FFVI and FF4 aren't going to be too far apart - probably none of the FF games other than VII are all that far apart really, kinda like SMB3/SMB/SMW/SM64.

I seriously doubt that. What is the evidence for FFIV being close to FFVI? FFI's 41% against SMB3 and 44% on SMW in round 1? FFI and FFIV together just failed to break 41% on SMW yesterday, and I think most people here would still take FFVI over SMW. FFXII is definitely not close to the FFX/VI/VIII group, and depending on how you define "close," FFIX isn't either.
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transience | Posted 5/12/2009 10:04:00 PM | message detail
I'd take FF4 over LA but don't think it's close to FF6. I don't care what the numbers say there, I don't think LA is that strong. nor do I think FF6 is that weak.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2009 10:04:03 PM | message detail
probably none of the FF games other than VII are all that far apart really

Eh, I don't think that's necessarily true. FFVIII looked clearly better than FFIX, and FFXII looked like crap, for example.
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ZFS | Posted 5/12/2009 10:06:01 PM | message detail
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ZFS | Posted 5/12/2009 10:06:40 PM | message detail
Yeah, the whole basis for giving LA a chance there is because of what it did on FFVI. Without seeing that, I'd expect FFIV to beat LA with no problem. Gotta see how that goes tomorrow.

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MetricTrout | Posted 5/12/2009 10:08:58 PM | message detail
FF2 looked absolutely horrible yesterday. I doubt it breaks 40% on SMW in a direct matchup.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/12/2009 10:10:29 PM | message detail
But FFI broke 44% in a much more "normal" match up. Unless you think Battletoads really dragged Mario in the dirt or that the original FF is indirectly stronger than IV by a non-negligible margin, there's no reason to assume it doesn't break 40% in a 1v1.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:10:49 PM | message detail
*sigh* guess i'm being ignored by you guys.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2009 10:10:51 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | Mario World | FFI | FFIV | Mega Man 3 | Demographic
EBV | 51.35% | 12.80% | 24.96% | 10.89% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 53.95% | 12.53% | 23.49% | 10.03% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 51.92% | 13.21% | 25.51% | 9.37% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 51.97% | 13.71% | 25.49% | 8.83% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 53.33% | 12.73% | 24.91% | 9.03% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 56.43% | 12.32% | 22.33% | 8.93% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 55.25% | 13.37% | 21.66% | 9.72% | (22:00-24:00)

Great ASV for Super Mario World and a great Power Hour. The night was its worst time, and the morning was about the same, strangely enough. FFIV did its best work at night and early in the morning. It really suffered during the ASV though. FFI has about the same trends as FFIV. Mega Man 3's best time was the first hour.

Yesterday's stats:

Super Mario World – 50.00%
Final Fantasy IV – 30.63%
Final Fantasy – 19.12%
Mega Man 3 – 14.47%

Lower Half Stats

Super Mario World – 50.00%
Final Fantasy IV (Round 1) – 45.00%
Final Fantasy (Round 1) – 44.54%
Mega Man 3 (Round 1) – 36.96%
Final Fantasy IV (Round 2) – 30.63%
Battletoads – 23.22%
Final Fantasy (Round 2) – 19.12%
River City Ransom (Round 1) – 14.91%
Mega Man 3 (Round 2) – 14.47%
River City Ransom (Round 2) – 10.15%
Prince of Persia – 7.32%
Crystalis (Round 1) – 6.59%
Crystalis (Round 2) – 4.48%

Poor Crystalis.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/12/2009 10:11:03 PM | message detail
Other than the match yesterday (obviously), which should be immediately thrown in the loony bin.
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transience | Posted 5/12/2009 10:12:58 PM | message detail
based on prior trends, Super Metroid wins. but who knows, really.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/12/2009 10:13:12 PM | message detail

From: PegasusLover123 | #473
*sigh* guess i'm being ignored by you guys.


Metroid has this. If you're looking for a percentage, I'd say it has a... 95% chance of winning?
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:13:28 PM | message detail
*comes home*

Hmmm, for once Super Metroid is not crushed by SFF.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/12/2009 10:15:00 PM | message detail
Yep, it's doing a fair bit better than its 2004 attempt at greatness.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/12/2009 10:15:29 PM | message detail
This time last match, Super Metroid was up by about 220 with much higher votals to be split between them due to higher percentages. This time, its like 390 with much lower total votals

this is so over, i can't even describe how over it is
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/12/2009 10:15:51 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3447&region=FI
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Aww yeah baby, Mega Man proves once again that its godliest performances in Europe are in Finland and Sweden.
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/12/2009 10:16:27 PM | message detail
But FFI broke 44% in a much more "normal" match up. Unless you think Battletoads really dragged Mario in the dirt or that the original FF is indirectly stronger than IV by a non-negligible margin, there's no reason to assume it doesn't break 40% in a 1v1.

But there is nothing normal about the first SMW/FF match.

