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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 711

transients | Posted 5/11/2009 3:08:20 PM | message detail
yeah I'm with Leonhart on this one. the only truly weird one was the Kirby one and he lead Cloud for an hour. the end of the contests in fourways just seem completely whack, nothing like what they're supposed to be. I wouldn't put that one on Sonic.

the only other one you can really argue is Zidane > Shadow, and I'd be fine with just throwing Shadow under the bus there. he did have a particularly poorly received title, not to mention the general decline of Sonic over the years.
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/11/2009 3:08:32 PM | message detail
Remember, Auron beat Sonic handily to the point where isn't even debatable that Auron would beat Sonic one on one. Sonic is weak now. Frankly, I'm surprised he's still as strong as he is. He hasn't produced a decent game in over 10 years and even those games from the Genesis aren't really that fun. Sonic should be, in theory, glorified fodder.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 3:09:13 PM | message detail
Yeah, remember that Shadow looked like crap against PYRAMID HEAD in 2007, so I'm inclined just to say he's weak now.
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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 5/11/2009 3:12:16 PM | message detail
He hasn't produced a decent game in over 10 years and even those games from the Genesis aren't really that fun. Sonic should be, in theory, glorified fodder

AUGH AUGH. This is the person that the stat topics loves?
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 3:12:26 PM | message detail
Alright, I'm not going to even dispute this (despite maybe arguing that Sonic seems to look even worse when thrown up against Nintendo), but we all seem to be in agreement that this is the first Sonic entry in the last three years that hasn't ultimately looked like crap. Now, I'm sitting here wondering why, and I think it's gotta go beyond just "SFII sucks that bad," because even SFII is holding up better than some people expected.

What I am trying to say is that this is a VERY DISAPPOINTING PERFORMANCE FROM MARIO 3, AND I WANT THE GUY WHO PEGGED IT AT 60% TO ADMIT IT.
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creativename | Posted 5/11/2009 3:13:14 PM | message detail
Man, this is quite the mediocre performance from SMB3 here. I'm surprised.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 5/11/2009 3:14:43 PM | message detail
Sonic is leeching Mario, isn't it obvious?
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SmurfFAQs | Posted 5/11/2009 3:14:56 PM | message detail

From: eaglesarebeasts | #154
He hasn't produced a decent game in over 10 years and even those games from the Genesis aren't really that fun. Sonic should be, in theory, glorified fodder

AUGH AUGH. This is the person that the stat topics loves?


hochiminh is comic relief, kinda like in the way everyone enjoys red sox's crono/vincent comparisons. I wouldn't advise taking either seriously. <_<
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Yesmar | Posted 5/11/2009 3:15:10 PM | message detail
Yeah, remember that Shadow looked like crap against PYRAMID HEAD in 2007, so I'm inclined just to say he's weak now.

Why do people keep bringing up this match for Shadow?! EVERYONE looked like crap against Pyramid Head in that match. Why do people always fixate on Shadow in it? The weird one there was definitely PH, not Shadow. Shadow didn't do any worse against Auron than Tails did in '03, which is good enough to be above the fodder line by a very safe margin.
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ZFS | Posted 5/11/2009 3:16:48 PM | message detail
I don't think this is an awful showing from Mario 3, but it's not anywhere near impressive. 60% was never gonna happen, but the fifth strongest game on the site not being able to clear 50% on this pack is probably disappointing. Doesn't matter too much in the long run, though.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/11/2009 3:17:01 PM | message detail
Considering Mario World got 70% against Sonic 2...this is definitely a disappointing result for Mario 3.

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transients | Posted 5/11/2009 3:19:52 PM | message detail
60% is an awful prediction for Mario 3. SFF'd Sonic 1 > SFF'd Donkey Kong Country and SF2 > Doom. if Mario 3 got 60% you'd be calling for it to rock LTTP.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 3:20:32 PM | message detail
What I am trying to say is that this is a VERY DISAPPOINTING PERFORMANCE FROM MARIO 3, AND I WANT THE GUY WHO PEGGED IT AT 60% TO ADMIT IT.

