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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 6:07:25 PM | message detail
Match pic scares me.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 6:47:29 PM | message detail
So...after seeing Sonic 1 stand up well to Mario 3, anyone think MM3 will stand up to Mario World and can take advantage of the FFI/FFIV split?

Well, I doubt it still wins. SFII can't take advantage of a 55/45 split, so why should MM3 take advantage of a 60/40 split?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/11/2009 6:52:35 PM | message detail
That Mega Man 3 picture is aweful.

It's like, the opposite of the stupid pencil crap, somebody didn't even take the effort to open up a photoshop template and instead cut and pasted a few sprites and the logo into paint on a green background.

People suck.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 5/11/2009 6:55:56 PM | message detail
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Man what's going on

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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 5/11/2009 6:57:02 PM | message detail
So do people still think that SF2 is stronger than MK2?
ChronicBoom | Posted 5/11/2009 6:58:23 PM | message detail
match pic definitely worries me a bit but I'm still confident FF4 pulls it off.

or mm3 comes out of nowhere and everyones face asplodes

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HaRRicH | Posted 5/11/2009 6:59:26 PM | message detail
Well...I'd take it to beat MK2 head-to-head for what it's worth, but I'm not about to act like they aren't rather comparable until further notice. Sonic > SF2 and Sonic 2 > MK2 will make me admit either MK2 > SF2 or Sonic 1 > Sonic 2 eventually, but I REALLY don't want to pick one of them until we see more.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 7:00:21 PM | message detail
I think SFII and MKII are probably relatively close in strength, but I can't see SFII losing that one head-to-head.

Same for Sonic 1/Sonic 2.
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Janus5000 | Posted 5/11/2009 7:00:40 PM | message detail
Gah, after seeing the original SMB and Sonic games perform almost on the level of the accepted 'strongest' games of their eras, FF scared me in this match (especially considering FFIV isn't the strongest game from its generation). That pic doesn't help. I really want to be confident in FFIV right now but augh
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 7:02:01 PM | message detail
I think someone else brought up a good point. Mario 1, Zelda 1, and Sonic 1 get a lot of respect for starting the series and they were the first of the series many played. You can't say that for FF. For most people on this site, Final Fantasy started with FFVII.
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/11/2009 7:05:33 PM | message detail
It will be interesting to see how FF and FF2 split. It would have to be almost right down the middle for Mega Man to advance, though.

It is interesting to note that FF was in the pack with the highest votals, while FF2's pack was one of the lowest. I think that they are almost equal indirectly, but I still see around a 60-40 split in FF2's favor here.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 5/11/2009 7:06:05 PM | message detail
You can't say that for FF. For most people on this site, Final Fantasy started with FFVII.

The first 3D games from those series are all widely respected as well.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/11/2009 7:08:56 PM | message detail
c'mon massive FF split letting mega man through
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ZFS | Posted 5/11/2009 7:09:34 PM | message detail
That's because FFIV has MM3 while FF1 had Super Mario World.

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MetricTrout | Posted 5/11/2009 7:14:54 PM | message detail
I am hoping Mega Man 3 advances. It is far ahead of either of these Final Fantasy games in terms of quality.

Plus, this is the third match my bracket has gotten wrong in a row. But these matches are inconsequential compared to this one. It will all be worth it if Mega Man 3 advances.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 7:20:33 PM | message detail
The first 3D games from those series are all widely respected as well.

Eh, Sonic Adventure would be pretty weak, I think.

But who you got between Mario 64 and Mario 1?
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transients | Posted 5/11/2009 7:21:36 PM | message detail
time for some FF1fear