Look at how many votes it drew. 135899, more than any other match in this contest. The only other match that comes close is Ocarina's, and Ocarina's match at least had reason to draw this many votes. SMW/FF does not.

Given that the second round matchup between SMW/FF/FF2 drew a more statistically normal amount of votes, I would conclude that SMW's first match is the outlier and the second match is the norm.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:16:40 PM | message detail
Well looking at the vote totals, I'm not so sure about Super Metroid.

If there's one thing i've learned from this contest is that casual games like Mario Kart can suddenly get a day vote surge which is why i'm not very confident in Metroids current lead.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:18:52 PM | message detail
I'm willing to give all of FF1's votes yesterday to FF4, assume that MM3 hurt SMW by a negligible amount, and all around be extremely generous to FFIV, but once that is done, yes, I trust that match much more than the round 1 match in setting an upper bound to FFIV's strength. And if we're taking round 1 results at face value, do you take SMW over FFVI? Because FF1 and LA managed very similar percentages on them.

And I'd still take FFIV over LA right now, because I don't buy its first round match either, but I really don't understand where all this support for FF4 being strong is coming from in this topic.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:21:12 PM | message detail
this is so over, i can't even describe how over it is

While I'm not as sure as you I have to agree that this looks pretty over.

So how does Sonic 2 hold up against LA? Will it do better than MMX?
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transience | Posted 5/12/2009 10:22:19 PM | message detail
FF4 is the new World of Warcraft. we need to drop this damn game from the discussion.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:22:48 PM | message detail
this is so over, i can't even describe how over it is

It's as over as Crono/Vincent 2008 was after 5 minutes when Crono led by 90 fewer votes than he had the year before.

....Okay, this one is actually over. Don't worry about it!
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ZFS | Posted 5/12/2009 10:26:33 PM | message detail
I don't know that I'd say 'all this support' is more than creative, Yoblazer, and me.

I don't think FFIV is a top 15 game, but I think it's plenty strong. I also don't think Super Mario World is suddenly this powerhouse, top 10 game based on a match full of SFF. It needs to prove it's that strength in a neutral setting, something it didn't do in round 1. Given what we've seen of FF1 in the past, including this year, I'm not ready to undercut it all of a sudden either. We'll see how round 3 goes. If it's as strong as everyone here is saying, FFIV shouldn't be in contention to advance there, just out of being that much stronger. I don't think anyone believes that, though, which is why no one is guaranteeing SMW moves on.

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charmander6000 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:27:47 PM | message detail
FF4 is the new World of Warcraft. we need to drop this damn game from the discussion.

More like FFIV is the new Pokemon RBY.
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ZFS | Posted 5/12/2009 10:30:04 PM | message detail
Yeah, like WoW and Pokemon, it's a better idea to just wait until we see what happens. Everyone's got their opinion out there and no one's gonna change it until they have a reason. I'm fine with waiting until round 3 rolls around. Not that that's necessarily the end all of the discussion since it heavily favors FFIV, but whatever!

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transience | Posted 5/12/2009 10:30:09 PM | message detail
and Pokemon RBY is the new World of Warcraft!

quick FF4/Pokemon RBY/World of Warcraft/Mega Man 42 who wins
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:30:36 PM | message detail
Hm, I suppose what Link's Awakening did to FFVI was just a fluke, while what FF1 got on Mario World is the gospel truth.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:31:16 PM | message detail
Even i do not understand all this talk about FF4 being a strong game here.

Sure i loved the game, but i certainly wouldnt put it at pokemon RBY level.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:31:33 PM | message detail
RBY > FFIV

Nice spike by LttP, seems like 50% is very likely.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/12/2009 10:31:46 PM | message detail
We'll find out how legit LA's performance is tomorrow.

I wonder how FFVI will perform with a sprite picture.
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ZFS | Posted 5/12/2009 10:31:55 PM | message detail
I don't think LA's showing was a fluke. I don't think it's going to do much worse tomorrow than it did in round 2, honestly. We'll see what happens, though.

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transience | Posted 5/12/2009 10:32:14 PM | message detail
51's probably likely. nice show from it, though it's tough to say too much with all this Nintendo.

wanna see round 3 with LA. watch Sonic beat LA, that'd be somethin'.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:32:17 PM | message detail
Well, if SMW is a top 10-ish game, that implies that FFIV is also decently strong, and if SMW is not, that implies that FFIV is not as strong. Now that they've had a match, it's the gap between them that matters, not their absolute strengths.
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Meeks54 | Posted 5/12/2009 10:32:37 PM | message detail

From: PegasusLover123 | #493
Even i do not understand all this talk about FF4 being a strong game here.

Sure i loved the game, but i certainly wouldnt put it at pokemon RBY level.




That makes sense though, as I would only put 4 games at RBY level. But to say FF IV is not strong is just crazy, no it is not top 10 or 15, or probably even 20, but it would destroy most of this bracket none the less.
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SUPER METROID MOTHER****ER
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