NEVER

Shadow didn't do any worse against Auron than Tails did in '03, which is good enough to be above the fodder line by a very safe margin.

But the fact that Shadow did the same against Auron as Tails IS bad. The guy was supposed to be on the same level as Knuckles and went 50/50 with Tidus in 2004. Tidus owned the mess out of Tails last year.

But like I said, you can't draw anything conclusive about Sonic against Nintendo in this format because Sonic is the ONLY character in the last couple of years from the Sonic series NOT to face a Nintendo character in this format, and the only one he's faced was a bandwagon-boosted Kirby.
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transients | Posted 5/11/2009 3:20:40 PM | message detail
but yeah, this isn't a great result. I thought 50% was a fine result but Mario 3's gone a little bit under that. I wouldn't call it disasterous or anything though.
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xp1337 | Posted 5/11/2009 3:24:22 PM | message detail
Not to try and drag up relatively old stuff, but since I was gone:

Now, Sonic 3 and Knuckles wouldn't beat Mario 3 if it lost to Super Metroid and Super Mario Kart, would it?

First, I was joking. That was why there was a >_> in that post.

Second, Sonic 3 & Knuckles did not lose to Super Metroid and Sumper Mario Kart. Sonic 3 did. The joke is/was that Sonic 3 & Knuckles is far stronger than Sonic 3 alone, and that it should have been included in the bracket in the place of Sonic 3 and that it wasn't is completely to blame for Sonic 3's horrible performance.
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xp1337 | Posted 5/11/2009 3:26:08 PM | message detail
While I wasn't serious when I was calling for SMB3 to push 60%, I had been hoping for 55%. That it's under 50% is disappointing to me, but that could be because with so many routs left and right, I've just started expecting them out of habit.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/11/2009 3:28:51 PM | message detail
The funny thing is, you COULD make a good case for S3&K being much stronger than S3 by its lonesome, seeing how Sonic and Knuckles was the best game of the original 2D installments by far. Who knows if it'd perform better than S3? :p
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 3:29:29 PM | message detail
I'd guarantee S3&K being stronger than S3 by a good margin.
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xp1337 | Posted 5/11/2009 3:30:16 PM | message detail
Actually, I was almost going to ask if anyone thought S3&K would have any strength of note beyond just Sonic 3, or if the idea that someone would vote for S3&K but not Sonic 3 was just absurd. However, I didn't want to derail the conversation.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 5/11/2009 3:30:33 PM | message detail
This performance along with SMB1 doing so well has me really worried about SMB3 making the final now. I'm still confident that it won't have any problem getting passed LttP with LoZ in the poll, but it's starting to look like it won't even get there. I'd consider LoZ and FF1/4 the favorites to advance over the Mario games at the moment.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/11/2009 3:31:48 PM | message detail
Hmm...this may be a dumb question, but the Stats Topic archives only go up to 686. I thought each topic was archived after it locked but before it purged?...

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ZFS | Posted 5/11/2009 3:33:17 PM | message detail
S3&K would be stronger, but it's hard to imagine it'd be by a significant amount. I don't think the result in round 1 changes, anyway.

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charmander6000 | Posted 5/11/2009 3:37:57 PM | message detail
I'm assuming TRE hasn't had time to update them.
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/11/2009 3:40:17 PM | message detail
Yeah, I have SMB3 in the finals but if we get SMB/LoZ/SMB3/FF4, it is looking quite possible we get FF4 > LoZ. If MM3 wins tomorrow though, SMB3 is safe for the finals.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/11/2009 3:41:26 PM | message detail
If FF1 beats FF4, then I think SMB1 can beat SMB3. Respect for the original game can go a long way.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 3:44:20 PM | message detail
I'd expect SMB3 to fire an 80/20 (or worse) beatdown before I'd expect a Mario 1 win.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/11/2009 3:49:59 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #161
Considering Mario World got 70% against Sonic 2...this is definitely a disappointing result for Mario 3.