Is that all you've got, you vexatious queef?
I'll knock you down! I'll make you wish you would have chosen [THIEF]
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 7:23:02 PM | message detail
Mario 64. I can't see Mario 1 holding up to 3, World, or 64.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/11/2009 7:25:05 PM | message detail
I've said since last round that FF > FFIV! We saw FFIV get 59% on Mega Man 3, and Tetris get 55% on Mega Man 2. I've gotta think that Final Fantasy beats Tetris with more than 55.5%, which is what is implied FFIV gets if MM2 = MM3.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/11/2009 7:26:46 PM | message detail
I doubt anyone questions that FF1 is stronger indirectly (it obviously is), but this may be a case of rSFF.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 7:27:54 PM | message detail
I think MM3 may have overperformed a bit last round. If you didn't want to vote for Final Fantasy, what else was there?
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/11/2009 7:28:50 PM | message detail
I think Final Fantasy may have overperformed a bit last round. If you didn't want to vote for Mario World, what else was there?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 7:30:08 PM | message detail
Touche. Doesn't really matter to me though because I've got MM3 advancing here, so...!
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transients | Posted 5/11/2009 7:33:20 PM | message detail
this isn't a stat matchup, it's a SFF one. it just depends where the fanbase decides to side, because I don't think they're much different strength-wise.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/11/2009 7:34:38 PM | message detail
And the fanbase typically doesn't side with the weaker entry...or else it wouldn't be the weaker entry. Unless you're one of those Samus > Mario people!
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creativename | Posted 5/11/2009 7:36:00 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/images/bge09/bge09-36.jpg

ohmygodwhatisthat

I smell the acrid odor of my FF4>LoZ bracket going up in smoke.

Whoever made that FF4 pic needs to be dragged into the street and shot

I mean I figured FF would have to have the pic the advantage but whatthehell
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creativename | Posted 5/11/2009 7:37:20 PM | message detail
And the fanbase typically doesn't side with the weaker entry...or else it wouldn't be the weaker entry. Unless you're one of those Samus > Mario people!

Well yeah. Why would anyone argue otherwise.

Whoever is stronger between FF1 and FF4 will win...pic is the only thing that might switch things around. And pics can especially make a difference with nostalgia powered stuff (e.g. PIkachu in that one pic)
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/11/2009 7:37:36 PM | message detail
Because I was bored, The Top 20 Best/Worst Board Votes Of Round 1, following a Starting % / Finishing % / overall percentage increase or decrease from the start to the end of the match,format.

The Top 20 Best Board Votes:
1. Phoenix Wright (28.93% / 11.40% / -60.59%)
2. Kirby Super Star (25.83% / 11.06% / -57.18%)
3. The Oregon Trail (38.16% / 21.42% / -43.87%)
4. Duck Hunt (18.82% / 10.61% / -34.62%)
5. Mike Tyson's Punch Out!! (31.61% / 17.87% / -43.47%)
6. Contra (21.85% / 12.70% / -41.88%)
7. Pokemon G/S (51.69% / 32.54% / 37.05%)
8. Metroid Prime (33.05% / 22.50% / -31.92%)
9. Portal (35.19% / 24.14% / -31.4%)
10. R1 Ninja Gaiden (18.24% / 12.58% / -31.03%)
11. Suikoden (9.71% / 6.87% / -29.25%)
12. SMW2: Yoshi's Island (33.61% / 23.81% / -29.16%)
13. R1 Monkey Island (13.73% / 9.73% / -29.13%)
14. Donkey Kong Country (25.36% / 18.01% / -28.98%)
15. Tales of Symphonia (35.19% / 25% / -28.96%)
16. Star Fox 64 (19.42% / 14.51% / -25.28%)
17. Metal Gear Solid 2 (37.17% / 27.84% / -25.1%)
18. Super Metroid (46.85% / 35.29% / -24.64%)
19. Paper Mario (18.64% / 14.07% / -24.52%)
20. Doom (23.19% / 17.54% / -24.36%)

The Top 20 Worst Board Votes:
1. Pong (3.95% / 16.45% / +316.46%)
2. Deus Ex (2.54% / 7.67% / +201.96%)
3. Perfect Dark (4.72% / 11.71% / +148.09%)
4. World of Warcraft (12.35% / 24.02% / +94.49%)
5. Streets of Rage II (4.35% / 8.21% / +88.64%)
6. Call of Duty 4 (22.12% / 35.79% / +61.80%)
7. Super Mario Kart (19.82% / 31.26% / +57.72%)
8. Resident Evil 2 (15% / 23.07% / +53.8%)
9. Grand Theft Auto III (14.61% / 22.11% / +51.33%)
10. Metal Gear Solid (24.58% / 37.08% / +50.85%)
11. Grand Theft Auto IV (17.76% / 26.2% / +48.86%)
12. Silent Hill 2 (6.19% / 9.03% / +45.88%)
13. Symphony of the Night (15.83% / 22.91% / +44.73%)
14. Oblivion (18.52% / 26.79% / +44.65%)
15. Vice City (17.80% / 24.48% / +37.53%)
16. Bioshock (16.67% / 22.79% / +36.71%)
17. Final Fantasy (28.06% / 37.76% / +34.57%)
18. Chrono Trigger (41.86% / 56.26% / +34.4%)
19. Final Fantasy VII (41.75% / 55.05% / +31.86%)
20. Morrowind (13.27% / 17.21% / +29.69%)

I probably missed some, of course.

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ZenOfThunder | Posted 5/11/2009 7:39:56 PM | message detail
Poor Snake losing to the pokemons
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ZFS | Posted 5/11/2009 7:39:56 PM | message detail
FF and FFIV shouldn't be much different strength-wise. There's no real reason to expect there to be a whole lot of difference there. What matters more is that most people by and large prefer FFIV to the original. Forget the meaningless stats comparisons -- the pic might be all FF needs to win this. I made the pic and I almost feel compelled to vote for it!

FFIV pic who made this

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/11/2009 7:40:13 PM | message detail
a game board 8 got into the contest had the second worst board vote eh? lol
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/11/2009 7:42:57 PM | message detail
And of course, that list doesn't factor in bracket voting, bandwagoning, joke voting, ect. All the little outside factors besides who B8 likes the most (hello there MGS at 10th worst).

But it's still interesting stuff!

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MetricTrout | Posted 5/11/2009 7:46:45 PM | message detail
I guarantee Roller Coaster Tycoon would have had an awesome board vote had it got in instead of Deus Ex.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/11/2009 7:47:48 PM | message detail
Considering Pokemon G/S was in that match...no.

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MetricTrout | Posted 5/11/2009 7:51:06 PM | message detail
Oh, right.

Well, better than Deus Ex, at least.
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creativename | Posted 5/11/2009 7:53:09 PM | message detail
8. Metroid Prime (33.05% / 22.50% / -31.92%)

Metroid Prime=joke entrant confirmed.

Course that's nothing we didn't know already.
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Master Moltar | Posted 5/11/2009 7:55:20 PM | message detail

From: RPGuy96 | #225
And the fanbase typically doesn't side with the weaker entry...or else it wouldn't be the weaker entry. Unless you're one of those Samus > Mario people!


you'll see, once she stomps seph you all will have to accept this as fact!
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/11/2009 7:56:45 PM | message detail
Kirby stomped Sephiroth, I think the bar has been raised in that regard!
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/11/2009 8:07:58 PM | message detail
Match XXXVI: Super Mario World vs. Final Fantasy vs. Final Fantasy II (IV) vs. Mega Man 3

Last Round:

Super Mario World – 45.78%
Final Fantasy – 36.76%
Battletoads – 13.85%
Prince of Persia – 3.62%

Final Fantasy II (IV) – 50.65%
Mega Man 3 – 35.29%
River City Ransom – 10.06%
Crystalis – 4.00%

Analysis

You know your first round opponents were weak when the lowest percent of an advancing game still breaks 35%. This match is important in that the results here will tell us who the favourite is to advance out of the division along with Super Mario Bros. 3. This match also features two Final Fantasy games that tend to get shunned in favourite Final Fantasy polls in favour of Final Fantasy VI.

With fanbase overlap there’s nothing stopping Super Mario World from taking first in this match. Last round Super Mario World performed about expected which means next round it will be on the hot seat when it goes against Super Mario Bros. 3, especially if one of the Final Fantasy titles shows up.

You know had this been a three-way or the fourth game was something unrelated I would have given Mega Man 3 a realistic chance in this match. Still even with those hypothetical advantages Mega Man 3’s chances would have been slim, with Super Mario World they are almost non-existent. Even if Super Mario World doesn’t crush Mega Man 3 the LFF will be enough to prevent it from winning. Mega Man 3 could avoid last if the Final Fantasy fanbase favours one game, but that’s the best it could do.