It's getting to the point where I think Sonic 1 is the strongest one, oddly.
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/11/2009 3:55:18 PM | message detail
Makes sense Sonic 1 is the strongest one. I mean, the original Donkey Kong Country is the strongest DKC game.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 3:57:44 PM | message detail
I'd buy it. I've actually played through the DKC games and know about their impact, so I figured anyone arguing for Diddy's game to be stronger than the original was probably going to be incorrect. I know zilch about Sonic's older games, so I just went with the overwhelming majority opinion that 2 would be the strongest (or at least stronger than 1). It also was the one that got into the first bracket and I think it was higher on the list, so that certainly helped a bit.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 4:05:15 PM | message detail
S3&K would be stronger, but it's hard to imagine it'd be by a significant amount.

I'd disagree with you here, but I blame Bacon for us not getting to find out!

If FF1 beats FF4, then I think SMB1 can beat SMB3. Respect for the original game can go a long way.

Bad correlation. That's like saying FFI could beat FFVII if you're comparing Mario 1 to Mario 3.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 5/11/2009 4:07:51 PM | message detail
It's getting to the point where I think Sonic 1 is the strongest one, oddly.

It is. Sonic 1 > Sonic 2 > Sonic 3/Knuckles > 3D Sonics. I thought Sonic 2 would be the strongest, but I guess not.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 4:39:05 PM | message detail
SFII under 30% on Mario 3 now.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/11/2009 4:42:20 PM | message detail
Sonic 1 gonna finish about 32% on Mario Bros 3 here. Which is about what, 36-37% on Super Mario World?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/11/2009 5:19:36 PM | message detail
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/11/2009 5:23:14 PM | message detail
Man, I had lost all faith in FF4 *before* seeing that pic.

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Master Moltar | Posted 5/11/2009 5:24:09 PM | message detail
oh geez

SMW > FF confirmed FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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ZFS | Posted 5/11/2009 5:25:09 PM | message detail
Well, FF1 definitely gets the pic advantage here. What an awful FFIV pic. Not that the actual scene is bad (it's something everybody should know), but holy small and blurred.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 5:26:40 PM | message detail
Awful background for MM3's pic, but yeah, great pics for SMW and FFI.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/11/2009 5:27:07 PM | message detail
FF has THE BLACK MAGE! HE CASTS THE SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!

...Yeah, no way FF4 wins this. It'd better pray Zombie SFIV makes it instead, it will have a better shot. :P
RPGuy96 | Posted 5/11/2009 5:27:21 PM | message detail
MM3 would have a great pic if the background wasn't just green. Awesome FF and SMW pics.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/11/2009 5:29:31 PM | message detail
the mm3 pic looks like something someone who doesnt know how to use paintshop would make
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transients | Posted 5/11/2009 5:29:36 PM | message detail
FF1 has a natural pic advantage. you can't find a bad one.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/11/2009 5:29:44 PM | message detail
Oh hello Leon
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 5:31:27 PM | message detail
Yeah, I just don't understand why someone would use a plain green background for MM3's pic. There are PLENTY of backgrounds to use!
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/11/2009 5:31:46 PM | message detail
"FF1 has a natural pic advantage. you can't find a bad one."

If you put Black Belt into the picture, FF loses and garners only 3% of the vote. You can bet on that.
KamikazePotato | Posted 5/11/2009 5:32:20 PM | message detail
Actually, FF1 may have the pic disadvantage.

Fighting any boss without a White Mage in the party? Good luck with that!

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transients | Posted 5/11/2009 5:32:45 PM | message detail
If you put Black Belt into the picture, FF loses and garners only 3% of the vote. You can bet on that.

what

black belt > thief forever
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 5:33:19 PM | message detail
Fighting any boss without a White Mage in the party? Good luck with that!

4 Fighters = Who needs healing?
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ZFS | Posted 5/11/2009 5:33:32 PM | message detail
Haha. I had a White Mage as the fourth, but figured it was more important to cut her off in favor of Black Mage! Shoulda restarted and made it Fighter, Black Mage, White Mage.

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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/11/2009 5:47:50 PM | message detail
Actually, it could have used some Red Mage, but still, hella good pic for FF. And since Black Belt isn't there ruining the pic, it's pretty much perfect.