The real match here is between the two Final Fantasy titles and I don’t really know who will win. Final Fantasy IV has the advantage of being a game that still has a lot of fans. I’m not saying that Final Fantasy doesn’t, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a rather large portion of those votes were from franchise voters. Also based on favourite Final Fantasy polls IV tends to rank higher than the original though when the two added up together equal to 10% you can’t really give those polls much credit.

The advantage Final Fantasy has is on top of its original strength it will also have larger franchise support than Final Fantasy IV. The only franchise voters that would go IV over I are the ones that support VI and want to keep in the SNES era. Still having a smaller fanbase and franchise voters that could easily abandon it could prove to be fatal. Also I’s performance against Super Mario World was more impressive than IV’s against Mega Man 3.

At the beginning of the contest I made a hierarchy of Final Fantasy games and while I always thought IV and I were close I always threw my support towards Final Fantasy IV and I see no reason why I should stop on the eve of its big match. It would be interesting if Mega Man 3 is able to keep close though that would be asking for too much.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Super Mario World > Final Fantasy II (IV)

charmander6000’s Prediction: Super Mario World – 38.42%, Final Fantasy II (IV) – 23.42%, Final Fantasy – 21.18%, Mega Man 3 – 16.98%

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 8:12:04 PM | message detail
FFIV pic who made this

Probably MK8!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/11/2009 8:13:01 PM | message detail
I can't believe so many people are siding with FFIV. I have it in my bracket and I've pretty much given up all hope for it.

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Master Moltar | Posted 5/11/2009 8:17:49 PM | message detail
To be fair, I've gone from thinking FFIV wins this easily to it winning the split by a few percent.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 8:18:59 PM | message detail
I still think FFIV wins here just because I can't see the majority siding with FFI. FFIV > FFI feels like a common sense pick.

So I guess I'm going with the "It's FRIGGIN' Final Fantasy IV!" factor here.
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ZFS | Posted 5/11/2009 8:21:46 PM | message detail
The pic aside, there's not a whole lot of reason to side with FF1 here, I don't think. But we'll see how the split goes soon.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/11/2009 8:23:54 PM | message detail
I'm mainly basing it off that I don't consider FF4 very strong. I honestly can't see it putting up 40% on SMB3 in 2004 (maybe now with SMB3 being obviously weaker). FF4 has a bit to deal with also that SMW is there... another big SNES game.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/11/2009 8:24:33 PM | message detail
I'll take FF1's 44.54% on SMW over FFIV's 58.93% on MM3 anyday, considering the latter doesn't put FFIV that far above Tetris.

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therealmnm | Posted 5/11/2009 8:25:22 PM | message detail
I think FFIV DS puts it over the edge, if it ends up being close at all. I just don't see a majority of FF fans siding with the original. And if it's somebody who doesn't really care a lot for either, but favor the original, there are two other strong options in SMW and MM3.

FFIV not only has the fanbase from the SNES version, but also Final Fantasy Chronicles > Final Fantasy Origin in terms of popularity. FFIV Advance probably is on par with Dawn of Souls. But the clincher is FFIV DS almost being a million seller (lol vgcharts). At the very least, it put FFIV on the map far more than any pre-FFVII had been in recent years.
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ZFS | Posted 5/11/2009 8:25:43 PM | message detail
Would you seriously struggle to pick between the two, or think Tetris stood a decent chance to win that? Because I sure wouldn't.

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ZFS | Posted 5/11/2009 8:26:47 PM | message detail
Not that this is necessarily a battle of indirect strength either. This is all about which game of the fanbase prefers, and anyone familiar with that fanbase knows that FFIV wins out on this. But then again, FF's pic is such a huge advantage over FFIV that it could probably swing a number of votes and win anyway.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 8:26:49 PM | message detail
Yeah, I don't make much of these direct comparisons between MM2 and MM3. Can't see FFIV struggling to beat Tetris there because it's not like Tetris is some powerhouse of a game.
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